None of this is surprising, as they have had less and less owned IP, console exclusive and now mostly zero completely exclusive games to Xbox consoles which are BRAND NEW releases.

I like that Xbox wants more people to play their games but if they want to sell more and more consoles they have to at least have NEW AA OR AAA 8/10+ scored reviewed console exclusives 2-3 times EVERY YEAR. Otherwise a console exclusive "streamer" game that takes off in sales or is on GamePass. They had one this year Palworld, that's it.

Xbox has frankly done NONE of that is 3-5 years at this point. Reap what you sow Microsoft.

@Nexozi tbh besides the rare and few Xbox ecosystem owned IP there isn't much that doesn't mirror or come to PS+ a few months later.
How do I know? I've had both for the last two years and most of the same 3rd in party games come to both services.

Gotham City Imposters (already delisted on PC)
Double Dragon II (3d exclusive, I know it's crap but I want to experience how bad it truly is)
NIN2-JUMP
Legend of Spyro

Maybe SFxT DLC
Otherwise I'm done.

Noob, Conan, & T-1000....

Not saying this is the reason buying GamePass is a bad idea but like I did for the last 3 years I bought ahead and didn't exactly get my money's worth. Somes months I definitely did but most months I played games I purchased not on GamePass.

Delaying games are definitely are necessary (especially this one where they are living and working in war zones) but in turn it can affect the worth of the short term of GamePass.

I'll just be buying this game after reviews if it pans out to be worth it. They can take all the time they need to finish it.

Nothing really anything as not much available I don't already own or haven't played on Xbox that is released on GamePass. Would have bought DQ11S but it is on PS+. It's a good deal at $23.

@tho_mi You should be the marketing at Xbox, it would turn around the brand. For real no joke.

It isn't worth the time to play single player, one of the worst COD campaigns. I think the reason to give it on GamePass is to give something attached to Call of Duty name and likely it's worst selling for the three of the new Modern Warfare games.

Smart from a marketing perspective and to say they are doing something nice before BLOPS 6, but if you think about it's a petty move for the consumer. It would be better to give MW1 or MW2.

It's worth time in multiplayer but that's about it.

@ValentineMeikin this game is not on MT Framework, this is an SNK game. Not even the same developers. Capcom is only part of SVC Chaos due to IP sharing with SNK. Why do people keep thinking this is a Capcom made game?

SF6, Monster Hunter Rise, Resident Evil 4, and Monster Hunter Wilds are all on Xbox Series consoles.

@NORTHERN_beat then a Darksiders-like. It's basically that but just not a satisfying time from a basic feeling. Games of the past that did it much better. Especially Darksider 2.

Both look awesome, too bad there isn't a DeadPool & Wolverine tie in video game (I miss those cheesey floaty games from the past) to come along with these.

Sucks they are hard covers not squishy like a real butt.

@Decoy_Snake yep and not even sell them! Advertisements for not even sold items, sounds like a waste of $ if you ask me.

Honestly the look and story seemed interesting but something is a bit amiss with the player movement speed. Unfortunately it throws me off all the time even though the gameplay combat actions and traversal mechanics are good/better. Sad, I'm just gonna quit as I wanted to like it.

They went for a hybrid souls-like with shooting and it just feels off from a general walk perspective, similar to Remnant 1&2 (if you like those you might like this one). How they could mess up the most important function of a game is beyond me. Other souls-like's like Lords of the Fallen (though it has a combat sound issue) managed to not mess up with the general aspects of gameplay/movement and I'd suggest play it instead as it's also on GamePass.

@Banjo- Code Mystics has their own engine, isn't Capcom so no access to MT Framework.
As well this is a SNK arcade original NEO GEO game, not a Capcom made game AT ALL, lots of misconceptions here.

The only thing Capcom has to do with SVC Chaos is the IP usage. Same but the opposite for SNK for Capcom vs SNK games. Capcom made but SNK IP usage.

Anyways it is likely the same issues as MT Framework but from Code Mystics side. Not that there is ZERO support for Xbox One generally, Blacks Ops 6 is coming to XB1. Code Mystics haven't done anything with their engine tech (Prometheus) on Xbox since at GoldenEye 007 that came out on January 2023.

Sounds like a plan/request issue via SNK if I had to give an opinion as we know City of the Wolves is coming to Series consoles.
A "more trouble than it was worth for profit outcome" on Xbox, sucks.

And the store is down on Series, One, 360 and web in the US. I guess MSFT doesn't want my money.

@OldGamer999 I assume with Sarah saying "powerful hardware" we will see if it's a traditional local box within 2025. Early 2025 if it comes end of 2026 or late 2025 if it's coming more in the 2027 timeframe.

@JonBoyJ @GamingFan4Lyf it's only convenient because the form factor and the singular storefront otherwise when accessories required to play games over many years becomes more or equal to the cost of a PC it can no longer make sense (Series propriety SSD cards).

If you can use a console within a few hundred $ of accessories in its lifetime it will likely be cheaper than PC but that all depends on how you purchase games: day one/wait for sale, disc sales, etc. If you budget and wait it's absolutely cheaper, though if you day one digital 4-6 games a year over 5 years you will creep into PC spending territory due to how much cheaper day 1 or sale PC games are vs console.

@abe_hikura yep and exciting new games. looks up at the clouds

@HonestHick GTA6 will boost Series and PS5 tremendously, and the bump also this week and ongoing for College Football 25 will be a good boost for console sales since there isn't a PC version.

The thing about it is if games are console only at launch it helps consoles sales much more than if there is a PC version of the game, it just is how it is now.

You either make exclusives, console exclusive and/or console launch exclusives or console sales suffer. It's just that simple. Or your an aging console like Switch that is in a dire need for a successor launched.

This is a potential great feature that could save GBs of space!

Until Dawn and The Quarry both were great times. I just hope this turns out more in that vain and not like the Dark Pictures games.

There was nothing new added to the 360 list just looked it over, EXTREMELY disappointed.

This just days after 'you don't need an Xbox console' messaging for the Fire Stick. xCloud via Fire Stick doesn't even run as good as a local Series S quality, input, or framerates.

Yeah Microsoft we do need an Xbox console if we want a premium or even DECENT experience.

Even with playing the first game, the work on keeping closed off walking areas very cramped that just show off the graphics was much more tiring much faster than the 1st game. As well as the puzzles it became too much simplified and repetitive.

The concept to get out something a bit different fell too short, even with some interesting scenery.
The combat ended up being basically exactly the same which wasn't exactly a strong point in the first.

Not sure why they spent so much time focusing on the bog standard story when the first game was an interesting/weird personal mental quest.

It was very average and well below average experience at the same time but was beautiful to see only at very specific points (non playable cinematics)

Xbox needs to get away from this type of thing and bring back the very gamey games that you want to stick with (or at least is way out with way too much information & story there that you want to replay) not these more 'walking simulator' style games without hardly any actions or gameplay systems to find interesting. This was a one and done.

@BAMozzy It's not confusing to us in the know but it still is worrying more will be changed on a whim and/or prices will rise again. After they just did for inflation. Now this is the COD tax. What will happen next year the Perfect Dark, Fable or Gears of War tax? The problem is Microsoft clear lack of good communication, it always has been and seems like they will continue tradition. I'm not here nor happy to continue to reward them with $3 increase a month personally to see them continuing to muddy the waters. But that's my own personal opinion. I'll still game on Xbox, buy disc games and digital sales. Though I'm done just forking over the money for Ultimate. I'll wait for reviews and sales.

Flintlock & Kunitsu-Gami: Path of the Goddess the only two games I'm interested in trying before my GPU expires at the end of the month.

Played Neon White months ago on other platforms because it already released there and not on Xbox. Great game though, I highly recommend it to anyone that likes fps/arcade/time trial games.

Too late for most of us. I've gotten most COD physically at dirt cheap prices to play the campaign years ago.

Physical on Xbox for no preorder cost yes, digital? Only at discounts for PC from Fanatical or Green Man.

From the Xbox or Steam official stores for Xbox games at full cost? Yeah, no that ship has sailed.

I can see how it's still worth $20 for Ultimate for many people but I'm tired of the changes. I just dropped down to Core & got 3 years of cards for Core for $140 total ($4 a month/12 cents a day). I'll buy discs and a la cart digital games on sales now and still have the same experience. I'm done with the shenanigans by Microsoft. Mid 2027 should be about time or after next gen Xbox will be known/available and see if Series consoles will be my last Xbox.

@PKDuckman This is exactly what they (Microsoft) are trying to do as they have seen sales of games decline for full software vs PS/Nintendo. Smart in some ways, but for the Xbox player it's more annoying that a "whole package" experience is becoming less and less likely these days. Well unless it's like say DQ3, MGS∆ or DRDR, which are all remasters/remakes. The brand new game experience like those bigger games is frankly disappearing on Xbox the longer we go on. Really depressing. I guess we have Indiana Jones and Perfect Dark coming 🤷

Great game, I still have a Bloodwake disc but it isn't BC on 360 nor Series X...for no apparent reason. Unless Stormfront Studios IP ownership was too difficult to sort out in the past. Now that DOESN'T make sense as they were part of Sierra Entertainment whom was owned by Activision and now in turn owned by Microsoft directly.

So Microsoft/Xbox division needs to get on with another round of BC added from all the Activision licenses. It's been quite a while.

@FraserG Fair point, though so far this generation it seems like digital sales cannot compete with disc sale prices. Minus the current EoL Xbox 360 digital sale prices as they are vastly cheaper than most 360 discs. Cannot wait to see what is on sale on July 16th for the end will be like for the 360 marketplace.

Besides Lost Odyssey (a 360 game) there is nothing here that isn't cheaper via a disc purchase. Tekken 8 is $34 on Amazon, South Park Snow Day is $19 as well.

I hate to the lame duck but if this is a sign of what is to come with Xbox sales in only all digital future of consoles then this sucks.

If we want better sales to exist for we better start rethinking digital sales for disc sales on Xbox as priority, otherwise bye bye discs and actual better sale prices.

I'd rather Xbox division not give up on physical it's the place I'd rather play overall. If they give up on discs next generation okay, then go the route of cartridges then. If they don't then the message will be they don't care about preservation of our purchases. They may care about games living on but not customer ownership.

It seems the following forced this to happen:
1. GamePass and not buying games
2. Some Smart Delivery discs only having Xbox One versions of games.
3. Lastly the worst is most Series X only game discs not having a full playable build on a disc. This right here + missing on SD games killed disc sales. (I believe someone said it's Switch 50%, PS 40%, and Xbox 10% of physical sales currently).

It seems like it was planned after GamePass really took off. For me I really need to have an external disc drive option for all previous games for next generation hardware (if it's digital only) otherwise it will be a hard sell. I'll just put that new console cost towards a new graphics card for the PC where I can potentially own some games.

Today games like LaD: Infinite Wealth are keeping me in Xbox ecosystem with Xbox/PC support on 1 purchase cost. That's truly the only benefit currently for digital Xbox ecosystem games.

2-3 of them should but they better have at least two for sure with dates otherwise what is coming in 2024 first party? Sounds like maybe nothing then unless we get another shadow drop game.
My bet is Ara and Hellblade II will have exact dates but Avowed who knows if Summer/Fall or exact date. Indy probably is the one that just has a general info like Fall/Winter 2024.

No real 60fps without the disc and No Arkham Origins still pisses me off to this day (Especially because it is THE BEST Arkham game and the multiplayer was so fun, rip).
It's really a crime these games were released in such a state.

On Xbox, play more SF6 and finish up QII.
Otherwise honestly not buy games unless something truly great comes out soon (likely Dragon's Dogma 2 and Metaphor ReFantazio in the fall).
I'll really just be trying GamePass games and play older games I've already purchased.

When I heard 2026 rumor for new Xbox generation it feels like it makes more sense every day not seeing many "I have to play this game" games coming out even without seeing a game showcase yet for 2024 dates for Avowed and Hellblade II. Tbh I'm ready to move on eariler then supersede a PS5 Pro with more features and power.

The only one that feels like a 10 is Quake II, due to its extensive content.
I loved RE4R but something about it felt too long, some of the content could have been cut and it would have been bit better. Maybe I just wish the Ava content was built into the main campaign.
Sea of Stars? I've tried to get into it's and maybe it's just not for me, yet Chrono Trigger is one of the best games of forever. Seems like a puzzling one as it seems too weak for some and too good for other people.

Dark smoke is the only one I'd probably buy, but hopefully they are premium materials like what Xbox One and Series consoles use. None of the cheap stuff. I'd personally consider $100 or cheaper. More is too much.

@jdwight1 Not gonna happen, they will phase out S and X before just the S is gone.
This isn't just like Kinect 2.0 where it wasn't used for games they could cut it off from being needed. This is a mandate for games to work on two different hardware. Not that different from a PS4 and PS4 Pro at the end of the day, just a different situation.

@GuyinPA75 I might not fully agree but I agree with the lack of quality games that were created for Kinect technology, even 360 Kinect.
If more games would have used a controller and the camera to create newer experiences we all might be using a camera with our consoles today.

But we just didn't get those experiences, hell I'll say we got less for Kinect than we have for VR as a whole in a few years. RE4 (twice), REVillage, Astro Rescue Mission, HL Alyx just those out shine anything we got for Kinect.

@BacklogBrad this is true especially with people making new games for old consoles. But more of is the era of most games coming to Xbox One over?

Yeah I think we are about 6 months from the end.

It's fine they still make games for Xbox One absolutely nothing wrong with that. I like Smart Delivery but not for discs because they have done such a poor job of implementing it for Series X games.
One Xbox boxed game that shares Xbox One and Series X is a stain on the physical release.
I'd love to buy more Series X games physically but simply majority of the Series X games are NOT on the disc, which is vastly different from Switch cart or a PS5 disc.

It really makes me not care about to want to get games day one anymore on the Xbox platform.
I care now more of a game is Series X and PC in one digital purchase now.

@Rmg0731 True I did the same with S at first and really having a much weaker box even for BC just isn't as good, especially Xbox One titles. Then you miss out of disc based BC some games being BC exclusive to disc versions. I like how I can still get lots of good usage of Series X even without the proposition of not using GamePass on console.

@Rmg0731 this is exactly why sometimes games are missing on Xbox, the lower projection of actual sales versus other platforms.

For someone like me that wants the best console version and sometimes like a game enough to buy a disc Xbox is slowly pushing me away from their consoles and playing GamePass more on PC only. Then the Series X is for old games and rarely a new physical offline game.

Personally, no not even close.
The only two games worth my time this year were FM and Starfield.
Also both are not worth much more than maybe 10 hours each at the state of both games.

Overall objectively it's a C due to the number of games that came first party overall, better than the last two years.

GamePass is the best and worst part of the Xbox still. Maybe 2024 "will finally be the year". But we have all be waiting since 2015 in reality.

@ValkyriaProfile Exactly treat it as the digital Blockbuster or Gamefly of renting games and that's a great mentality.

Though I think because so many high quality games have come to GamePass it has created GamePass hold out culture and possibly lowered digital game sales in a minor to medium way in the long run. With all the other platforms people don't treat their ecosystem this way. In some ways it's a turn off and sours the Xbox brand if I'm gonna be really honest. When GamePass started it didn't seem like this more of the opposite try then buy what you liked to keep.

@ValkyriaProfile Agreed it's probably another reason a few big games are still missing Xbox release at all. The fear of publishers games just won't sell due to GamePass hold out.

Hell most of my friends on Xbox, they just don't barely buy any games anymore due to "well it might come to GamePass". Two of them skipped Diablo 4 thinking it would come for free in 2023 for Blizzard buy out, and they both love Diablo it's one of their favorite franchises. Though that has also caused them to skip multiplayer games too so I just buy them on PS5 or PC instead.

I like GamePass but it definitely changed buying mentality for many people. They don't buy they just sub and pray games come to it. So Xbox misses out on 3-5 purchases for a game due to GamePass existing just myself and our friend group.

Of any of the newer Fallout games Fallout 4 is the one that should be upgraded last.

Fallout 3 and New Vegas should be the ones looked at well before. Fallout 4 is so close to 76 anyways.

Very weird decision if true.

@Microbius it's likely only due to the fact they sent Sony employees to help with production of the game to Striking Distance. They are listed in the credits. Bizarre yes but Sony loves to do weird timed exclusives.

@UndyingInsurgent95 I definitely respect an opinion of someone not liking the combat of games. Though mostly talking to other people about this game it's mainly because they don't understand it, nor are willing to try due to initial frustrations of lack of a good tutorial.
Once you get an understanding of what does work and what definitely doesn't it feels like Fight Night + Dead Space. It's combat that requires patience like a fighting game.

Again not for everyone but has been truly different from many many rehashing of samey played out gameplay games this generation.

Games like this are a reason this generation has been super interesting. Sifu, Callisto Protocol, Humanity, Flight Simulator are all so damn different and not just shoot run shoot run shoot run like most games today.

If you like the main game like I do you will like the DLC form what I've played. Though haven't completed it so no idea length.