I think the sticking point for all of these studios if sold, will probably be an insistence by xbox that any game currently being production, has to ship day and date on gamepass. That could be very off putting for potential buyers or self funders.
@Banjo- but the problem is, she doesn't have the privilege of years. It's only hardcover fans on sites like these that even know who she is. The general public have been seeing price of gamepass go up and the fact their favourite xbox games were on PlayStation. Those casual and bulk of xbox players, moved away from gamepass, moved over to PlayStation. They are not going to notice 1 game missing from their potential PlayStation library and say I am coming back. It needs to be a momentum shift for general public perception to change back and its needed now, otherwise as with xbox one, people will have their digital purchased library on PlayStation and be unwilling to move to the next xbox machine. Also, from a shareholder perception, how can they go from 5 million sales of forza 5, to suddenly losing all that revenue for a statement title like gears. It will also be interesting to see what happens cod this year with now being off xbox gamepass. Will they see a surge in sales of the game on xbox . They spoke once and got rid of the golden boy who was adored.
@Banjo- but sharing library with pc. Doesn't that half game sales in total (regardless if the are on gameplay etc). So not sure how that is healthier. Then if you steam is on helix, xbox could end up losing the 30% sales they get for third party. They would also get only 70% first party sales on steam and that's covering both pc and xbox. With ganepas being so good value for customers, that eats further into that revenue. Xbox don't retain 100% of gamepass fees as they are paying out a fortune. If they also go back exclusive they can also no longer claim the 2nd biggest third party seller because they are not selling games. I just fear from her words that they are not in a great place at the moment, how do they think Gears being the only true exclusive in 2026 and Clockwork in 2027 is going to improve this situation. They need to go full on and take the gamble. If it fails then they can fall back on ports very quickly.
Thinking of this from a financial viewpoint, if xbox was trying to say they were losing money by having COD in the gamepass even with the increase price, then simply reduceing gamepass down by the 70 quid it then takes to buy COD has two outcomes. Every subscriber buys COD day 1 means they are getting the same money as before with no difference additional income from xbox side. Or majority of xbox consumers either don't buy day one and get COD in sales, or don't buy it at all. Meaning they are getting less money overall at the same cost. I can only see these tiers having one outcome to xbox players. You will end up paying more, but for less content than you were getting now. This is not good for gaming by for developers and for gamers
@kmtrain83 explain where you can play pc native games and xbox console native games or playstaion console native games in the same box? You can play pc versions of those games but that is not the console game, it not the exact same thing. It's like saying to someone I got my old record vinyl sitting here and it came with a digital download code, so therefore i am playing my vinyl record on my phone.
So if rumours they might scrap future day one releases into ganepass, and the absolute necessity to scrap a base rate multiplayer tax payment with this being open platform. What is going to happen to gamepass? Would people still subscribe based on the above. Honest answers, not fan boy loyalism.
I will be honest as Sony fan boy. I would be conflicted with that choice. I dont do multiplayer in the common sense, I prefer solo playing, but games like destiny and division cover that itch, but they need the online tax, so to me that would be a great saving whilst still being able to play them games. However on the other hand, losing access to the back catalogue of games gained through the ps plus service would mean I still subscribe to that service to play those games.
I am trying to work out what part of this is a console, they mention console pc hybrid? Are they going to have the equivalent of a series x along with pc. Therefore having the option to play either version? At that point, who would want to play series x version compared to the pc version in same box. Hell, there is not a major want by the wider gaming population currently for series x and this is when it should be at its prime. I cant see them creating a new console and having the pc in the same box. It makes absolutely no sense and is just added cost.
If it doesn't release on PlayStation, then who is going to buy this game. If Xbox dont change their stance on Day 1 Gamepass games then, what percentage of Xbox gamers are going to buy Halo 1 for a third time, if they can just get it on subscription they have already paid for. Xbox gamers who are not subscription based, are not going to purchase Gamepass for this game alone, and if they are not already subscribers, then they are hardly going to pay day one for a Halo game they haven't already purchased previously. This game was built for playstaion, same as Gears was. I cant think many Xbox gamers had these particular remasters in mind
Haven't gone through all of the comments here, so not sure if anyone else picked up. Everyone is saying this great for free online, but if this thing is backwards compatible with previous xbox consoles, then you will be paying for multilayer to play your library of games. It sounds like this is the only way it can tackle backwards compatibility, rather than the play anywhere route. I am not xbot person myself, so would that mean you would have to purchase both console (for multiplayer) and PC gamepass?
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I think the sticking point for all of these studios if sold, will probably be an insistence by xbox that any game currently being production, has to ship day and date on gamepass. That could be very off putting for potential buyers or self funders.
Re: Asha Sharma Discusses Why Xbox Decided To Bring Back Exclusives
@Banjo- but the problem is, she doesn't have the privilege of years. It's only hardcover fans on sites like these that even know who she is. The general public have been seeing price of gamepass go up and the fact their favourite xbox games were on PlayStation. Those casual and bulk of xbox players, moved away from gamepass, moved over to PlayStation. They are not going to notice 1 game missing from their potential PlayStation library and say I am coming back. It needs to be a momentum shift for general public perception to change back and its needed now, otherwise as with xbox one, people will have their digital purchased library on PlayStation and be unwilling to move to the next xbox machine. Also, from a shareholder perception, how can they go from 5 million sales of forza 5, to suddenly losing all that revenue for a statement title like gears. It will also be interesting to see what happens cod this year with now being off xbox gamepass. Will they see a surge in sales of the game on xbox . They spoke once and got rid of the golden boy who was adored.
Re: Asha Sharma Discusses Why Xbox Decided To Bring Back Exclusives
@Banjo- but sharing library with pc. Doesn't that half game sales in total (regardless if the are on gameplay etc). So not sure how that is healthier. Then if you steam is on helix, xbox could end up losing the 30% sales they get for third party. They would also get only 70% first party sales on steam and that's covering both pc and xbox. With ganepas being so good value for customers, that eats further into that revenue. Xbox don't retain 100% of gamepass fees as they are paying out a fortune. If they also go back exclusive they can also no longer claim the 2nd biggest third party seller because they are not selling games. I just fear from her words that they are not in a great place at the moment, how do they think Gears being the only true exclusive in 2026 and Clockwork in 2027 is going to improve this situation. They need to go full on and take the gamble. If it fails then they can fall back on ports very quickly.
Re: Rumour: Xbox Might Introduce Customisable Plans For Game Pass In The Future
Thinking of this from a financial viewpoint, if xbox was trying to say they were losing money by having COD in the gamepass even with the increase price, then simply reduceing gamepass down by the 70 quid it then takes to buy COD has two outcomes. Every subscriber buys COD day 1 means they are getting the same money as before with no difference additional income from xbox side. Or majority of xbox consumers either don't buy day one and get COD in sales, or don't buy it at all. Meaning they are getting less money overall at the same cost.
I can only see these tiers having one outcome to xbox players. You will end up paying more, but for less content than you were getting now.
This is not good for gaming by for developers and for gamers
Re: Xbox Announces New 'Project Helix' Console, Says It Will Play PC Games
@kmtrain83 explain where you can play pc native games and xbox console native games or playstaion console native games in the same box? You can play pc versions of those games but that is not the console game, it not the exact same thing. It's like saying to someone I got my old record vinyl sitting here and it came with a digital download code, so therefore i am playing my vinyl record on my phone.
Re: Xbox Announces New 'Project Helix' Console, Says It Will Play PC Games
So if rumours they might scrap future day one releases into ganepass, and the absolute necessity to scrap a base rate multiplayer tax payment with this being open platform. What is going to happen to gamepass? Would people still subscribe based on the above. Honest answers, not fan boy loyalism.
I will be honest as Sony fan boy. I would be conflicted with that choice. I dont do multiplayer in the common sense, I prefer solo playing, but games like destiny and division cover that itch, but they need the online tax, so to me that would be a great saving whilst still being able to play them games. However on the other hand, losing access to the back catalogue of games gained through the ps plus service would mean I still subscribe to that service to play those games.
Re: Xbox Announces New 'Project Helix' Console, Says It Will Play PC Games
I am trying to work out what part of this is a console, they mention console pc hybrid? Are they going to have the equivalent of a series x along with pc. Therefore having the option to play either version? At that point, who would want to play series x version compared to the pc version in same box. Hell, there is not a major want by the wider gaming population currently for series x and this is when it should be at its prime. I cant see them creating a new console and having the pc in the same box. It makes absolutely no sense and is just added cost.
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If it doesn't release on PlayStation, then who is going to buy this game. If Xbox dont change their stance on Day 1 Gamepass games then, what percentage of Xbox gamers are going to buy Halo 1 for a third time, if they can just get it on subscription they have already paid for. Xbox gamers who are not subscription based, are not going to purchase Gamepass for this game alone, and if they are not already subscribers, then they are hardly going to pay day one for a Halo game they haven't already purchased previously. This game was built for playstaion, same as Gears was. I cant think many Xbox gamers had these particular remasters in mind
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Haven't gone through all of the comments here, so not sure if anyone else picked up. Everyone is saying this great for free online, but if this thing is backwards compatible with previous xbox consoles, then you will be paying for multilayer to play your library of games. It sounds like this is the only way it can tackle backwards compatibility, rather than the play anywhere route.
I am not xbot person myself, so would that mean you would have to purchase both console (for multiplayer) and PC gamepass?