@NEStalgia Honestly sad to see. That Xbox edition Quest still confused me. I guess if you want black like the old Rifts.
To gh I guess had it been out when I got mine, I would have opted for the back version too.
The leg up they could have by providing native support for a wireless HMD would at least be nice.
I will say though, I use Virtual Desktop a lot to play 2D steam games like Foxhole on a movie theater screen. I've found myself using it over my 1440p/144hz monitor. 😬
What sucks is the Pixel Remaster being released in Xbox lacks all the added content from the Definitive Pixel Remaster like new jobs, dungeons, etc. Even the 10 hour story extension one of them has.
I think the important take away here is that while a developer said this, NIS America, the publisher mentioned here, the western publishing branch, IE outside of Japan, even feels the same. Not enough interest outside of Japan either.
To put that in perspective, that mid gen console outsold the lifetime of the WiiU. And is correctly at ~50% of what the Series S/X have sold, combined.
That is bad how, exactly? Especially for being the first mid-gen refresh.
Now let's look further though. Even assuming that the One X did 20% as well, that would have put the One X at roughly 12 million. ~50% less than the PS4Pro.
Conversely you could view the PS5 as Sony's Series S. They launched it first and waited for higher end hardware to be cheaper to release their Series X.
Which kinda leaves Xbox in limbo. Because you know all comparisons forward will be the PS5 Pro VS Series X.
Seeing how WB is ran, you KNOW their takeaway was "Huh, DC doesn't sell. Guess we'll do a Harry Potter Live Service instead."
Thsy being said, I wouldn't be opposed to like how Kakarot does it.
Kakarot is single player. Came out in 2020, and has had DLC out as recently as February of this year. Preferably without the horrendous Xbox support though. Achievements still broke on the Series S/X version.
A friend and I were doing it on the hardest difficulty level and got ot that final boss. And if we weren't getting Game Over's our third kept disconnecting, which reset you.
Took us so long we took multiple breaks. Ultimately we beat him though and IMO, the most difficult achievement I have to date.
@DarkCvrle Okay, so let's use the steam deck for example. What game runs better there than the Series S? You won't be able to name one. I promise you.
Steam Deck is a platform of compromise and so times pushes what the definition of "running it" means. Half your frames are muddled by FSR and frame gen.
@WhiteRabbit Yea. I enjoy Xbox. Clearly, I have two launch day Series Xs. But I'm not going to ignore facts looking at me square in the face.
Some see comments like these this as an attack on the S. Xbox has many issues as a whole I'm not just hating on it at all. It is just the topic at hand.
@DarkCvrle What game runs on a low end PC, and provide the specific PC build please, that has had issues on the Series S exactly? I mean, one of my PC's from nearly a decade ago has 32GB of dedicated system RAM, but the Series S has 10GB of RAM, and that is a shared pool? 🤔
Additionally your information about the Series X VS S seems like out of date, pre-release information, so here you go:
CPU:
Series X- 8cores at 3.8ghz
Series S- 8cores at 3.6ghz
The S is 5.3% slower.
GPU:
Series X- 12.15 Teraflops
Series S- 4 Teraflops
The S is 67% slower.
Series X: 52 CUs
Series S: 20 CUs
Series S has 62% less CUs
RAM:
Series X- 16GB
Series S- 10GB
The S has 37.5% less RAM.
RAM speed.
Series X- 10GB at 560 GB/s, 6GB at 360 GB/s
Series S- 8GB at 224 GB/s, 2GB at 56 GB/s.
Series S has 60% slower high speed RAM.
Series S has 84% slower low speed RAM.
@DarkCvrle You're not going to see huge publishers, or the developers owned by said publishers, complain because I am sure they're contracts include a "no disparaging" clause. On top of that, they have infinitely more resources available.
You WILL see smaller studios complain because
1. They're not beholden to those contracts.
2. Microsoft has a history of stiffing the smaller studios.
3. This recent string of Microsoft just flat out ignoring smaller developers is likely further evidence of Microsoft leaving the console market in the next Gen. After all, no need to help people publish to your hardware, especially smaller developers you'll see little to no money from, if you're planning on leaving the market.
@StylesT Not gonna lie, I am over the moon with hype for Arkham Shadow. Just wish it was on PC, at least through Quest Link, so I could use my VR treadmill with it.
If it is as good as their Iron Man VR game, it'll be a blast.
@NEStalgia I don't even use RT when available on console, so if that is the excuse for the 30fps lock, even worse. I gave them a pass on the resolution dealio back in the day. Mainly because even with something as recent as Diablo 2 I preferred 640x480 back then.
@BlueSheepz Strange. You must be either too young to remember or just have a poor memory.
SE's increasing support was a huge part of Xbox 360 prerelease, and even post release. All that resulted in was a couple mediocre launch windows games, then nothing of substance until they started doing multiplat, day an date releases. During that drought, however, they were publishing ganes for Nintendo and Sony still.
Once again during the Xbox One's life. And what was gotten from that? Some PS1 ports, the card game, and 15, a game that did so poorly half the story, that was supposed to be told through DLC, was cut.
Now here we are, at the third time. Will it be the charm? I doubt it. But we'll see.
So likely another Series S issue. The X/S certification is a process that involves both. If one version fails they're both failed due to the same reason because of the parity clause.
The Series S has significantly slower RAM, with one portion being 60% slower and the other being 84% slower than the X. Additionally the Series S has 37.5% less RAM. All of which exacerbates these RAM issues we hear about.
We already know it is a fairly intense UE5 game. So this really comes as no surprise. Even the bare minimum requirements seek 16GB of RAM on PC. Which isn't a good sign for a 10GB console that is essentially just a PC nowadays.
@Vipor007 Almost like alienating your fanbase isn't a good idea. 😂 No point buying an Xbox if you can play all their game elsewhere.
Thankfully I have a PC so I can just play all the Xbox stuff there, at 100+fps, since Microsoft seems incapable of launching 60fps on a console unless it is. On top of that games are cheaper, online is free, mountains of mods, etc. To add insult to injury, while I'm finally building a new one, one of my PC's that are 10 years old is still running circles around modern consoles.
As a matter of fact, I think I'm going to hop into VR, on my VR treadmill, another area Microsoft has completely ignored and told people to bugger off if they wanted. Wanna know what sounds real fun right now Halo VR. Something else I can do on PC, and something Microsoft should have done on Xbox ages ago.
@demian Well that's just factually incorrect. And incorrect informarion like this is why people buy consoles.
My last PC I built cost 1.5x a console. And remained running games at higher settings than consoles for 2.5 console generations. It was only at that point that I had to even lower settings. It was only at point that it was old enough to be on par with consoles.
My current build, also about 1.5x a console, is already running games 3-4x better than what console hardware does.
In addition to that, on PC I can use virtual reality to its fullest and even my VR treadmill. Something I cannot do on console either.
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Re: Review: Starfield Shattered Space (Xbox) - Bethesda Fumbles A Big Chance To Reignite Starfield's Thrusters
@Sifi Shattered Space only has 4 reviews from "critics" which seems to be the one you're interested. Concord has 46. Over a 10x difference.
You'll need to wait until more reviews are there because 4 is hardly a sample.
Re: Review: Starfield Shattered Space (Xbox) - Bethesda Fumbles A Big Chance To Reignite Starfield's Thrusters
@Sifi Are you referring the scre that matters on metacritic, user score, which shows or 7.2 vs 1.7?
Or are you talking about the critics score, that only has 4 reviews for Shattered space while Concord has over 10x the reviews at 46?
Seems like a fairly disingenuous comment.
And this is from someone that is well known for pointing out Xbox's faults. Much to the chagrin of some here.
Re: Microsoft To Stop Selling HoloLens Headsets, Public Security Updates To End In 2027
@NEStalgia Honestly sad to see. That Xbox edition Quest still confused me. I guess if you want black like the old Rifts.
To gh I guess had it been out when I got mine, I would have opted for the back version too.
The leg up they could have by providing native support for a wireless HMD would at least be nice.
I will say though, I use Virtual Desktop a lot to play 2D steam games like Foxhole on a movie theater screen. I've found myself using it over my 1440p/144hz monitor. 😬
Re: Microsoft To Stop Selling HoloLens Headsets, Public Security Updates To End In 2027
I wouldn't be surprised after the last Meta inference where they were discussing the Quest having a direct line through Windows.
Still waiting on that partnership to bring VR to Xbox. But doubt that will ever come.
Re: Poll: Did You End Up Buying The Dead Rising Deluxe Remaster For Xbox?
No interest on it.
If they had done something actually worthwhile I, such as a seamless game world, I would have
Instead they just released the OG, with a fresh coat of paint. Godawful loading screens and all.
Re: Metaphor: ReFantazio's First Review Is Getting Everyone Hyped For The Full Release
No doubt is is fantasic from elsewhere I've seen things.
But IMO, any credibility Famitsu had went out the window when they gave FFXIII a 39/40 and FFXII-2 a 40/40.
Re: Review: Starfield Shattered Space (Xbox) - Bethesda Fumbles A Big Chance To Reignite Starfield's Thrusters
@Medic_alert It will be a total banger.
Because it is multiplat.
Re: Here's What Players Are Saying About Starfield Shattered Space So Far
Time to dust off my 200 hour save and get back to it I reckon.
Re: Square Enix Is Bringing Eight Games To Xbox Today (September 26)
What sucks is the Pixel Remaster being released in Xbox lacks all the added content from the Definitive Pixel Remaster like new jobs, dungeons, etc. Even the 10 hour story extension one of them has.
Re: Assassin's Creed Shadows Delayed To Feb 2025, Partly Due To Poor Start For Star Wars Outlaws
@GhanaViking Probably the point. That ways when Shadows does terribly, they can blame the other games that launched.
Re: Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 Is Shaping Up To Be An Xbox GOTY Contender
Won't be touching it on Xbox.
VR though is a different matter all together.
Re: Xbox Unveils New Transparent Controller Along With Six 'Design Lab' Variants
Looks like my Elite Series 2, but boring with the hand motors covered.
Need to get that Elite Series 3 out already.
Re: TMNT: Shredder's Revenge Scores 'Radical Reptiles' DLC Update
Oh dang. Having seen Anamanaguci live, I am immediately interested.
Re: Xbox Provides 'Progress Update' On Its Carbon Reduction Goals
No longer manufacturing Xboxes sure would go a long way toward that.
Re: Review: Ara: History Untold (PC) - Xbox Game Studios Delivers Yet Another Great Strategy Title
Not gonna lie, it reminded me why I loved Civilization. So I reinstalled that instead.
Re: Poll: How Excited Are You For Call Of Duty: Black Ops 6 On Xbox Game Pass?
They removed 4-player, split screen, Zombies.
So I'm not even wasting the bandwidth to download it. I'll stick with BLOPS4.
Re: 'Reynatis' Dev Explains Lack Of Xbox Version, Says There's Not Enough Demand In Japan
I think the important take away here is that while a developer said this, NIS America, the publisher mentioned here, the western publishing branch, IE outside of Japan, even feels the same. Not enough interest outside of Japan either.
Re: Planet Coaster 2 Is Making A Splash On Xbox This November
Awwww man. I wish this had been a DLC so I didn't have to give up all the cool packs in the first.
Re: Xbox Is Cutting 650 More Jobs, Confirms Phil Spencer In Letter To Employees
Wonder if there is a breakdown of where in Xbox they came from? Game development? Hardware R&D? Etc.
Re: Xbox Is Reintroducing 'Friend Requests' Later This Year
@Scummbuddy Yes. Was replaced by a follower system ages ago.
Re: Xbox's 'Double Fine' Studio Dismisses Idea Of Making New Banjo Or Conker Games
At this point I'd be happy with a HD Remaster of the Xbox version of Conker with the N64 audio restored.
Multiplayer intact, of course.
Re: Reaction: PS5 Pro's Extortionate Price Justifies Xbox's Lack Of A New Console
@Mustoe Be more disingenuous why don't you.
That "20%" is 23 million consoles.
To put that in perspective, that mid gen console outsold the lifetime of the WiiU. And is correctly at ~50% of what the Series S/X have sold, combined.
That is bad how, exactly? Especially for being the first mid-gen refresh.
Now let's look further though. Even assuming that the One X did 20% as well, that would have put the One X at roughly 12 million. ~50% less than the PS4Pro.
Re: Reaction: PS5 Pro's Extortionate Price Justifies Xbox's Lack Of A New Console
It makes sense.
They're tapping into that disigner market Apple goes for.
These are going to sell like hotcakes for no other reasons than how expensive it is and that it has Sony on.
Re: Towerborne Hands On Preview - A New Xbox Exclusive Launching In Steam Early Access
Was gonna play this on Xbox, but due to this I reckon I will buy it on Steam.
Super strange situation all around.
Re: Sony's PS5 Pro Seems Unlikely To Get An Xbox Equivalent This Holiday
@GhanaViking
Yep.
Conversely you could view the PS5 as Sony's Series S. They launched it first and waited for higher end hardware to be cheaper to release their Series X.
Which kinda leaves Xbox in limbo. Because you know all comparisons forward will be the PS5 Pro VS Series X.
Re: Hogwarts Legacy Sequel A 'Big Priority' For Warner Bros In The Next Few Years
@InheritNegative Oh of course.
Seeing how WB is ran, you KNOW their takeaway was "Huh, DC doesn't sell. Guess we'll do a Harry Potter Live Service instead."
Thsy being said, I wouldn't be opposed to like how Kakarot does it.
Kakarot is single player. Came out in 2020, and has had DLC out as recently as February of this year. Preferably without the horrendous Xbox support though. Achievements still broke on the Series S/X version.
Re: The Always-Online 'Test Drive Unlimited Solar Crown' Suffers Launch Day Outages On Xbox
Based off what I've read, seems like it is suffering WAY more than outages.
Re: Microsoft Had Two Transformers Games Rated In Australia Last Month
I still have PTSD from Trypticon.
A friend and I were doing it on the hardest difficulty level and got ot that final boss. And if we weren't getting Game Over's our third kept disconnecting, which reset you.
Took us so long we took multiple breaks. Ultimately we beat him though and IMO, the most difficult achievement I have to date.
Re: Dune: Awakening's Xbox Series S Port Will Be 'A Challenge', Says Funcom
@DarkCvrle Okay, so let's use the steam deck for example. What game runs better there than the Series S? You won't be able to name one. I promise you.
Steam Deck is a platform of compromise and so times pushes what the definition of "running it" means. Half your frames are muddled by FSR and frame gen.
@WhiteRabbit Yea. I enjoy Xbox. Clearly, I have two launch day Series Xs. But I'm not going to ignore facts looking at me square in the face.
Some see comments like these this as an attack on the S. Xbox has many issues as a whole I'm not just hating on it at all. It is just the topic at hand.
Re: Dune: Awakening's Xbox Series S Port Will Be 'A Challenge', Says Funcom
@DarkCvrle What game runs on a low end PC, and provide the specific PC build please, that has had issues on the Series S exactly? I mean, one of my PC's from nearly a decade ago has 32GB of dedicated system RAM, but the Series S has 10GB of RAM, and that is a shared pool? 🤔
Additionally your information about the Series X VS S seems like out of date, pre-release information, so here you go:
CPU:
Series X- 8cores at 3.8ghz
Series S- 8cores at 3.6ghz
The S is 5.3% slower.
GPU:
Series X- 12.15 Teraflops
Series S- 4 Teraflops
The S is 67% slower.
Series X: 52 CUs
Series S: 20 CUs
Series S has 62% less CUs
RAM:
Series X- 16GB
Series S- 10GB
The S has 37.5% less RAM.
RAM speed.
Series X- 10GB at 560 GB/s, 6GB at 360 GB/s
Series S- 8GB at 224 GB/s, 2GB at 56 GB/s.
Series S has 60% slower high speed RAM.
Series S has 84% slower low speed RAM.
Re: Dune: Awakening's Xbox Series S Port Will Be 'A Challenge', Says Funcom
@DarkCvrle You're not going to see huge publishers, or the developers owned by said publishers, complain because I am sure they're contracts include a "no disparaging" clause. On top of that, they have infinitely more resources available.
You WILL see smaller studios complain because
1. They're not beholden to those contracts.
2. Microsoft has a history of stiffing the smaller studios.
3. This recent string of Microsoft just flat out ignoring smaller developers is likely further evidence of Microsoft leaving the console market in the next Gen. After all, no need to help people publish to your hardware, especially smaller developers you'll see little to no money from, if you're planning on leaving the market.
Re: Report: Suicide Squad Dev Rocksteady Suffers Layoffs At Warner Bros. HQ
@StylesT Not gonna lie, I am over the moon with hype for Arkham Shadow. Just wish it was on PC, at least through Quest Link, so I could use my VR treadmill with it.
If it is as good as their Iron Man VR game, it'll be a blast.
Re: Dragon's Dogma 2 Director Hideaki Itsuno Leaves Capcom After 30 Years
Honestly understandable with how the remakequel went. To my knowledge, only Sam Raimi has ever pulled that off.
Re: Black Myth: Wukong Xbox Delay Reportedly Tied To PS5 'Exclusivity Deal'
An exclusivity deal without the "Only On Playstation" banner? I find that doubtful.
Re: Obsidian Says Avowed Is Running 'Really, Really Well' On Xbox Series X, Despite 30FPS Target
@NEStalgia I don't even use RT when available on console, so if that is the excuse for the 30fps lock, even worse. I gave them a pass on the resolution dealio back in the day. Mainly because even with something as recent as Diablo 2 I preferred 640x480 back then.
Re: Obsidian Says Avowed Is Running 'Really, Really Well' On Xbox Series X, Despite 30FPS Target
I'll be playing it at 100+FPS on PC, Barring engine funkiness, so....yea. Sounds like they just don't care to give people on console what they want.
Re: Roundup: The Reviews Are In For Razer's 'Wolverine V3 Pro' Wireless Xbox Controller
Still waiting on a gyro.
Re: Final Fantasy Dev Insists The Future Is Bright For Square Enix Games On Xbox
@DreamlandGem Will do. Thanks!
Re: Final Fantasy Dev Insists The Future Is Bright For Square Enix Games On Xbox
@BlueSheepz Strange. You must be either too young to remember or just have a poor memory.
SE's increasing support was a huge part of Xbox 360 prerelease, and even post release. All that resulted in was a couple mediocre launch windows games, then nothing of substance until they started doing multiplat, day an date releases. During that drought, however, they were publishing ganes for Nintendo and Sony still.
Once again during the Xbox One's life. And what was gotten from that? Some PS1 ports, the card game, and 15, a game that did so poorly half the story, that was supposed to be told through DLC, was cut.
Now here we are, at the third time. Will it be the charm? I doubt it. But we'll see.
Re: Final Fantasy Dev Insists The Future Is Bright For Square Enix Games On Xbox
Sure. Not like we've heard this before and nothing come of it.
Re: Well-Known Leaker Reveals Major Xbox Game Pass Addition For September 2024
I know it lacks some of the activities in this, but TBH I much prefer STEEP.
Though if we could ever get a new Amped game, that felt like an Amped game, I would be set.
Re: Rumour: Black Myth: Wukong 'Memory Leak' Has Caused Xbox Series X|S Delay
So likely another Series S issue. The X/S certification is a process that involves both. If one version fails they're both failed due to the same reason because of the parity clause.
The Series S has significantly slower RAM, with one portion being 60% slower and the other being 84% slower than the X. Additionally the Series S has 37.5% less RAM. All of which exacerbates these RAM issues we hear about.
We already know it is a fairly intense UE5 game. So this really comes as no surprise. Even the bare minimum requirements seek 16GB of RAM on PC. Which isn't a good sign for a 10GB console that is essentially just a PC nowadays.
Re: Review: Star Wars Outlaws (Xbox) - Robust Stealth & Immaculate Vibes Make For A Super Star War
So based off all the reviews, this one included, this looks to be another Ubisoft slog. I'll wait a couple years and get it on the cheap.
Re: Avowed Gets Massive Uncut Gameplay Demo During Xbox's Final Gamescom Event For 2024
@Vipor007 Almost like alienating your fanbase isn't a good idea. 😂 No point buying an Xbox if you can play all their game elsewhere.
Thankfully I have a PC so I can just play all the Xbox stuff there, at 100+fps, since Microsoft seems incapable of launching 60fps on a console unless it is. On top of that games are cheaper, online is free, mountains of mods, etc. To add insult to injury, while I'm finally building a new one, one of my PC's that are 10 years old is still running circles around modern consoles.
As a matter of fact, I think I'm going to hop into VR, on my VR treadmill, another area Microsoft has completely ignored and told people to bugger off if they wanted. Wanna know what sounds real fun right now Halo VR. Something else I can do on PC, and something Microsoft should have done on Xbox ages ago.
Re: Talking Point: What Did You Think Of Gamescom 2024 Overall?
Pretty good show if you own a Playstation.
Re: Avowed Gets Massive Uncut Gameplay Demo During Xbox's Final Gamescom Event For 2024
Gonna look great in 120fps on my PC.
Re: Three Years Later, Quake Is Officially Getting A Physical Xbox Release
I still want to know where Quake with ray tracing is for Xbox.
Re: Talking Point: Does Microsoft Have A '30FPS' Problem With Its Xbox Series X|S Output?
For sure. And it hurts the brand.
Why bother getting a game on Xbox when I can get it on PC, with free online, and it runs better?
Re: Reaction: Indiana Jones And The Great Circle's PS5 Announcement Marks A Bold Step For Xbox
@demian Well that's just factually incorrect. And incorrect informarion like this is why people buy consoles.
My last PC I built cost 1.5x a console. And remained running games at higher settings than consoles for 2.5 console generations. It was only at that point that I had to even lower settings. It was only at point that it was old enough to be on par with consoles.
My current build, also about 1.5x a console, is already running games 3-4x better than what console hardware does.
In addition to that, on PC I can use virtual reality to its fullest and even my VR treadmill. Something I cannot do on console either.
Re: Obsidian Confirms That Avowed Runs At 30FPS On Xbox Series X|S
So once again, a game you're better of playing elsewhere. And Microsoft wonders why their console doesn't sell.
Even Starfield was already running at 60fps on PC on hardware inferior to the Xbox at launch. This is going to be another case of exactly that.