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MaccaMUFC

@J1mmmmo I’m currently not after a new TV right now but I certainly will be sometime next year when I get the Series X. I’ll take the LG NANO91 into account when deciding which TV I want as it’s always going to be either LG or Samsung. The 65” is reasonably priced for its size and for the features it has, I’d definitely consider getting it right now if I could depending how it compares to the Q90R for blacks, input lag etc.

MaccaMUFC

Nexozi

@BlueOcean LG and Samsung are out on top again for another year. As @ThanosReXXX mentioned a while ago and is backed up by digital foundry the C9 is the best and better value than the CX. The main reason to get a CX is the smaller size. At 48" it'll fit easier on desks so can use it for consoles and PC.

Reddit seems to really be against LG nanocell TVs:

So would be interesting to get owners takes on the TV. Have you seen any ghosting or blb?

Talking about Sony TVs, this guy compares the Hisense H9G to Sony A8G OLED using Uncharted 4:

For the price of the Sony it should be destroying the Hisense.

Nexozi

ThanosReXXX

@J1mmmmo Burn-in is becoming less and less of an issue, due to more countermeasures being added all the time, in newer screens, so that should never be a reason to not buy any modern OLED or QLED TV. It should be about picture quality, blacks/contrast values, HDR and lowest input latency. We're talking about a TV for gaming here, after all...

So, overall, LG's OLED screens are the best for gaming, closely followed by Samsung's QLED's, as the Digital Foundry tests once again show.

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Xbox Gamertag: ThanosReXXX

BlueOcean

Just a reminder that C9 supports HDMI 2.1 and 120 FPS on all four HDMI ports. The only thing that C9 doesn't support is HDR10+ but HDR10 and Dolby Vision. HDR10+ was pioneered by Samsung but both Sony and LG say that it's not necessary because the same can be achieved by tone mapping features. Microsoft said that they will apply HDR to backwards compatible games. HDR is going to be a big thing next generation.

20th Century Fox, Panasonic, and Samsung developed HDR10+ but Dolby Vision is much better. The interesting thing is that 20th Century Fox, now owned by Disney, is ditching HDR10+ in favour of Dolby Vision so HDR10+ is probably doomed. HDR10, supported by all HDR TVs as far as I know, will remain but the royalty cost for Dolby Vision is less than $3 per TV. In my opinion, it looks good for Dolby Vision and I wonder if Xbox Series X and PS5 games will support both HDR10 and Dolby Vision. Does anyone know about Xbox One S/X or PS4/Pro games that support Dolby Vision?

@Nexozi Yes, that's right. LG C9 is number 1 one more year and the TV that we both chose if I remember correctly.

BlueOcean

MaccaMUFC

@ThanosReXXX The C9 is no doubt the best gaming TV for this gen and the next but the burn-in issue is still a real risk no matter how many countermeasures it has, even LG say its a possibility but they have to say that to cover their own arses. The C9 has only been out over a year so it’s still too early to say it doesn’t suffer any problems, for all we know problems such as image retention and faded pixels may arise in the next year or so.

I watch a lot of TV that have static logos on-screen like Sky Sports News, football, F1, boxing, UFC etc as well as playing games that have static HUDs so I know if I bought a C9 I’m going to have problems within the first 2 or 3 years, especially the amount the time the TV will be used on a daily basis.

MaccaMUFC

BlueOcean

MaccaMUFC wrote:

The C9 has only been out over a year so it’s still too early to say it doesn’t suffer any problems, for all we know problems such as image retention and faded pixels may arise in the next year or so.

The C9 actually uses C8 panels with better hardware and better anti-image-retention protection. I haven't heard many people complaining about C8 or C7 on the TV forums that I've read and C9 is better protected.

BlueOcean

ThanosReXXX

@MaccaMUFC No, it's not a risk, it's a minor issue that you can prevent and/or limit by using the settings specially intended for that purpose. Mind you: I'm not saying that it CAN'T happen, but I actually AM saying that it doesn't NEED to, and that it definitely shouldn't be the single most important reason for not getting an OLED or QLED screen, if that is the only real con and the pros are SO much more important than that, ESPECIALLY when it comes to gaming.

The people that test these screens, of which Digital Foundry is only one source (albeit a VERY trustworthy one), also take this into account, and STILL put LG screens at the top of their list regardless, so that alone should tell you enough.

I'm also talking from experience, because I still have an old Panasonic Viera plasma TV, and if you want to talk about actual screen burn-in, then those screens, regardless of how good they are, especially in deep blacks, are FAR worse with that phenomenon than any current gen screen, so all in all, it's a minor issue, that should not be on a list of cons. (and most reviewers also don't do that, as shown in the example of the latest Digital Foundry review, that @BlueOcean posted.)

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'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Xbox Gamertag: ThanosReXXX

ThanosReXXX

@MaccaMUFC Here's some useful and objective information on the topic, from various sources, including LG themselves (and do take note of all the positives in those articles):

https://www.lg.com/us/experience-tvs/oled-tv/reliability
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/oled-screen-burn-in-what-you-need...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2018/12/04/oled-scree...

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Xbox Gamertag: ThanosReXXX

Thretosix

MaccaMUFC wrote:

@ThanosReXXX The C9 is no doubt the best gaming TV for this gen and the next but the burn-in issue is still a real risk no matter how many countermeasures it has, even LG say its a possibility but they have to say that to cover their own arses. The C9 has only been out over a year so it’s still too early to say it doesn’t suffer any problems, for all we know problems such as image retention and faded pixels may arise in the next year or so.

I watch a lot of TV that have static logos on-screen like Sky Sports News, football, F1, boxing, UFC etc as well as playing games that have static HUDs so I know if I bought a C9 I’m going to have problems within the first 2 or 3 years, especially the amount the time the TV will be used on a daily basis.

This is why I'm personally not interested in an OLED TV. It took years for my old Panasonic Viera plasma TV to show the burn in. I was told I may be a fan of the Sony brand, not specifically but my last TV was a Sony from 2015 that has been a loyal gaming TV for me that's played 4k games at 60Hz with HDR10+ for 7 years. I have recently received a Sony XBR X900H and to me it's treating me great so far. 2 HDMI 2.1 ports not quite the 4 the C9 has but I'm not that worried about having 4 ports at the moment. 4k120, VRR, ALLM, and eARC are coming in a future firmware update, sucks it's not out of the box though. I have no doubts in Sony procuring the firmware, the Sony I bought back in 2015 said the same thing about HDR and like magic all the features I bought the TV for worked and I was very pleased. Dolby Vision is a weird one, I don't believe there are any games that support Dolby Vision, on the X900H I'm only able to get the Dolby Vision to work on Disney+ but it's the only service I pay for that uses it. I can tell the difference, oddly enough the Xbox One X doesn't support Dolby Vision via the 4k Blu-ray player. There's a new OLED Visio TV that just released that's supposed to be promising for gaming as well that is supposed to be a bargain. I never said the Sony X900H was the best for next gen consoles. I do have faith it will still be a great TV for the next generation of consoles at a great price. The C9 has been king of gaming displays for a while, I'm not trying to take away from a brilliant display. I was just looking for something that wasn't OLED out of fear of burn in 'over time'. By the time the next generation of consoles comes out there were be several displays that support HDMI 2.1 features. I just thought people would be excited that there are more options in different price ranges. Maybe I'm getting too old and just don't see things others can. So far gaming on the new TV has been really good for me. The Sony TV from 2015 is still a great TV, I just put in another room, absolutely zero burn in that I can tell after 7 years of gaming. So perhaps there is something with the Sony brand of TV that I'm defending. I'm just trying to share my positive experience.

Thretosix

Xbox Gamertag: Thretosix

ThanosReXXX

@Thretosix Fair enough, in and of itself, and my reactions to you so far have not been a slight towards either Sony or you, but besides that, the facts obviously remain. As for the burn-in risk: that's just too early to tell on the one hand, but on the other hand, the previous models of LG showed little to no burn-in over their lifetime, albeit with normal use, and since then, the firmware and the hardware has been severely upgraded with all kinds of counter measures specifically tailored to that problem, as also explained in the links and videos I last posted.

So, with that in mind, I strongly believe that a potential, but definitely not certain chance of burn-in should never be on a list of reasons not to buy a certain brand or type of TV.

As for gaming on HD/4K TVs in general: I'm also an older than average gamer, and to me, my Panasonic Viera still works fine, and the image looks pretty darn good, but I do know that with a newer screen, it's better, and it does look even sharper and/or cleaner, but personally, I wouldn't be able to discern a difference in latency/reaction time or whatever, so we're pretty much on the same page there.

But having said that, even though I can't SEE it, I do know that things like that matter for gaming, so it only seems logical to me, to take that into account, regardless of whether or not I can personally detect it.

'The console wars are like boobs. Sony and Microsoft fight over which ones look the nicest and Nintendo's are the most fun to play with.'

Xbox Gamertag: ThanosReXXX

Nexozi

@BlueOcean I haven't pulled the trigger yet. Jumping back and forth between the C9 and the 48" CX. The room is quite small and the 48" will fit on a desk I have nicely. But if I get the bigger C9 then I need to totally rearrange everything.

One of the ppl on youtube was testing a Sony xh90 / x900h and it died after a week. Quantum I think it was the name of the channel.

Also I heard that Samsung have released a patch for the Q90T that fixes the inverse ghosting and blacks appearing green. Though would wait for some videos to go up on YouTube that proves it.

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