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@awp69 They had the money to do that 2 decades ago. The problem is they are incapable, especially consistently putting out great games.

Slimy Phil and Co getting more money is a great thing for you now somehow???? Why didn't you ask them to start bringing Xbox games to PlayStation 10 years ago if you're honest?

@Millionski Its Xbox, its a 2025 to 2030 lineup lol. This time last Avowed was DEFINITELY at 2024 lineup game. Nope.

Fable will likely not launch in 2025.

@Coletrain It's fine, Avowed will get 60fps after launch as an "extra". So it won't be embarrassing that series s' 60fps update comes even later. It would do nothing but damage to the brand if 60fps is missing on only series s at launch OR if a 60fps version of Avowed for series s is available day one and how horrible this is going to look.

What I just described is EXACTLY what historicially happened with Starfield and it applies here too.
None of this would apply to Avowed if series s didn't exist, including the delay to 2025.... and all the other 2019/2020 games that still won't be out in 2025.

They could have done it the past 2 decades since they owned the IP during that time and MOST CERTAINLY ALWAYS had the money to pull off such a thing.

They can't and don't know the first thing on how, that is the ongoing, long term, problem.

@donv2135 And "only 4 games" and "no Indiana Jones" for PS5. Things change for Xbox every 2 hours lol.

@fatpunkslim Xbox is the only console that is dropping in sales 2 AND 3 years in a row. Stop trying to act like everybody is in the same sinking ship Xbox hardware sales are in right now.

People said the same thing about Hellblade 2 last year. But it ended up being a Reality Check Direct.

Hellblade 2 was ACTUALLY revealed to be "as long as the first game", so this confirmed it wasn't a God of Ware level of a game and that it was clearly AA (nobody knew this before this point no matter how many people claim now that it was always AA).
This also revealed that its irrelevant that Xbox bought them and their money didn't make the game a bigger budgeted affair (another claim people kept guessing about the game).
It was revealed it wouldn't have a physical edition........ on a game that turns out it would ACTUALLY fit on a single 50gb bluray disc, the only disc format series x supports for games.
It was yet another 1st party Xbox game with no 60fps option for series x owners....... because series s exists.

Overall it was a pretty big downer for the game and a lot of people were put OFF the game more after these revelations....... definitely given by how it under performed.

"It should be a good show" but you know it won't be, there certainly is nothing historical to prove otherwise. Hi-FI Rush anyone??? and the state of how Xbox treated that franchise and studio beyond the Developer Direct that game got?

@awp69 Oh they do. They give out loads of convulated, nonsensical scores all time and its embarrassing. They remind me of IGN giving a 10/10 to worst in the franchise Skyward Sword and then giving the same 10/10 to the next game BOTW. Its like, okay, so BOTW is a 5/10 then lol... or BOTW is a 15/10 if SS was a 10?

It diminishes credibility FOREVER. If you like the game, then just stick with that... but don't try to make it out like it getting a 5/5 from notoriously WORST at game reviewing websites out there means something.

And so was Starfield "well received" on its first 2 weeks of slimy Phil, HEAVILY controlled, less than 90 reviews allowed... score. Lets wait for the consensus from real gamers.

@awp69 Why are you shocked about Eurogamer's score? These are the people that said "meh" to GOTY nominated, critically acclaimed, 8 million selling in year one, Horizon Zero Dawn.
Then a month later they "Recommended" you go out and buy Mass Effect Andromeda, a STUDIO/FRANCHISE KILLING game, that everyone forgot and wanted to forget about, before 2017 was over.

Their reviews are the most horrendous and games industry damaging out there. And now you know.

I've been saying this the past month or two now so here I go again.

Last year, Starfield and Forza 8 launched on Xbox. BOTH games came in at launch over 100gbs in size. Xbox series x only uses bluray discs that are single layer 50gb in size. These games came on a single disc. A download from Xbox’s servers, is needed to play these games and its impossible without it. Its not even on the front of the case, its in small text on the back of the game case.

And then slimy Phil and Sarah talk during the Xbox “business update” last Feb saying how they are committed to game preservation? Lies.

And don’t say its the same on PlayStation, this year, GOTY contender, FFVII Rebirth can ONE HUNDRED PERCENT be installed on an offline PS5 console. The game is 140gbs and came on two 100gb bluray discs. Even recently Black Myth Wukong was just over 100gbs when it launched. With the patches since launch, they managed to get the game under 100gbs for the recent physical release.

Its very likely Xbox won’t ever get a physical version of Wukong because
1 There are only 8 million series x consoles sold in 4 years
2 The game will be way over 100gbs on Xbox because of no kraken compression
3 The game will not fit on a 50gb bluray and it isn’t feasible for them to bother with a three multi-disc release because of step 1.
4 going from the last step, why would the developers of Black Myth Wukong be expected to do multi discs when Xbox won't even do it with their own 1st party games. I say this because I saw Xbox fans going after Remedy for the physical 100gbs sized Alan Wake 2 not fitting on a 50gb bluray disc...... like its a shock it doesn't lol.

Go to the website DoesItPlay and they will give you all the details and updates on different games' physical releases and if its all there on a disc, and if it isn’t and how pointless that release is then. Just recently Stalker 2 is 150gbs on Xbox and still came on a 50gb bluray disc lol. And again, don’t bring up PS, I just gave an example of literally the biggest game this year and how it runs offline on PS.

FINALLY people are starting to talk about physical releases and Xbox. Why did it take so long?

What happened to all the people online saying this was a guaranteed GOTY level game and all thanks being fully funded by Xbox (a 3 month timed deal fully funded this???)?

Seriously, where did you all go?

Ignoring all the problems with this being games that "you own" which most people don't do with game pass ultimate..... is it still limited at 1080p though, which is brought down even more by the fact its the series s versions of all these games that are being streamed.... so like 600p resolution of a low graphics version of Hellblade 2 at 28fps............ WITH Xbox cloud's notorious input lag.

@Fiendish-Beaver Then you are missing the entire problem with Avowed and and Xbox's studio development this gen.

Avowed is 100% getting a 60fps update after launch. But it won't be advertised and it won't be on series s right away either. It CAN'T be 60fps before launch because then series s has to get that option too.
But if a 60fps mode was on both consoles right away, what would be the first thing that would be plastered all over the Internet day one? The series s version's 60fps mode and what it looks like running at that, and it will be horrendous. It will be the detriment of the game.
The series x version at 60fps will probably be decent, it'll be compromised like most 60fps modes are..... but again, it can't happen right way because series s exists.

You can't be okay with this. Any playing on Avowed you are going to do when it launches, you aren't going to go back and spend even half of what you did when the 60fps update drops like a fart in the wind, and it's only an update so it just counts as an "extra" at this point.... that's why they can do it then. Like with Starfield, NOBODY CARES 6 months later.

And all of this wouldn't happen, if series s wasn't a thing. Don't sit there and pretend there isn't a 60fps mode coming for this cartoony Unreal Engine game. And stop pretending you're okay with this too. You're okay with it because Xbox gave you no choice, and 4 years into the gen, conditioned you to accept it by now.

Gotta keep those subscribers subbed. Just be honest next time though.

It also gets a 5 day early access version too. No doubt just in time, for the 1 minute before reviews go live, like with Starfield.
And it will probably get get the slimy Phil special of 50 carefully selected reviews that can only be published for the first 2 weeks of launch, again, EXACTLY like with Starfield.

Somebody, please give this man another gaming award.

Just don't talk about series s lol.

Because then you would have to talk about series s, eh slimy Phil?

@Bigmanfan It's exactly the the point when people continue to say, like they always did, that Xbox consoles are doing terrible for a long time now.

@shoeses So remasters would be good in this instant then?

@Nexozi Which is weird because by the time it comes out, well over 200 games will likely officially support PS5 Pro and thousand others will get the treatment from the console level boost mode.

Not sure that 😂 was warranted.

And anyway, won't Indiana Jones utilise the PS5 Pro too before Ghost of Yotei, or will Ghost also be released before, January 2021 announced, Indy? 😅 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
^_^

@HonestHick The plan was for a new Halo game at this gen's launch too. They did the same thing in 2018, talking engine improvements and lots of PR fluff.
Slimy Phil even said he couldn't wait for everyone to see the gameplay that was about to be revealed. THIS gameplay reveal was the biggest disaster in gaming history for the Halo franchise.

Think about it, ALL they did was show the game..... and that ended up being the problem. Fool you once, shame on them, fool you multiple times, shame on you.

"Loads of talent on using UE5". Are you for real??? Those devs are busy making their own games that are taking half decades to come out. And this game will be coming to series s like Infinite is on Xbone. They can't make a new game in 2028, for a platform with a console install base of zero.

Because of the lies in 2020.
https://x.com/aarongreenberg/status/1258378640087060481

Aaron Greenburg talking about series x, "60fps will be the standard output, but the architecture allows us to support up to 120fps."

Series s is why cartoony downgraded Avowed will not be 30fps when it launches next year. OF COURSE it will get a 60fps performance mode after launch for series x and then even later for series s.

But the series s version won't be ready for launch, and it's going to look horrendous. They can't release a series x only 60fps mode on a 1st party game, because then they lied in 2020 about series having the exact same visuals as series x games but "only the resolution will be different".

Plus, before release, they CAN NOT show a 60fps version of the game running on series s. It will be the laughing stock of the games industry and the game will burn to the ground before it even launches.

To sum up
1, The 60fps has to come later as an "extra" feature, long after anyone cares about it.
2, Series x can't launch with a 60fps performance mode if series s doesn't have one.
3, series s 60fps mode footage at launch/prelaunch will be the detriment to the game's marketing.
This is exactly what happened with Starfield's 60fps modes after reassuring from the devs the consoles couldn't do it.

What a horrible predicament to be in. And these are 1st party games. Why would 3rd party studios want to have to deal with this complete and utter mess???
And remember, like a lot of their games, this game is still coming nearly half a decade by the time it's going to launch.

Is that a good and logical sound way of looking at why a developer would want to avoid making games for Xbox this gen? Or will yous just flag it as "trolling" or ignore all these carefully explained points?

@BIG3 What was crazy about the last showcase? More games announced with no release dates/years like Gears or the games from 2019/2020 still with no release dates?
And the one game that was "2024" Avowed, is 2025 now.

That is crazy. Imagine if Demon's Souls, Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart, Spiderman Miles Morales, Horizon Forbidden West and GT7, weren't released yet........ no wait, had NO release dates since 2020.
I would've abandoned PlayStation long ago.

I stand by it today, I have no idea why anybody thinks that was a "great" Xbox showcase. Everything they needed to do at that event, didn't happen.

@Gkobz Exactly. Imagine, the hype for 2 months of them being at Gamescom and all anyone remembers and talked about was Indiana Jones for PS5.

@cragis0001 I mean what does something like that entail? Wouldn't an announcement at Gamescom have been better?
Rebirth was only a 3 month timed deal. Since May 29th an Xbox version could be announced, FFXVI since last December, Remake even longer ago. What IS the hold up? Bad communication from slimy Phil not replying to emails???

If Crisis Core Reunion had sold well on Xbox back in 2021, you wouldn't have to be crossing your fingers like this. But it didn't, it was ABYSMAL sales.

Can't wait for slimy Phil to put his "no regret" stamp and sign off on it... exactly like he did 2 days before THAT Halo Infinite first gameplay reveal. THAT reveal that the franchise has never recovered from since.

Maybe get rid of Phil before starting any more Halo projects?

Legend? The guy who did those staged interviews with Xbox architects in 2020, getting them to say that series s will only have lower resolutions but have the same visual set as series x games? That legend?

A legendary con man.

@EthanMustDie Who said solid 30fps? It's a 30fps target. Never jump to conclusions

In January when it was finally revealed over 4 years later that Hellblade 2 is an 8 hour game and will target 30fps, Xbox fans applauded assuming and saying "I'll take native 4K 30fps any day".
Turns out the game runs at 1070p max on series x, not even Full HD.

It's starting to become very apparent, the situation with series consoles. Avowed will NO DOUBT get a 60fps update, for series x, AFTER it is out.

But they can't make it 60fps on x and not have it on series s. Because series s is the console that the majority of series owners have.... and it's this console that Larry Nelson lied about in streamed live video interviews with the Xbox architect (the big bearded guy) that series s will be great and will only have lower resolutions like 1440p but have the same visual sets as series x counterparts. Like everything back in 2020, this was a lie.

When Starfield got the update for 60fps on series x, nobody even cared, nobody even cared to ask what all that nonsense and excuses was on it being 30fps at launch. Nobody cared too because the game was a dissipated wet fart at this point. I think it even got 60fps update on series s eventually which people cared even less to talk about.

BUT had it launched at 60fps on both consoles and the series s version ran at 500p resolution and settings cranked down to Very Low, it would have been a marketing disaster. So they are going to plow ahead with Avowed for the next 6 months to launch, showing mostly the PC version and the fidelity mode on series x because THEY MUST NOT show series s.

And imagine, none of this nonsense and awkwardness on the entire game development would have to happen if series s didn't exist at all.
"Series s was a mistake" said Smart people in 2020.

@BlueSheepz "They won't sell".
Have you seen the pathetic numbers Crisis Core did on Xbox's platforms and this INCLUDES last gen's 45 million Xbones too. Those sales cemented any games not going to Xbox going forward.

As slimey Phil says, it's just business.

Perfect timing. FFVII Rebirth's timed exclusivity for PS5 ends...... tomorrow. So the series s version should be ready to release in 24 hours.
Now I know what you're thinking, the PC version isn't even ready for release tomorrow.
FF16's PC port is launching, 9 months AFTER the timed exclusivity was over.

But wait a minute, I thought Square Enix regretted not releasing Rebirth for PC last Feb....... when a PC port isn't even ready 6 months later lol. So if there was a day 1 PC release, NOBODY would be playing Rebirth right now.

Sorry, I made a big mistake, the timed exclusivity for Remake was only 3 months and ended on May 29th 2024.
So where are the PC and Xbox versions then?????? Oh right, another year and a half away at least if Xbox's 1st party 2020 announced games are anything to go by.
But Rebirth would have sold SO MUCH MORE last Feb if the game took another 18 months to develop lol.

@Elbow The reviews of Starfield were a relief too then. Only 50 were allowed to be published the first 2 weeks it launched. You think Previews are any more honest?

@Dimey No, play it day 4 with "Game pass Ultimate". Play it day 366 on "game pass" and after it's on PS5 too.
People need to stop calling game pass game pass when they are referring to game pass ultimate.

So the naming and extra tiers from a month back clearly are a confusing mess to people.

Here is the Aaron Greenberg quote from 2020 yet again https://x.com/aarongreenberg/status/1258378640087060481?t=vKIEhu66eorRLDOcP9zDqQ&s=19
"60fps will be the standard output" when talking about series x.

Liar.

@cragis0001 Who else is going full 3rd party? Oh right, nobody else but Xbox.

So what happened to PlayStation "following" suit and putting their games day and date on PS Plus??? Remember that prediction?
Xbox refuse to do that now. You need the ultimate tier for that.

@somnambulance The game is doa. 5 more players on Xbox..... and all the entire work that the developer will need to put in, introducing series s into the development of an ongoing game, will not change this. (I'm only going by ALL THE 2020 announced Xbox games that are in development hell at this point because of series s).

Bringing a PS5 developed game to series s/x is NOT the same as bringing a series s made game to PS5. Please understand this.

The Xbox Loss, weighs in. In slimey Phil we trust.

@OldGamer999 Gaming will be dead then too. Consolidation is NEVER the answer. Not only is competition a good thing but studios, game engines, genres, hardware advantages/uniqueness breeds competition too.

@GADG3Tx87 This time last year you and nobody had any idea Xbox bought a load of PS4/PS5 dev kits and was already months into porting 4 games to PlayStation and Switch consoles, that then launched in early 2024.

Of course there are more games in development RIGHT NOW, slimey Phil said it right there with the slimey IGN staff member in that slimey question controlled interview right after the showcase where he said "More games are going to other platforms."
Even before this was said, we knew it was happening. The floodgates opened officially in early Feb 2024 after the "business update".

Do you think if Forza Horizon 5 will be announced for other platforms tomorrow, that it will take 8 months to come out or will it be out in less than 8 weeks like those 4 other games? Time to accept that this is the current state of Xbox right now. As everyone said in Feb, now you have to wonder when anything is announced where it is actually going to be releasing.

Turns out, Indy may as well have been announced for PS5 way way WAY back in January 2021, back when it was announced.
Because by the time it finally got a day and date release date, the PS5 version was announced then anyway. They could have just did it at the showcase 2 months ago but we all know now why they didn't. Because it would have TOOK AWAY from that Xbox showcase......... nobody is going to admit this.

You mean PlayStation Plus' The Callisto Protocol. It was on Plus like a year ago, the difference is, out of the millions that grabbed it, they still can do that right now.

This won't be available to game pass users in a month or 2 so it most certainly won't be "Xbox Game Pass's The Callisto Protocol" then either.

@NEStalgia And don't forget, a decade of slimey Phil running things has dragged the Xbox console brand and name down to where it is now.

@InsaneWade Plenty of people are reporting that S and X XB1 consoles that haven't been updated in a few years are doing the same thing though. DF hadn't noticed that since they don't own any of those consoles that went years without an update.

People are right, Xbox were so far ahead with the XB1. They are the trailblazers of "unable to connect to server, enjoy your brick." Or "bye bye forever over 70% of Xbox 360's library".

The worst games console reveal in history back in May 2013 manages to get worse with every passing year.

And why is it so quiet in here???

@Sol4ris Or just nuke it. Surely just stopping it and cancelling it would be still cheaper then having to start development on a series s version in late 2024? When do you want the game be ready for, 2025/2026 like most of Xbox's own development hell, half a decade still coming, 1st party games this gen? 😬😅😆😬🤣😆😅😆

That's the REALITY of the joke you think you just made.
And for what? 5 more players on Xbox?

Just nuke Concord, like I begged since its first announcement years ago.

The 2nd Season only made it because they thought Season 1 would go down so well lol.

Imagine having the 2 worst selling consoles on the market the past 4 years and still putting out a novelty item for that same failure.

Oh thank goodness. Halo is still in good hands for over a decade then, with Killzone 2 still beating ANYTHING 343i has made on Metacritic (go on, look it up).

Another month in 2024 and another blow to Xbox fans.

Of course its series s. If all of Xbox's very own 1st party 2019/2020 games were all released by now, you would have a case that it is lazy devs in this specific case. There isn't even an ingame screenshot of some of these games 4 years later.

After the disastrous Halo Infinite, franchise destroying, gameplay reveal, Phil is terrified to show any footage of games since. For example, they never showed any raw gameplay with HUDs of Redfall right up to its release.

But you can't say its down to the devs because it makes no sense if you say it is their fault.