@Z3u5000 Yea they're not willing to risk their reputation on new tech. Use other companies to do their testing for them and make some money while getting all the info they can.
Having just done some research and purchase of a monitor (I game on a monitor, not a TV), honestly my take-away is that the screen aspects are still in such prototype phase, it's almost silly to purchase around it. Not all games, in fact most games won't be doing 120hz. At 4k output, I imagine the majority of games aren't even going to push past 60hz, and the majority probably will stay stuck at 30hz if fan reaction to "oooh ahh, Spiderman" vs Halo is to be believed. People want spectacle first.
Most TVs that aren't $$$$$ OLED are VA panels (for the higher contrast), but VA panels have severe ghosting issues, that get worse when you run them lower than their native refresh, so even a 144hz display that has minimal ghosting/smearing @ 144Hz, if you run it at 60, or 30 (which many games will), you get a smeary mess in motion, where a 60hz display is actually smoother. TN and IPs panels don't have as much problem (or any problem, for TN) but have other problems, and TVs aren't going to be running TN unless it's the bargain basement special.
So then you end up choosing 4k or max framerate, and being stuck at 1440p or 1080p for the latter. And HDMI 2.1 equipment (switches, repeaters, matrices) etc are still rare and expensive beasts.
I settled, myself, on a 4k60 IPS display. For now, there's a lot less guess-work and "what if" stuff going on. 4k is a known, standardized quantity and the majority of games will probably target 4k60 or 4k30 for years. 2k120 is cool, but I can see that being a mess.
Of course, there's 4k 120 IPS panels out there, if you love spending $1400 on a sub-30" monitor and need no switches, repeaters, or matrices....
It's really a mess what they've done with HDMI and display tech standards. It's a hodge-podge of "future proofing" standards that's always a different standard when the future arrives.
@NEStalgia I currently play on a monitor, BenQ 1440p 120hz. I'm not sure what you mean by it being a mess? Even on the PS4 Pro that doesn't properly support 1440p it looks good. I've decided to make the switch to the CX for the new consoles. As I now work from home and want to split out my work and gaming area. There's no HDMI 2.1 equipped 4k 120hz monitors available atm. ROC have announced their line up but given no dates or prices. But considering the prices of their monitors I went for the CX with a 5 year warrenty. Previously I had bought a VA monitor that was highly rated by digital foundry for gaming and it was unplayable. Crazy backlight bleed resulting in grey pixels instead of black ones.
@Nexozi Oh I don't mean monitor play is a mess. On the contrary. What I meant though was the whole panel/display tech industry and the HDMI versioning is a total mess (TVs and monitors alike.) We went from CRTs to HDMI for x resolution. To now different versions of HDMI with different supported feature sets to feed different displays that support different sub-feature-sets often with one-off technology iterations or partial-compliance pre-release non-spec versions all making the background for the available tech. HDR is still a fragmented mess. And then most of the switches and repeaters and the like only just started supporting 2.0 in the past year or so. "Versioned TVs monitors" is a disgrace, and is bad enough. Add in partial implementation of pseudospecs that change twice a year in the industry like an active beta test and it's really a mess. I learned early on with HDMI when I "future proofed" with an early gen AVR that supported HDMI and then the HDMI version changed and I needed splitters to feed the audio ever since, that it's a mess!
That said, the BenQ 1440/120....the BenQ's are IPS panels (I believe from LG) with flat displays, not VA panels, right? Those don't have the ghosting smeariness at all. The VA panels have the smearing. Some of the newer AUO VA panels have mostly solved the ghosting - when running at native refresh, but when you drop them to 60hz the ghosting is incredible. IPS is always fine - but a 4k 120Hz IPS panel is outrageously expensive in TV land (and only one such monitor is set to exist...and it's a kickstarter from a troubled company), while 1440 is sane, about par with 4k60 panels.
Yeah, I was interested in a curved display at first. My last VA panel was an old 4:3 PMVA that was pretty so-so. The more I read on how little its improved the less I was interested. Blacker black levels would have been nice compared to IPS, but it's not worth the rest of the VA mess. VA is cool for typing, and static imagery, even 24fps film, but for gaming, I can't believe they're still selling them as gaming devices at all.
@NEStalgia Oh sorry, my mistake. Was just going to say that you shouldn't have worried about the image on the 1440p monitor. Though obviously it's not as good as 4K. If I hadn't gotten into OLED TV mode I would have gone 4K/60 monitor. The top end Gaming monitors are extremely expensive, some even more than the OLED and that's ones that don't have 2.1! So not looking forward to see what the new ones are going to cost.
Yes, the BenQ is an IPS screen. I play in a dark room but have an LED strip behind it to help with the contrast. It's been really good and a step up from a 1080p monitor I was using previously.
I'm hoping the step up in picture quality and 4K will be worth it.
Seems like HDMI 2.1 is a lot more upgradeable via firmware than previous versions. As seen with the Sony XH90.
They need to all work together on a set of standards and stick to it for everything.
I'd def be staying away from kickstarter. Some might be ok, but I'd rather buy from a established company that will/should be around to cover the warranty.
My CX 48" arrived today. Got to say its even better than I thought it was going to be. No input lag difference between it and my BenQ gaming monitor I had been using. I thought there would have been since I was going from 1440p to 4K. The picture quality is nuts. On the monitor PES 2020 looked a bit blurry, but not on this thing. Ready for the series X now.
@Nexozi I know I’ve said my piece about going against getting an OLED but I couldn’t help but look at the 65” CX on Currys website for £2,699 and that it comes with 5 year guarantee. The Q90R and C9 are not longer available to buy, they must be discontinued so I was going to go for the 65” Q95T sometime early next year and that’s currently £2,599.
Now I see the CX is at a similar price, if I were to get it I’d feel at ease knowing that I’d be covered with the guarantee and the fact that I have home contents insurance as well. As for watching sports and worrying about burn-in with static logos and stuff I can always just watch it in another room and just use the CX for gaming and general viewing.
How have you found it during the weekend? Have you calibrated it for gaming yet? I can certainly see me wanting this over anything else the day I get a new tv.
@MaccaMUFC I'd recommend going for the OLED over everything. It's unbelievable, if you play in a dark room it looks like it's floating. The fact it's true black makes such a difference. Have used it quite a bit and wouldn't want to go back to the gaming monitor. As I can't notice any input lag difference at all. I've not really done much to the TV other than make sure it's in game mode and the freesync is on and turned the OLED light down to 80. Also made sure all all the anti burn in protection was turned on like screen shift and logo luminance adjustment. Hopefully I won't need to use the 5 year warranty, but it's good to know its there. Seems like there might be another update for the freesync coming out. As the GX model has premium pro, but everything is the same between it and the CX.
Hey all,
While the name of this thread mentions TV specifically. I have a question regarding monitors and thought the next best place to ask it is here.
I am personally living in a dormitory and was looking into buying something for my small room. For context, I am currently using an almost 10yo LED monitor from BenQ which is honestly fine for all intents and purposes given its age and tech. But for a future gaming setup I am looking into an upgrade That means a display ranging from 27 to maximum 32 inches. I imagine that basically means buying a normal or gaming 4K monitor but the questions are.
1) How is the market overall? Is there any OLED tech available in this sector yet?
2) Is it possible to get both 4K and a good HDR? If yes at what price?
3) Does anyone already have any experiences using a OneX/ PS4 Pro with 27-32 inch display?
@BrilliantBill Hi, I had been using a BenQ ex2780q with the one X and PS4 pro. It's a 1440p 120hz IPS monitor. Got 2.1 speakers and a remote as well thats handy for turning it off / on and changing inputs. I'd have no issues recommending it as an alternative to a 4K monitor. BenQ as a brand is very solid. Before getting the LG CX this monitor was on a good 10+ hours a day. Its still on about 8 hours a day as I use it for my work. LG 4K monitors are meant to be good to though. Problem is there are no monitors with HDMI 2.1 yet. Which was what made me go down the 1440p route. Something you might want to wait for if you're getting the new consoles. If you're playing on a monitor in a dark room I'd recommend getting led light strips for the back of it. The black levels are not good on most monitors. I had ordered the Philips Momentum 326M6VJRMB from amazon before getting the benq. It had been rated as the best 4K monitor to go with. It was awful, what should have been black as grey right up to the center of the screen. Tried 3 of them and then got my money back. So said I wouldn't look at another VA monitor. There are no OLED monitors available and probably won't be for a while as the CX 48" is the smallest OLED size available. Monitor HDR is OK, but not great. Like if u want to get a monitor with 1000 nits it's going to be a couple of grand. Those you will still be stuck with 4K 30 until the HDMI 2.1 versions are released. Most monitors are HDR 400 or 600. I think ROG might have announced a HDMI 2.1 monitor, but can't remember seeing a price. So could be worth sticking with ur BenQ for a while longer.
@Nexozi I have been talking to different people and the opinions vary a lot. Some believed that it is just better to stick to my current monitor until I have the space and place to just get a proper TV. But in that case It effect what console I can/should pick. I don't know if Series X or PS5 have a feature that they downsample from 4K to 1080p for 1080p displays for example.
@BrilliantBill Yea if ur going to stick with your current monitor then is it worth upgrading to one of the new consoles? Previously I would have said go for a gaming monitor, but after using the OLED I honestly wouldn't go back to the monitor. Sticking with ur current setup at least all the new Xbox games will still all be playable
So maybe best just buying gamepass and just waiting until you get space for the TV and new console.
@Nexozi Actually after all the info released on Series S today it feels tempting to just pick that up and get a cost-effective solution for the time being as well.
I appreciate the help ! Thanks!
@BrilliantBill No prob. Yea, the series S is actually looking like a really good option. You should pick that up and a 1440p 120hz monitor. Be a good upgrade and 27" is probably the perfect size for 1440p.
I was lucky enough to snag an Xbox Series X the other day which I should be getting in a few weeks. I am thinking to get the most out of it I might need to up grade my TV. Current I am rocking a 47 inch 10 year old Vizio flat screen.
I was wondering if there is anything that I can get for $500 or less. It doesn't need to be as big as my current tv, but that would be nice. Any suggest will be most welcomed.
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@Xiovanni It really depends on what you are using. If you plug in an XB1S for example, the XB1S does the upscaling if you set the output to 2160p so even if a game is running at 720p, the TV is receiving an upscaled 4k image. If you use the inbuilt apps to stream content, then the TV will have to upscale lower res content to fill the screen.
Point is, most devices will upscale content to the 'maximum' output resolution it offers. If you have 4k devices for TV for example, the device will upscale SD and HD content so the TV is receiving a 4k image - the TV won't be upscaling. You can't upscale content native to the TV with an external solution - ie if you use the built in Netflix app for example. Therefore maybe its better to use any external 4k device to upscale - maybe watch Netflix on your Console instead for example or think about upgrading any 1080p (or lower) devices you may have plugged in.
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