@OldGamer999 I got into xbox one x from ps4 because of Phil vision, game pass, backwards compatibility and other improvements. It felt like underdog fighting for consumer. Now they dont fight. They just milk us and dont care if we leave.
It was a good run and I consider series X and one X the best consoles from hardware standpoint/design.
But its time to openly admit no matter how hard I try I cant be their fan anymore.
I have 2 xbox series x, 4 controllers, xbox rog ally and game pass. And I am moving on to the competiton next gen
Is Sony management better? We saw with recent news - NO. However, they will have a monopoly in 5-7 years in the “stationary console under tv” space. Like it or not PS5 and PS6 will be de-facto consoles for players an devs. So the choice is now PC or PS with PC also might look into steamOS
@space_g0blin Todays news feels like closure to me. I will keep playing on my SX but not renewing GP and next gen going with competition. I think its time for us to move on
@OldGamer999 @Cakefish @Fiendish-Beaver I dont want to be part of xbox that is run by Satya and AI fanatics who dont care about games. They treat gaming as MS office or one drive - no thanks.
It feels like xbox soul is just dead. You know how companies like bungee is not the same anymore - its just a familiar name without a soul.
Same feeling with xbox
I will cherish my xbox series X as a last proper xbox console.
I am fully done with whatever they do next. PS + switch and maybe steamOS PC next gen
@Fiendish-Beaver I am 1000% agree and it definitely feels like what was Phil planning for years with Game pass and all these acquisitions simply got cut during ABK deal. They just did not want this long-term slow process, dealing with consoles and GP. Probably ABK was an excuse to do this restructuring. I am sure GP strategy with exclusives at a low price point was very viable and resembles the netflix model. Of course xbox anywhere and $30 tag burried GP as something viable. Reportedly (rumours) he was against all these changes that came after feb 24…
Shocking news (but kinda predictable). Very sad and bad day for xbox. The guy literally resurrected xbox during xbox one era, he was pro-console and invented game pass. When he was acquiring bethesda he planned “Netflix” model with exclusives in GP. We also were seeing aggressive pricing, $1 deals and conversion for GP. And of course backwards compatibility.
I think he was pushed aside after ABK deal. MS simply cancelled his strategy and replaced with all this AI, PC, cloud, play anywhere BS. Youd could see how defeated he looked in feb 24 with “just 4 games” and on the following interviews. I am pretty sure he was against all that.
I dont want to paint him as saint as he did a lot of bad decisions and we have seen poor output of games during his time. But I believe if it was not for Phil, xbox would be dead during xbox one era.
I bet when time comes he will share a lot of interesting insights.
I disagree on multiple fronts: 1) If steam magically appears on existing xbox OS (thats been the same and just getting updates since xbox one) - that would be a dream. But I dont think its possible. Clearly what they are doing is adding “xbox” features on windows with this FSE. There will be night and day difference between xbox OS and Windows loading into FSE. See they want to unify all platforms and its easier to do under windows than xbox Os. I simply wont beleive it until I see it. I am confident we will be getting regular windows that just loads into FSE - because they are openly do it today and have a roadmap. The only thing in question is backwards compatibility with your non-play anywhere library.
2) “MS did not go easy on series consoles” - absolutely because they had different management and strategy back then. They wanted to push consoles and GP at that time. Hence series s and cheap GP. It was Phil strategy. Now with Satya and Amy - its all about less hardware, minimum effort and play anywhere - and squezing every dollar ASAP. Completely different times now.
3) “PS5 and xbox are PC” - they have PC specs but designated OS that is different from windows. For example you can now install steam OS (bazzite) on xbox rog ally and get better pefromance in games and overall responsiveness because its better optimized Os.
4) 5090 at 1000 bucks is not even a funny joke. Steam machine will be closer to that price tag with base ps5 level specs
@Gemini53 I think creating dualboot, unique OS or proper Series X emulator is too complicated. MS seemingly wants to go the easiest way - everything is an xbox. You can get your PA library at any windows PC, whether xboxPC or asus xboxPC. Legacy xbox titles (non-PA) can be streamed or accessed natively via series consoles.
They already sidelined the handheld and went with asus. I expect they do the same with desktopPC-xbox.
They will get backlash anyways when they reveal a price tag and that next xbox is windows PC
@Gemini53 I think next xbox will be exactly like rog ally, just more polished given they work alot on windows improvements. I have not seen a single report saying they do something unique for xboxPC. It also aligns with “xbox anywhere” - so any PC could be xbox, not just their own xboxPC.
There is too much hassle to create a steam lite or remove Ps games or anythint from a niche device that is next xboxPC
@Fiendish-Beaver I estimate 10-20M lifetime although I think the whole terminology of generations would die out. The messaging would be “xbox anywhere” with their own xboxPC is just another option along with PC, existing series consoles (that I believe would be dragged well thru 2030s) and competitor consoles (where you can also play xbox games) and cloud.
The whole idea of proper generations, unique hardware and features will be gone. Developers want to ship on many devices including low end like series s, switch 2, pc handhelds.
So in my eyes its irrelevant how next xbox PC sells as it wont affect MS plans in any way. And whats more important is to understand which ecosystem is better for you tho I fail to understand what MS does better than any other player on the market. They only cool features are GP and PA but GP is too costly and PA is also a feature with steam devices.
@HonestHick @Fiendish-Beaver @Cakefish PA games will be native on PC xbox but there is no guarantee that your non-PA games (which is likely 80%+ of your xbox library) would be native downloads. There is a high chance it will be streamable only. This will definitely upset people so they push PA hard now (notice how it started only recently although PA itself is 10 years old) so in next 2-3 years you build a sizable PA library and would be more prone to go with xbox next gen. Thats the speculation tho but it aligns with how rog xbox ally works and with rumours of multiple SKUs and licensing xboxPC next gen. I also have not seen a single report saying MS is working on a unuqie OS for xboxPC - rather just windoes improvements on xbox app - that again adds to the point you wont be able to play natively your xbox non-Pa games
@Gabrie I think the core problem is among big gaming platform holders (Microsoft, valve, sony, nintendo) gaming is core business for all except MS. Nintendo almost fully depend on switch, valve is steam and for sony (espefially after spinning off TV) playstation is most important. For Ms xbox is like 10% of revenues or so which is still a lot but it leads to a problem where its not their main focus. And in past couple of years it became awfully apparent. They are fastest to wind down and restructure their gaming business while N/Sony and now valve always try to find ways to sale you a platform, games, provide some unique experience. So I think long term the best bet would be steam or Sony + switch on the side.
@Fiendish-Beaver if xboxPC offers true console experience and PC freedom - I will be standing next to you day 1 in the line to get it.
However, I have a lot of evidence (plus lack of trust of MS) that it will be more of a PC first with some improvements to make it “feel like” console but will be far from SX or PS5.
Here is a thing - I really decided to embrace MS vision when I bought ally x. I also thought maybe if I only play within xbox interface (full screen experience) and only play my xbox (pc) games then I can avoud the faff. Man I was greatly mistaken.
Issues starts when you launch the device with 50% of the time lock screen having issues. Then you would think game pass games will work no problem? Try launching diablo 4, jedi survibor and assassins creed - do you know what happens? Yes you will get redirected to battle net, ubisoft app and ea play app. Again half wont open automatically, and overall it will be slow.
And cherry on top is you get more fps on bazzite in same games…
This experience completely killed my interest and trust in xboxPC.
If they do just series X 2 console - initially I thought I would buy it but then whats the point as it will flop guaranteed and sales matter for consoles. The only real benefit of their PC direction - sales wont matter and at its worst you can just have a regular PC windows gaming experience - which is fine if you are ok with PC.
If you are console mindset first - stay away.
Long-term I just dont see them having a platform at all except cloud as PA will die with the series gen in 5-7 years and GP is already going downhill. I just dont understand what they can offer over steam/PS/N if you are gamer…
@Fiendish-Beaver sure based on leaks xbox will be more powerful than ps6 but does it matter if experience is meh? We know for a fact that any console beats playing on PC in terms of simplicity and no faff.
Especially for you I dont think few extra fps worth it if you need to mess with your xboxPC and solve windows issues with a controller from the couch.
For example it took me 1 week to wipe out my xbox rog ally x and get bazzite OS (steamOS essentially) as its WAY better experience. And its still worse imo than PS5/SX. Thats how big of a difference windows PC gaming is vs consoles.
Man as a console person I definitely forgot how frustrating is windows PC…
If I would make a bet today, most (including you) after using xboxPC will happily go to PS6.
Again for now there is more evidence of next xbox being same as rog ally x rather than its own unique system like series s/x.
Whether for the best version possible - thats only on high end PC which will be even more expensive due to ram issues…
@OldGamer999 @ilyn its an interesting topic about sony exclusivity. Technically sure they can stop all 3rd party exclusivity whatsoever. And they can only keep core franchises from xbox.
However sony created a new problem for themselves - PC. Notice how all conversations in past 2 years shifted from xbox vs ps5 to PC vs ps5? Especially as there are Pcs under 1000 and we have a more expensive ps5 PRO at 750, which narrows the price gap. Plus steam machine this year.
So the new problem for sony will be when launching ps6 - why buy it (aside from fans) if games will be cross gen and exclusives launch in a year on PC?
I think they will need to change strategy and dial down on exclusives ports to PC if they want to push ps6 consoles…
@TheGameThrifter exactly. This only works if everyone does it. Otherwise whoever does it first suffers the most.
I dont know it was kind of expected.
I remember that we were discussing this in 2024 and I think consensus was - either port out some games (for example older games), or have a proper 1 year exclusivity window for all games. Or there was an opinion on having core franchises (red lines) that just always exclusive and the rest can be whatever.
Either of those would be better that what we have today. We do have random 6 months exclusivity of forza 6 but seemingly its more of an exception now.
I even notice people on youtube and forums just already except all xbox games come to ps5. They are also confused with this messed approach.
If you port everything - then competitors must follow. If they dont you are screwed.
@OldGamer999 honestly there is no a proper solution to get your xbox games on PC. Its either full SX emulator or dual boot - both are very complicated choices. Now seeing how they push PA, I am convinced only PA will be native download while the rest cloud only. Basically what was with xbox ally. And while now it faced a backlash, in 2 years when people build decent PA libraries and the % of PA games becomes like 30-50, the exactly same scenario will get less backlash.
Fun story: my cousin in Germany wanted to buy an xbox for gta 6. He did not have a console.
He walked thru local store in Dresden to learn that they only sell ps5 and switch. He had to order xbox from official website and wait 1 month to get it. He really wanted an xbox and not a ps5 so he still did and ordered 2tb galaxy one for 600 euro.
In a couple of days he was browsing same store and that coincided with them starting a sale: they had discount for ps5 slim - just 380 euro. Guess what happened with 1 try? Yes, He walked away with a ps5 and bunch of games and cancelled his xbox order.
I talked to him recently, he bought bunch of games via psn and has ps plus. He will be buying ps6 next gen.
End of story.
Honestly unless you really want to embrace PC (and all pros/cons coming with it), its just safer and calmer with ps5 and ps6 next gen.
Every single year there is a big title skipping platform/delaying. BG3, wukong, dispatch and now silent hill.
I know its not the end of the world - they are many games but anyways why?
This is simply not fair for us who bought exactly same $500 machine as a competitor 5 years ago.
And 2 years ago you could say yeah but we have GP, our own exclusives (forza 5, hifi rush among the decent ones), cheaper hardware (series s) - how is it going now?
What is a real benefit now over ps5? Quick resume probably the last one…
@Fiendish-Beaver chances are higher with every report that they follow asus xbox ally path. This means all the windows faff from the couch but with a controller.
It also still unclear if backward compatibility will be native and not cloud+PA only like on ally.
Its getting more and more clear its essentially windows PC that works with a controller designed for Tv. Whether good or bad you decide but I would bet money it will be worst experience among all consoles and steamOS but indeed offer the most flexibility.
And yes doesnt seem like it will have unique features so your current pc might be good already and become xboxpc in 2 years.
Honestly the more we discuss it and the more comments I see from you, I tend to believe you have to move on with PS5 PRO-PS6 and call it a day. Just keep your SX and use it for games you already own.
@kmtrain83 the only 2 benefits with console/PC hybrid is it will be fully operational with a controller (launching, navigating UI, turning off) and it should support your existing game library on xbox. However both features presumably will be available on any windows machine which means there is no benefit if you already have a powerful PC.
This is where I get confused because I initially thought xbox FSE would be exclusive to licensed devices like asus rog ally but its confirmed the rollout is this year for windows. I think its already in beta if you want it today
Can someone explain how exactly they are going to see growth in PC market? These xboxPCs or whatever will be very niche market. You are telling me they have more chances to beat steam on PC market than playstation on the console market? This PC growth will be offset by losses from console business. Basically, they are abandoning 50-60M console market (active series + xbox one users) for maybe 20M if lucky of those xboxPC combined across MS own and partnered. And on consoles people are forced to buy GP core at least to play online games, which converts to more people opting to more expensive tiers (“I am paying for core anyway, might as well get premium/ultimate” logic) and on top of that all purchases are locked into xbox store. On these PCs people will be less subbing for GP and less spending in xbox app.
The only benefit I see for Ms is to get rid of those R&D costs, distribution and console marketing in future generations.
It baffles me that people just want to believe in miracles that somehow there will be THE device to rule them all: as good as PC and as convenient as a console but its nothing more than a dream or vision rather than a reality…
MS can probably get a piece of pre-built PC market but definitely they are losing console audience and general PC audience that likes to build their own machines.
@Cakefish no one ever confirmed native backwards compatibility to be honest. Chances are they say play anywhere and the rest is cloud as backwards compatibility. They are extending series s/x gen and that will be the response if you want to keep your xbox versions on the xbox consoles.
I called it last year that we will get something from partners like asus. There is no coincidence they already presented an xbox-style asus controller that without a doubt will be coming with their own asus xboxPC. I also suspect this can happen this year as well given the impressive (without any sarcasm) lineup this year.
And as expected chances for real xbox-PC hybrid that has full native compatibility with xbox games and has some unique features are getting slimmer with every report. We are definitely seeing just pre-built PC with badge and the only benefit is working with a controller from the box (although its not clear how comfortable it will be dealing with windows issues from a couch with a controller).
After I tried rog xbox ally I realized I dont want this experience and I dont have faith they can fully change how windows works with it in just 2 years…
GP is cooked at this point. They will just add cloud tier and everything else is either too expensive or useless. PC GP is too good now at $16 - a 100% change is coming soon.
Overall, I think what started as a cool concept and was cheap (it launched at $10) kinda became a commitment now or just not worth it for most players.
All the stackings and conversions schemes are nerfed/will be further nerfed.
Definitely a change in a strategy where GP is not a main thing anymore - just a side dish for diehards
@Fiendish-Beaver i think MS are hugely mistaken thinking most console players want anything to do with PC. While I see a lot of enthusiasts like us interested in this idea, casual player just doesnt need it. They will always choose the least resistance and convenience and the price over anything else.
So in the next 5-10 years MS gonna lose 50M console share (between series and xbox one gens) for I would say a 1/3 of it that will actually convert to xboxPC or just PC but favour xbox app due to GP and PA. Then revenues will fall when they realize no one cares about all that and wants a bigger library, better discounts with steam. So I think in 10 years only publishing and cloud will be sustainable with GP likely being just an entry into cloud.
If you think about it its funny they are running away from sony and consoles where they had every opportunity to get market share (and hence more revenues and more GP subs) to the PC market that is dominated by steam for at least 15 years. The only reason I see is they just dont want to deal with consoles whatever the opportunity cost might be and any exit is fine. PC path seems the lotical one but I would argue then xbox app should have exclusives (so games not available in steam) and GP should be priced aggressively
@themightyant yes there will be backwards compatibility. Now the key part - did they officially confirm NATIVE compatibility with our xbox versions of games?
They also claim rog ally plays your xbox games with an asterisk being only play anywhere and the rest are streamable.
It will be really hard to create something like proton that took valve many years, it will also he hard make a proper SX emulator and it also confusing for player to have any dual boot.
None of these options are easy to implement. Now the main question- why do you think they push Play anywhere so actively? It exists for 10 years but only last year it became an actual topic, they now mention it on their xbox presentations. So my theory is they bank on us having a sizeable PA library by the time next gen launches so its gonna be not 5-10% like right now but 30-50% and its gonna be easier to swallow the fact backward compatibility is only for PA and the rest is cloud.
Sorry but I iust think they will go the easiest way which is get rid of consoles and xbox OS, promote xbox FSE on PC and try to convince us “its the same” (its not) as your xbox.
There is just no magic pill to suddenly have best of PC and xbox console in 1 device.
Yes FSE is awfull. I am a xbox rog ally x owner and I uninstalled windoes compleyely in a week. Neither GP nor play anywhere convinced me to tolerate bad UI and UX
@Fiendish-Beaver the GPU increase to 30 is like a loud statement that they dont believe in this service anymore long-term. Of course GP will stay, at least for cloud tier. But the day 1 tier will either cease to exist or will be getting price hikes all the time while mid tier like premium will be there to look like “good middle ground”. It doesnt cost alot to put a bunch of older games into a sub.
I am also convinced PC GP will soon be removed or replaced mimicking other tiers - so PC would be just included in other tiers. They sure dont want to give you day 1 games for $16. Btw PC GP is already quietly hidden in the xbox GP tiers overview when you try to sub.
Of course with the PC extension going forward GP core will lose subs as the sole purpose is online and it will be free, other tiers will lose popularity due to amount of ways to save money on PC (steam sales, gog, illegal ways, epic games, keys). The reason why GPU worked when it was like $15 because you still need it for online on a console and also you get a lot of games on top. On PC naturally there is less appetite for any subscription
@Fiendish-Beaver @themightyant I think people get carried away with what this xboxPC will be able to do. Having all PC freedom plus console stability and convenience is just a dream or vision. The console by definition as a device exists because its near impossible to have all PC bells and whistles and make them work properly.
I am not sure why everyone keep’s guessing while its clear as day xbox FSE on windows 11 is what would be featured on next xbox. Every week there is a patch or update and its Expected to roll out in 2026 for regular windows 11. Do you think MS is secretly brewing a completely different OS just for this xboxPC that will sell 10M lifetime if we are lucky?
Regarding steam on xbox FSE - its currently very convenient. Its pinned in the xbox button menu, it has big picture mode - there is 0 problem going into steam on xbox rog ally (and soon on any windows pc). And no xbox app so far is not even remotly good enough to entice people over steam but I agree in 2 years it can be improved.
@OldGamer999 I think what makes the choice easier is if you want console first (not cloud or PC or else) you have to go with PS or N because consoles is their bread. Especially after Sony spun off their TV business.
Another part it - yea I was always for GP for 6 years but not at the new price point. I also have it stacked till 2027 but I already know I will not sub. To be more precise I am fed with subscriptions and dont want a gaming sub at all - so PS plus will be a no for me as well.
I think things like controller and quick resume are very small in grand scheme of things. Quick resume might not arrive in next xboxPC as it will be windows based or maybe ps6 will have it too. As for controller - you can get xbox-style 3rd party for ps5 and call it a day.
@OldGamer999 yeah another option is just to play on series s/x up until cross-gen era ends. And its predicted by many to be even longer than this gen. But basically 3-4 years after PS6 release that puts us into 2032+ territory. Then decide on how market will be as things are changing fast.
The only downside is you will be investing all these years into xbox console versions of games thare are not guaranteed to work on windows (unless its a play anywhere title) and if you know already you are leaning towards PS next gen, might as well get your ps5 today
I think xbox basically would be just a small piece of pc gaming. Along with pc handhelds, laptops, steam machines, licensed steamOS machines. But basically you would be choosing between steamos and windows on your PC.
If you want a console - only PS or Nintendo going fotlrward. If you dont own xbox console - dont buy it. If you have one - either sell asap for ps5 and start build library there or (if you plan to keep xbox long-term) just play it until ps6 and then go to PS.
@IOI @kmtrain83 @Fiendish-Beaver @themightyant well we can be sure next xbox console (similar to series s/x) is not happening. Which is something we were not even discussing in 2024 even after the “just 4 games”. I remember the sentiment was “what happens to xbox AFTER next xbox” and no one questioned that we will have at least 1 proper generation after series. Yet look at how fast things changed.
I think it will be gradual transition from today (mostly consoles) to cloud and publishing only (the only 2 successful divisions).
From consoles they will move to xboxPC then to xbox licensing similar to xbox ally. At some point they will see decreased revenues from xbox app on PC and GP (that will keep losing subs) and then we are at the point where there is no platform. Or better say xcloud woult be the only platform. And obviously publishing in more popular stores like steam, psn, eshop.
@Fiendish-Beaver my ps5 PRO (I got one on the release) was the only console out of all I own that had issues with wi-fi. It was losing connection all the time to the point it started to bother me. After spending almost 1000 CAD on it - it was not the experience I was expecting. Then I was not impressed with PRO updates. It always seemed like I had to google/youtube whats the difference vs base ps5. If difference is not noticeable right away, then whats the point.
Lastly I did not need the 2TB drive while the absence of disc drive was noticeable.
Overall I was dissatisfied for what it offered at this price point and returned it. Base ps5 + SX is enough for me this gen. Tho maybe upcoming PSSR patch will make things different as well as devs doing a better job.
@wittedbugle to add to that Phil quote, console-first users were historically always starting next gen fresh when games were not cross-gen. It was never a thing to buy a new console to play old games. It was a PC thing but you are benefiting from your hardware directly. And of course I dont understand what stops a person from keeping the xbox s/x and then buy ps6 and get new games there while still using xbox when needed.
@eduscxbox 1) “microsoft is not trying to win over PS and switch” - this is bad for us xbox console players that we ve been for 25 years. Only since 2024 and even 2025 it suddenly became irrelevant where you play and that everythint is an xbox. 2) there was a poll on purexbox - these are irrelevant as they show opinion of loud enthusiasts (that we are all in fact are). Average player does not sit on gaming forums. So you can call it survivorship bias. 3) steam os in fact has a better experience- there is steam deck and steam Os handhelds like lenovo legion. Desktop experience wont be any different. In fact you can try it with bazzite (essentially an unofficial steam os) already. Sure could be minor issues here and there on release but they dont need to solve fundamental issues that windows have. 4) if you are on series s that you got because it was cheap/or as gift for example and you arent heavily invested in GP or PA, then in a year or so switch 2 will be a solid option as it has comparable specs (slightly less power but has newer tech like dlss) and its getting MS games and multiplatform games but as well offer unique experiences due to exclusives, joycons and hybrid form factor. 5) library - most people dont have sizable library. Again you are looking at enthusiasts and projecting on the whole market. There was a ridiculous stat that average console player has less than 10 paid games per generation and doesnt have subscription. These people will easily jump to ps6 when they see xboxPC price. Overall yeah I agree for diehard hardcore fans if you are heavy into GP and PA - sure xboxPC is your choice. However with the asterisk - if you have a sizable xbox console library that is not PA (which is 80-90% usually of yiur library btw) - there was no official quote that these will work natively on your xboxPC. All we know they “are committed to backward compatibility” but its a vague statement. 6) you are commentint many times as investor or MS manager saying in the lines of “microsoft doens want this or that or they will earn money by this or that”. It seems you are tryint to defend them at all times. 7) to your last paragraph- the problem is thats a lot of IFs and us wanting vs reality. Sure give me OS that is as stable as console xbox OS, has access to all PC features and all xbox games natively run on windows - I will be the first in line for xboxPC - but lets not fool ourselves as its just too good to be true …
@Fiendish-Beaver @IOI a fun thought but If I buy steam machine this year it will have “play anywhere” with all the steam titles I own on my xbox rog ally running steam os (bazzite)…
@IOI my problem is similar to @Fiendish-Beaver as I am heavily invested into xbox. Tho its not in the sheer library but I have 2 xbox SX on 2 floors and utilize the cross-save feature alot. I also have GP till 2027. I dont collect discs and dont like to double dip (aka buying same game on multiple devices/stores) so I will be maining xbox until then extracting value from GP and games I already owned. And its a solid year for GP if you have it prepaid at good prices.
I even bought xbox rog ally x and was planning to embrace all the Play anywhere and the whole ecosystem - I legit gave MS every single chance as I am an open minded and like the idea overall - but man thats the core problem - its just an idea or vision for future. For now windows on handheld even certified xbox rog ally - its a terrible experience despite the possibilities it provides. I wanted to return it but I decided to install bazzite os (similar to steamos) and its been amazing so far. Minimum faff or issues and asus built an amazing handheld from hardware standpoint. That was my personal final nail in the coffin when I realized that neither GP nor Play anywhere was important when the experience is annoying and frustrating- again its just me. Its also in my eyes even worse for handheld because I get it when you sit at the desktop with MKB and mess around but not when you have 20 min to play during a day on a handheld abd you just want it to work seamlessly. Now this made me question - hold on if xboxPC will just be windows PC with FSE simular to ally - how am I supposed to deal With these issues with controller from the sofa? Like its common when only touch screen works on ally and you need to tap on some error to close it…
@eduscxbox I think you are missing the point (and same with MS) that xbox potential customers are mostly people with an xbox today or who had it in the past. The backlash to the brand is really high right now so whoever is with Nintendo or PS or with steam - they wont bother with all these xbox-PC. By introducing all these xboxPCs at high prices you push existing customers away to the competition. You have a PC OS with better experience- steam Os that is launching this year. You have playstation and nintendo already (and switch 2 also could be a good option for someone who played on series s).
I think they can only find some audience in the cloud but its too early for that, probably a decade too early for this technology to replace native gaming.
And since you are so concerned about their profits - sure they will likely have slim margin form each xboxpc sold but we all agree they wont sell many units. The software side - not many seem to be interested in $30 game pass. Then you are losing audience who were paying directly on consoles as now most people on xbox pc will be going to steam and other store fronts and MS get 0. Play anywhere will cease to exist the moment series consoles stop getting new games as any pc handheld has “play anywhere” for all titles if you access them from desktop pc. Again only cloud is an additive.
I kinda see them becoming successful with cloud and publishing but not PC and obviously not consoles
@Fiendish-Beaver to your #61 comment. Spencer wanted exclusivity and GP. He actually understood the business and need for both. GP was priced aggressively at that time and all bethesda games were exclusive after acquisition.
However, 1st is gone now, 2n will be dead in several years in its current form. Prob just as cloud access and maybe 1st party but no 3rd party.
Satya and Amy only care about publishing now as its the only stable revenue driver.
@Weebleman @Fiendish-Beaver @IOI its insane that pretty much xbox series X is the last proper xbox. With such console hardware results, 0 marketing and such - its just clear - we are never getting another xbox console. Let it sink.
Sure we will have some xbox-branded hardware but it will be running windows or be cloud-based. I dont know why people keep thinking there is some hybrid or designated game mode on windows or else in development where clearly all they do is FSE and cloud improvements. Next gen will work exactly like rog xbox ally and we are lucky if we can get series emulator to migrate our libraries but I dont think they will bother as they push PA for that.
@eduscxbox how console is different:
1) yes running “custom” OS - not full windows with an overlay on top.
2) a subsidized device that keeps the price low.
3) every game in store will run without any tweaking and is guaranteed to work (sure might be at less fps/resolution than capable PC but it will be playable at the very minimum) and also run natively with a controller.
4) unique features whether dualsense features or even quick resume on xbox SX that is not in windows.
5) exclusives. While its also true that PC exclusives exist but these are usually in indie sector. In the AA or AAA space exclusives are only with PS/N and previously xbox consoles
Just because Satya said that its the same thing now - it did not became true. We still see 300M+ market for consoles hardware even if its not growing or “future” - its thriving.
@eduscxbox you can buy a pre-built PC or even laptop. This market is huge right now.
And to echo @weebleman why are we calling these devices an xbox? Because MS said so or because logo will be slapped? You dont even need crystal ball that many people on PC will use steam as main store. So if someone buying “xbox” just to play in steam big picture - what is MS benefit and what is a benefit from it being an “xbox” to player.
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Re: New Xbox Boss Makes Official Statement As She Takes Over From Phil Spencer
Did she run the statement with AI? Too much PR talk and repeating what Satya said many times.
I dont know I just dont believe her and MS at all.
Re: Phil Spencer Announces That He's Retiring From Xbox
@OldGamer999 I got into xbox one x from ps4 because of Phil vision, game pass, backwards compatibility and other improvements. It felt like underdog fighting for consumer. Now they dont fight. They just milk us and dont care if we leave.
It was a good run and I consider series X and one X the best consoles from hardware standpoint/design.
But its time to openly admit no matter how hard I try I cant be their fan anymore.
I have 2 xbox series x, 4 controllers, xbox rog ally and game pass. And I am moving on to the competiton next gen
Is Sony management better? We saw with recent news - NO. However, they will have a monopoly in 5-7 years in the “stationary console under tv” space. Like it or not PS5 and PS6 will be de-facto consoles for players an devs. So the choice is now PC or PS with PC also might look into steamOS
Re: Phil Spencer Announces That He's Retiring From Xbox
@space_g0blin Todays news feels like closure to me. I will keep playing on my SX but not renewing GP and next gen going with competition. I think its time for us to move on
Re: Phil Spencer Announces That He's Retiring From Xbox
@OldGamer999 @Cakefish @Fiendish-Beaver I dont want to be part of xbox that is run by Satya and AI fanatics who dont care about games. They treat gaming as MS office or one drive - no thanks.
It feels like xbox soul is just dead. You know how companies like bungee is not the same anymore - its just a familiar name without a soul.
Same feeling with xbox
I will cherish my xbox series X as a last proper xbox console.
I am fully done with whatever they do next. PS + switch and maybe steamOS PC next gen
Re: Phil Spencer Announces That He's Retiring From Xbox
@Fiendish-Beaver I am 1000% agree and it definitely feels like what was Phil planning for years with Game pass and all these acquisitions simply got cut during ABK deal.
They just did not want this long-term slow process, dealing with consoles and GP. Probably ABK was an excuse to do this restructuring.
I am sure GP strategy with exclusives at a low price point was very viable and resembles the netflix model. Of course xbox anywhere and $30 tag burried GP as something viable.
Reportedly (rumours) he was against all these changes that came after feb 24…
Re: Phil Spencer Announces That He's Retiring From Xbox
Shocking news (but kinda predictable). Very sad and bad day for xbox. The guy literally resurrected xbox during xbox one era, he was pro-console and invented game pass. When he was acquiring bethesda he planned “Netflix” model with exclusives in GP. We also were seeing aggressive pricing, $1 deals and conversion for GP. And of course backwards compatibility.
I think he was pushed aside after ABK deal. MS simply cancelled his strategy and replaced with all this AI, PC, cloud, play anywhere BS. Youd could see how defeated he looked in feb 24 with “just 4 games” and on the following interviews. I am pretty sure he was against all that.
I dont want to paint him as saint as he did a lot of bad decisions and we have seen poor output of games during his time. But I believe if it was not for Phil, xbox would be dead during xbox one era.
I bet when time comes he will share a lot of interesting insights.
Re: New Report On PS6 Delay Throws Next-Gen Timing Into Doubt
@HonestHick
I disagree on multiple fronts:
1) If steam magically appears on existing xbox OS (thats been the same and just getting updates since xbox one) - that would be a dream. But I dont think its possible. Clearly what they are doing is adding “xbox” features on windows with this FSE. There will be night and day difference between xbox OS and Windows loading into FSE.
See they want to unify all platforms and its easier to do under windows than xbox Os.
I simply wont beleive it until I see it. I am confident we will be getting regular windows that just loads into FSE - because they are openly do it today and have a roadmap. The only thing in question is backwards compatibility with your non-play anywhere library.
2) “MS did not go easy on series consoles” - absolutely because they had different management and strategy back then. They wanted to push consoles and GP at that time. Hence series s and cheap GP. It was Phil strategy. Now with Satya and Amy - its all about less hardware, minimum effort and play anywhere - and squezing every dollar ASAP. Completely different times now.
3) “PS5 and xbox are PC” - they have PC specs but designated OS that is different from windows. For example you can now install steam OS (bazzite) on xbox rog ally and get better pefromance in games and overall responsiveness because its better optimized Os.
4) 5090 at 1000 bucks is not even a funny joke. Steam machine will be closer to that price tag with base ps5 level specs
Re: New Report On PS6 Delay Throws Next-Gen Timing Into Doubt
@Gemini53 I think creating dualboot, unique OS or proper Series X emulator is too complicated. MS seemingly wants to go the easiest way - everything is an xbox. You can get your PA library at any windows PC, whether xboxPC or asus xboxPC. Legacy xbox titles (non-PA) can be streamed or accessed natively via series consoles.
They already sidelined the handheld and went with asus. I expect they do the same with desktopPC-xbox.
They will get backlash anyways when they reveal a price tag and that next xbox is windows PC
Re: New Report On PS6 Delay Throws Next-Gen Timing Into Doubt
@Gemini53 I think next xbox will be exactly like rog ally, just more polished given they work alot on windows improvements.
I have not seen a single report saying they do something unique for xboxPC. It also aligns with “xbox anywhere” - so any PC could be xbox, not just their own xboxPC.
There is too much hassle to create a steam lite or remove Ps games or anythint from a niche device that is next xboxPC
Re: New Report On PS6 Delay Throws Next-Gen Timing Into Doubt
@Fiendish-Beaver I estimate 10-20M lifetime although I think the whole terminology of generations would die out. The messaging would be “xbox anywhere” with their own xboxPC is just another option along with PC, existing series consoles (that I believe would be dragged well thru 2030s) and competitor consoles (where you can also play xbox games) and cloud.
The whole idea of proper generations, unique hardware and features will be gone.
Developers want to ship on many devices including low end like series s, switch 2, pc handhelds.
So in my eyes its irrelevant how next xbox PC sells as it wont affect MS plans in any way. And whats more important is to understand which ecosystem is better for you tho I fail to understand what MS does better than any other player on the market. They only cool features are GP and PA but GP is too costly and PA is also a feature with steam devices.
Re: New Report On PS6 Delay Throws Next-Gen Timing Into Doubt
@HonestHick @Fiendish-Beaver @Cakefish PA games will be native on PC xbox but there is no guarantee that your non-PA games (which is likely 80%+ of your xbox library) would be native downloads. There is a high chance it will be streamable only. This will definitely upset people so they push PA hard now (notice how it started only recently although PA itself is 10 years old) so in next 2-3 years you build a sizable PA library and would be more prone to go with xbox next gen.
Thats the speculation tho but it aligns with how rog xbox ally works and with rumours of multiple SKUs and licensing xboxPC next gen.
I also have not seen a single report saying MS is working on a unuqie OS for xboxPC - rather just windoes improvements on xbox app - that again adds to the point you wont be able to play natively your xbox non-Pa games
Re: Silent Hill: Townfall Not Coming To Xbox At Launch, Along With A Few Other State Of Play Titles
@Gabrie I think the core problem is among big gaming platform holders (Microsoft, valve, sony, nintendo) gaming is core business for all except MS. Nintendo almost fully depend on switch, valve is steam and for sony (espefially after spinning off TV) playstation is most important. For Ms xbox is like 10% of revenues or so which is still a lot but it leads to a problem where its not their main focus. And in past couple of years it became awfully apparent. They are fastest to wind down and restructure their gaming business while N/Sony and now valve always try to find ways to sale you a platform, games, provide some unique experience.
So I think long term the best bet would be steam or Sony + switch on the side.
Re: Silent Hill: Townfall Not Coming To Xbox At Launch, Along With A Few Other State Of Play Titles
@Fiendish-Beaver if xboxPC offers true console experience and PC freedom - I will be standing next to you day 1 in the line to get it.
However, I have a lot of evidence (plus lack of trust of MS) that it will be more of a PC first with some improvements to make it “feel like” console but will be far from SX or PS5.
Here is a thing - I really decided to embrace MS vision when I bought ally x. I also thought maybe if I only play within xbox interface (full screen experience) and only play my xbox (pc) games then I can avoud the faff. Man I was greatly mistaken.
Issues starts when you launch the device with 50% of the time lock screen having issues. Then you would think game pass games will work no problem? Try launching diablo 4, jedi survibor and assassins creed - do you know what happens? Yes you will get redirected to battle net, ubisoft app and ea play app. Again half wont open automatically, and overall it will be slow.
And cherry on top is you get more fps on bazzite in same games…
This experience completely killed my interest and trust in xboxPC.
If they do just series X 2 console - initially I thought I would buy it but then whats the point as it will flop guaranteed and sales matter for consoles. The only real benefit of their PC direction - sales wont matter and at its worst you can just have a regular PC windows gaming experience - which is fine if you are ok with PC.
If you are console mindset first - stay away.
Long-term I just dont see them having a platform at all except cloud as PA will die with the series gen in 5-7 years and GP is already going downhill. I just dont understand what they can offer over steam/PS/N if you are gamer…
Re: Silent Hill: Townfall Not Coming To Xbox At Launch, Along With A Few Other State Of Play Titles
@Fiendish-Beaver sure based on leaks xbox will be more powerful than ps6 but does it matter if experience is meh? We know for a fact that any console beats playing on PC in terms of simplicity and no faff.
Especially for you I dont think few extra fps worth it if you need to mess with your xboxPC and solve windows issues with a controller from the couch.
For example it took me 1 week to wipe out my xbox rog ally x and get bazzite OS (steamOS essentially) as its WAY better experience. And its still worse imo than PS5/SX. Thats how big of a difference windows PC gaming is vs consoles.
Man as a console person I definitely forgot how frustrating is windows PC…
If I would make a bet today, most (including you) after using xboxPC will happily go to PS6.
Again for now there is more evidence of next xbox being same as rog ally x rather than its own unique system like series s/x.
Whether for the best version possible - thats only on high end PC which will be even more expensive due to ram issues…
Re: Silent Hill: Townfall Not Coming To Xbox At Launch, Along With A Few Other State Of Play Titles
@OldGamer999 @ilyn its an interesting topic about sony exclusivity. Technically sure they can stop all 3rd party exclusivity whatsoever. And they can only keep core franchises from xbox.
However sony created a new problem for themselves - PC. Notice how all conversations in past 2 years shifted from xbox vs ps5 to PC vs ps5? Especially as there are Pcs under 1000 and we have a more expensive ps5 PRO at 750, which narrows the price gap. Plus steam machine this year.
So the new problem for sony will be when launching ps6 - why buy it (aside from fans) if games will be cross gen and exclusives launch in a year on PC?
I think they will need to change strategy and dial down on exclusives ports to PC if they want to push ps6 consoles…
Re: Silent Hill: Townfall Not Coming To Xbox At Launch, Along With A Few Other State Of Play Titles
@Fiendish-Beaver another game you will play on ps5 PRO the list seems to be growing.
Re: Silent Hill: Townfall Not Coming To Xbox At Launch, Along With A Few Other State Of Play Titles
@TheGameThrifter exactly. This only works if everyone does it. Otherwise whoever does it first suffers the most.
I dont know it was kind of expected.
I remember that we were discussing this in 2024 and I think consensus was - either port out some games (for example older games), or have a proper 1 year exclusivity window for all games. Or there was an opinion on having core franchises (red lines) that just always exclusive and the rest can be whatever.
Either of those would be better that what we have today. We do have random 6 months exclusivity of forza 6 but seemingly its more of an exception now.
I even notice people on youtube and forums just already except all xbox games come to ps5. They are also confused with this messed approach.
If you port everything - then competitors must follow. If they dont you are screwed.
Re: Silent Hill: Townfall Not Coming To Xbox At Launch, Along With A Few Other State Of Play Titles
@OldGamer999 honestly there is no a proper solution to get your xbox games on PC. Its either full SX emulator or dual boot - both are very complicated choices.
Now seeing how they push PA, I am convinced only PA will be native download while the rest cloud only. Basically what was with xbox ally.
And while now it faced a backlash, in 2 years when people build decent PA libraries and the % of PA games becomes like 30-50, the exactly same scenario will get less backlash.
Re: Silent Hill: Townfall Not Coming To Xbox At Launch, Along With A Few Other State Of Play Titles
Fun story: my cousin in Germany wanted to buy an xbox for gta 6. He did not have a console.
He walked thru local store in Dresden to learn that they only sell ps5 and switch. He had to order xbox from official website and wait 1 month to get it. He really wanted an xbox and not a ps5 so he still did and ordered 2tb galaxy one for 600 euro.
In a couple of days he was browsing same store and that coincided with them starting a sale: they had discount for ps5 slim - just 380 euro. Guess what happened with 1 try? Yes, He walked away with a ps5 and bunch of games and cancelled his xbox order.
I talked to him recently, he bought bunch of games via psn and has ps plus. He will be buying ps6 next gen.
End of story.
Re: Silent Hill: Townfall Not Coming To Xbox At Launch, Along With A Few Other State Of Play Titles
Honestly unless you really want to embrace PC (and all pros/cons coming with it), its just safer and calmer with ps5 and ps6 next gen.
Every single year there is a big title skipping platform/delaying. BG3, wukong, dispatch and now silent hill.
I know its not the end of the world - they are many games but anyways why?
This is simply not fair for us who bought exactly same $500 machine as a competitor 5 years ago.
And 2 years ago you could say yeah but we have GP, our own exclusives (forza 5, hifi rush among the decent ones), cheaper hardware (series s) - how is it going now?
What is a real benefit now over ps5? Quick resume probably the last one…
Re: Report: Xbox Working With OEMs To Build Next-Gen Options For 'A Range Of Price Points'
@Fiendish-Beaver chances are higher with every report that they follow asus xbox ally path. This means all the windows faff from the couch but with a controller.
It also still unclear if backward compatibility will be native and not cloud+PA only like on ally.
Its getting more and more clear its essentially windows PC that works with a controller designed for Tv. Whether good or bad you decide but I would bet money it will be worst experience among all consoles and steamOS but indeed offer the most flexibility.
And yes doesnt seem like it will have unique features so your current pc might be good already and become xboxpc in 2 years.
Honestly the more we discuss it and the more comments I see from you, I tend to believe you have to move on with PS5 PRO-PS6 and call it a day. Just keep your SX and use it for games you already own.
Re: Report: Xbox Working With OEMs To Build Next-Gen Options For 'A Range Of Price Points'
@kmtrain83 the only 2 benefits with console/PC hybrid is it will be fully operational with a controller (launching, navigating UI, turning off) and it should support your existing game library on xbox.
However both features presumably will be available on any windows machine which means there is no benefit if you already have a powerful PC.
This is where I get confused because I initially thought xbox FSE would be exclusive to licensed devices like asus rog ally but its confirmed the rollout is this year for windows. I think its already in beta if you want it today
Re: Report: Xbox Working With OEMs To Build Next-Gen Options For 'A Range Of Price Points'
Can someone explain how exactly they are going to see growth in PC market? These xboxPCs or whatever will be very niche market. You are telling me they have more chances to beat steam on PC market than playstation on the console market? This PC growth will be offset by losses from console business.
Basically, they are abandoning 50-60M console market (active series + xbox one users) for maybe 20M if lucky of those xboxPC combined across MS own and partnered. And on consoles people are forced to buy GP core at least to play online games, which converts to more people opting to more expensive tiers (“I am paying for core anyway, might as well get premium/ultimate” logic) and on top of that all purchases are locked into xbox store. On these PCs people will be less subbing for GP and less spending in xbox app.
The only benefit I see for Ms is to get rid of those R&D costs, distribution and console marketing in future generations.
Re: Report: Xbox Working With OEMs To Build Next-Gen Options For 'A Range Of Price Points'
@Cakefish yes I saw that. “Will maintain compatibility with existing library” - does it say natively? Does it say with full library?
Cloud streaming is not an option for me and you but does MS care? Why do you think they started pushing play anywhere so hard lately?
I am not convinced at all until I see it.
Re: Report: Xbox Working With OEMs To Build Next-Gen Options For 'A Range Of Price Points'
It baffles me that people just want to believe in miracles that somehow there will be THE device to rule them all: as good as PC and as convenient as a console but its nothing more than a dream or vision rather than a reality…
MS can probably get a piece of pre-built PC market but definitely they are losing console audience and general PC audience that likes to build their own machines.
Re: Microsoft Apparently 'Expects' The Xbox Series Era To Last, Despite Next-Gen Plans
@Gabe250 steam machine will happily take that niche this year.
Re: Microsoft Apparently 'Expects' The Xbox Series Era To Last, Despite Next-Gen Plans
@IOI yeah. I have GP till 2027 and then thats it.
I dont want to keep investing in xbox maybe except gta 6.
I am deciding though if I should go with steamOS (eaither steam machine or 3rd party licensed) or PS5-PS6 and thats a tough choice.
Re: Report: Xbox Working With OEMs To Build Next-Gen Options For 'A Range Of Price Points'
@Cakefish no one ever confirmed native backwards compatibility to be honest. Chances are they say play anywhere and the rest is cloud as backwards compatibility. They are extending series s/x gen and that will be the response if you want to keep your xbox versions on the xbox consoles.
Re: Report: Xbox Working With OEMs To Build Next-Gen Options For 'A Range Of Price Points'
I called it last year that we will get something from partners like asus. There is no coincidence they already presented an xbox-style asus controller that without a doubt will be coming with their own asus xboxPC.
I also suspect this can happen this year as well given the impressive (without any sarcasm) lineup this year.
And as expected chances for real xbox-PC hybrid that has full native compatibility with xbox games and has some unique features are getting slimmer with every report. We are definitely seeing just pre-built PC with badge and the only benefit is working with a controller from the box (although its not clear how comfortable it will be dealing with windows issues from a couch with a controller).
After I tried rog xbox ally I realized I dont want this experience and I dont have faith they can fully change how windows works with it in just 2 years…
Re: Report: Next Year Is 'Best Case Scenario' For New Xbox Console, Microsoft Still Unsure On Price
Next xbox is just a windows PC with xbox controller. I dont even believe native backward compatibility at this point. Prob PA+cloud similar to ally
Re: Report: Microsoft Is In The Early Stages Of 'Expanding' Xbox Game Pass
GP is cooked at this point. They will just add cloud tier and everything else is either too expensive or useless. PC GP is too good now at $16 - a 100% change is coming soon.
Overall, I think what started as a cool concept and was cheap (it launched at $10) kinda became a commitment now or just not worth it for most players.
All the stackings and conversions schemes are nerfed/will be further nerfed.
Definitely a change in a strategy where GP is not a main thing anymore - just a side dish for diehards
Re: 'We've Been Talking To Microsoft' - Epic Games Wants Its Store On The Next Xbox Console
@Fiendish-Beaver i think MS are hugely mistaken thinking most console players want anything to do with PC. While I see a lot of enthusiasts like us interested in this idea, casual player just doesnt need it. They will always choose the least resistance and convenience and the price over anything else.
So in the next 5-10 years MS gonna lose 50M console share (between series and xbox one gens) for I would say a 1/3 of it that will actually convert to xboxPC or just PC but favour xbox app due to GP and PA.
Then revenues will fall when they realize no one cares about all that and wants a bigger library, better discounts with steam.
So I think in 10 years only publishing and cloud will be sustainable with GP likely being just an entry into cloud.
If you think about it its funny they are running away from sony and consoles where they had every opportunity to get market share (and hence more revenues and more GP subs) to the PC market that is dominated by steam for at least 15 years. The only reason I see is they just dont want to deal with consoles whatever the opportunity cost might be and any exit is fine. PC path seems the lotical one but I would argue then xbox app should have exclusives (so games not available in steam) and GP should be priced aggressively
Re: 'We've Been Talking To Microsoft' - Epic Games Wants Its Store On The Next Xbox Console
@themightyant yes there will be backwards compatibility. Now the key part - did they officially confirm NATIVE compatibility with our xbox versions of games?
They also claim rog ally plays your xbox games with an asterisk being only play anywhere and the rest are streamable.
It will be really hard to create something like proton that took valve many years, it will also he hard make a proper SX emulator and it also confusing for player to have any dual boot.
None of these options are easy to implement. Now the main question- why do you think they push Play anywhere so actively? It exists for 10 years but only last year it became an actual topic, they now mention it on their xbox presentations. So my theory is they bank on us having a sizeable PA library by the time next gen launches so its gonna be not 5-10% like right now but 30-50% and its gonna be easier to swallow the fact backward compatibility is only for PA and the rest is cloud.
Sorry but I iust think they will go the easiest way which is get rid of consoles and xbox OS, promote xbox FSE on PC and try to convince us “its the same” (its not) as your xbox.
There is just no magic pill to suddenly have best of PC and xbox console in 1 device.
Yes FSE is awfull. I am a xbox rog ally x owner and I uninstalled windoes compleyely in a week. Neither GP nor play anywhere convinced me to tolerate bad UI and UX
Re: 'We've Been Talking To Microsoft' - Epic Games Wants Its Store On The Next Xbox Console
@Fiendish-Beaver the GPU increase to 30 is like a loud statement that they dont believe in this service anymore long-term. Of course GP will stay, at least for cloud tier. But the day 1 tier will either cease to exist or will be getting price hikes all the time while mid tier like premium will be there to look like “good middle ground”. It doesnt cost alot to put a bunch of older games into a sub.
I am also convinced PC GP will soon be removed or replaced mimicking other tiers - so PC would be just included in other tiers. They sure dont want to give you day 1 games for $16. Btw PC GP is already quietly hidden in the xbox GP tiers overview when you try to sub.
Of course with the PC extension going forward GP core will lose subs as the sole purpose is online and it will be free, other tiers will lose popularity due to amount of ways to save money on PC (steam sales, gog, illegal ways, epic games, keys). The reason why GPU worked when it was like $15 because you still need it for online on a console and also you get a lot of games on top. On PC naturally there is less appetite for any subscription
Re: 'We've Been Talking To Microsoft' - Epic Games Wants Its Store On The Next Xbox Console
@Fiendish-Beaver @themightyant I think people get carried away with what this xboxPC will be able to do. Having all
PC freedom plus console stability and convenience is just a dream or vision. The console by definition as a device exists because its near impossible to have all PC bells and whistles and make them work properly.
I am not sure why everyone keep’s guessing while its clear as day xbox FSE on windows 11 is what would be featured on next xbox.
Every week there is a patch or update and its
Expected to roll out in 2026 for regular windows 11. Do you think MS is secretly brewing a completely different OS just for this xboxPC that will sell 10M lifetime if we are lucky?
Regarding steam on xbox FSE - its currently very convenient. Its pinned in the xbox button menu, it has big picture mode - there is 0 problem going into steam on xbox rog ally (and soon on any windows pc).
And no xbox app so far is not even remotly good enough to entice people over steam but I agree in 2 years it can be improved.
Re: Rumour: New Xbox Console Won't Release Until At Least Late 2027, Could Be Delayed Further
@OldGamer999 I think what makes the choice easier is if you want console first (not cloud or PC or else) you have to go with PS or N because consoles is their bread. Especially after Sony spun off their TV business.
Another part it - yea I was always for GP for 6 years but not at the new price point. I also have it stacked till 2027 but I already know I will not sub. To be more precise I am fed with subscriptions and dont want a gaming sub at all - so PS plus will be a no for me as well.
I think things like controller and quick resume are very small in grand scheme of things. Quick resume might not arrive in next xboxPC as it will be windows based or maybe ps6 will have it too. As for controller - you can get xbox-style 3rd party for ps5 and call it a day.
Re: Rumour: New Xbox Console Won't Release Until At Least Late 2027, Could Be Delayed Further
@OldGamer999 yeah another option is just to play on series s/x up until cross-gen era ends. And its predicted by many to be even longer than this gen. But basically 3-4 years after PS6 release that puts us into 2032+ territory. Then decide on how market will be as things are changing fast.
The only downside is you will be investing all these years into xbox console versions of games thare are not guaranteed to work on windows (unless its a play anywhere title) and if you know already you are leaning towards PS next gen, might as well get your ps5 today
Re: Rumour: New Xbox Console Won't Release Until At Least Late 2027, Could Be Delayed Further
I think xbox basically would be just a small piece of pc gaming. Along with pc handhelds, laptops, steam machines, licensed steamOS machines. But basically you would be choosing between steamos and windows on your PC.
If you want a console - only PS or Nintendo going fotlrward.
If you dont own xbox console - dont buy it. If you have one - either sell asap for ps5 and start build library there or (if you plan to keep xbox long-term) just play it until ps6 and then go to PS.
Re: Rumour: New Xbox Console Won't Release Until At Least Late 2027, Could Be Delayed Further
@IOI @kmtrain83 @Fiendish-Beaver @themightyant well we can be sure next xbox console (similar to series s/x) is not happening. Which is something we were not even discussing in 2024 even after the “just 4 games”. I remember the sentiment was “what happens to xbox AFTER next xbox” and no one questioned that we will have at least 1 proper generation after series.
Yet look at how fast things changed.
I think it will be gradual transition from today (mostly consoles) to cloud and publishing only (the only 2 successful divisions).
From consoles they will move to xboxPC then to xbox licensing similar to xbox ally. At some point they will see decreased revenues from xbox app on PC and GP (that will keep losing subs) and then we are at the point where there is no platform. Or better say xcloud woult be the only platform. And obviously publishing in more popular stores like steam, psn, eshop.
Re: Capcom Is Delivering Another Early-Year Xbox Treat This Month With The Latest Resident Evil
@Fiendish-Beaver my ps5 PRO (I got one on the release) was the only console out of all I own that had issues with wi-fi. It was losing connection all the time to the point it started to bother me. After spending almost 1000 CAD on it - it was not the experience I was expecting.
Then I was not impressed with PRO updates. It always seemed like I had to google/youtube whats the difference vs base ps5. If difference is not noticeable right away, then whats the point.
Lastly I did not need the 2TB drive while the absence of disc drive was noticeable.
Overall I was dissatisfied for what it offered at this price point and returned it. Base ps5 + SX is enough for me this gen.
Tho maybe upcoming PSSR patch will make things different as well as devs doing a better job.
Re: Xbox Series X|S Ranked 5th In List Of Platforms Developers Are Most Interested In
@wittedbugle to add to that Phil quote, console-first users were historically always starting next gen fresh when games were not cross-gen. It was never a thing to buy a new console to play old games. It was a PC thing but you are benefiting from your hardware directly.
And of course I dont understand what stops a person from keeping the xbox s/x and then buy ps6 and get new games there while still using xbox when needed.
Re: Xbox Series X|S Ranked 5th In List Of Platforms Developers Are Most Interested In
@eduscxbox 1) “microsoft is not trying to win over PS and switch” - this is bad for us xbox console players that we ve been for 25 years. Only since 2024 and even 2025 it suddenly became irrelevant where you play and that everythint is an xbox.
2) there was a poll on purexbox - these are irrelevant as they show opinion of loud enthusiasts (that we are all in fact are). Average player does not sit on gaming forums. So you can call it survivorship bias.
3) steam os in fact has a better experience- there is steam deck and steam Os handhelds like lenovo legion. Desktop experience wont be any different. In fact you can try it with bazzite (essentially an unofficial steam os) already. Sure could be minor issues here and there on release but they dont need to solve fundamental issues that windows have.
4) if you are on series s that you got because it was cheap/or as gift for example and you arent heavily invested in GP or PA, then in a year or so switch 2 will be a solid option as it has comparable specs (slightly less power but has newer tech like dlss) and its getting MS games and multiplatform games but as well offer unique experiences due to exclusives, joycons and hybrid form factor.
5) library - most people dont have sizable library. Again you are looking at enthusiasts and projecting on the whole market. There was a ridiculous stat that average console player has less than 10 paid games per generation and doesnt have subscription. These people will easily jump to ps6 when they see xboxPC price.
Overall yeah I agree for diehard hardcore fans if you are heavy into GP and PA - sure xboxPC is your choice. However with the asterisk - if you have a sizable xbox console library that is not PA (which is 80-90% usually of yiur library btw) - there was no official quote that these will work natively on your xboxPC. All we know they “are committed to backward compatibility” but its a vague statement.
6) you are commentint many times as investor or MS manager saying in the lines of “microsoft doens want this or that or they will earn money by this or that”. It seems you are tryint to defend them at all times.
7) to your last paragraph- the problem is thats a lot of IFs and us wanting vs reality. Sure give me OS that is as stable as console xbox OS, has access to all PC features and all xbox games natively run on windows - I will be the first in line for xboxPC - but lets not fool ourselves as its just too good to be true …
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@Fiendish-Beaver @IOI a fun thought but If I buy steam machine this year it will have “play anywhere” with all the steam titles I own on my xbox rog ally running steam os (bazzite)…
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@IOI my problem is similar to @Fiendish-Beaver as I am heavily invested into xbox. Tho its not in the sheer library but I have 2 xbox SX on 2 floors and utilize the cross-save feature alot. I also have GP till 2027. I dont collect discs and dont like to double dip (aka buying same game on multiple devices/stores) so I will be maining xbox until then extracting value from GP and games I already owned. And its a solid year for GP if you have it prepaid at good prices.
I even bought xbox rog ally x and was planning to embrace all the Play anywhere and the whole ecosystem - I legit gave MS every single chance as I am an open minded and like the idea overall - but man thats the core problem - its just an idea or vision for future. For now windows on handheld even certified xbox rog ally - its a terrible experience despite the possibilities it provides. I wanted to return it but I decided to install bazzite os (similar to steamos) and its been amazing so far. Minimum faff or issues and asus built an amazing handheld from hardware standpoint. That was my personal final nail in the coffin when I realized that neither GP nor Play anywhere was important when the experience is annoying and frustrating- again its just me. Its also in my eyes even worse for handheld because I get it when you sit at the desktop with MKB and mess around but not when you have 20 min to play during a day on a handheld abd you just want it to work seamlessly.
Now this made me question - hold on if xboxPC will just be windows PC with FSE simular to ally - how am I supposed to deal
With these issues with controller from the sofa? Like its common when only touch screen works on ally and you need to tap on some error to close it…
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@eduscxbox I think you are missing the point (and same with MS) that xbox potential customers are mostly people with an xbox today or who had it in the past. The backlash to the brand is really high right now so whoever is with Nintendo or PS or with steam - they wont bother with all these xbox-PC.
By introducing all these xboxPCs at high prices you push existing customers away to the competition. You have a PC OS with better experience- steam Os that is launching this year. You have playstation and nintendo already (and switch 2 also could be a good option for someone who played on series s).
I think they can only find some audience in the cloud but its too early for that, probably a decade too early for this technology to replace native gaming.
And since you are so concerned about their profits - sure they will likely have slim margin form each xboxpc sold but we all agree they wont sell many units. The software side - not many seem to be interested in $30 game pass. Then you are losing audience who were paying directly on consoles as now most people on xbox pc will be going to steam and other store fronts and MS get 0. Play anywhere will cease to exist the moment series consoles stop getting new games as any pc handheld has “play anywhere” for all titles if you access them from desktop pc.
Again only cloud is an additive.
I kinda see them becoming successful with cloud and publishing but not PC and obviously not consoles
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@Fiendish-Beaver to your #61 comment. Spencer wanted exclusivity and GP. He actually understood the business and need for both. GP was priced aggressively at that time and all bethesda games were exclusive after acquisition.
However, 1st is gone now, 2n will be dead in several years in its current form. Prob just as cloud access and maybe 1st party but no 3rd party.
Satya and Amy only care about publishing now as its the only stable revenue driver.
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@Weebleman @Fiendish-Beaver @IOI its insane that pretty much xbox series X is the last proper xbox. With such console hardware results, 0 marketing and such - its just clear - we are never getting another xbox console. Let it sink.
Sure we will have some xbox-branded hardware but it will be running windows or be cloud-based. I dont know why people keep thinking there is some hybrid or designated game mode on windows or else in development where clearly all they do is FSE and cloud improvements. Next gen will work exactly like rog xbox ally and we are lucky if we can get series emulator to migrate our libraries but I dont think they will bother as they push PA for that.
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@eduscxbox how console is different:
1) yes running “custom” OS - not full windows with an overlay on top.
2) a subsidized device that keeps the price low.
3) every game in store will run without any tweaking and is guaranteed to work (sure might be at less fps/resolution than capable PC but it will be playable at the very minimum) and also run natively with a controller.
4) unique features whether dualsense features or even quick resume on xbox SX that is not in windows.
5) exclusives. While its also true that PC exclusives exist but these are usually in indie sector. In the AA or AAA space exclusives are only with PS/N and previously xbox consoles
Just because Satya said that its the same thing now - it did not became true. We still see 300M+ market for consoles hardware even if its not growing or “future” - its thriving.
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@eduscxbox extending your logic further - so my PC is also ubisoft-box, capcom-box and Playstation (as I can acces their games in steam) and so on?
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@eduscxbox you can buy a pre-built PC or even laptop. This market is huge right now.
And to echo @weebleman why are we calling these devices an xbox? Because MS said so or because logo will be slapped?
You dont even need crystal ball that many people on PC will use steam as main store. So if someone buying “xbox” just to play in steam big picture - what is MS benefit and what is a benefit from it being an “xbox” to player.