@RiverGenie Maybe it is you that has changed. Now your either that that guy that likes brandy and cigar in comfy chair or just the old guy that tells people to get off his lawn.
@themightyant You are still playing it day one (release date) on Game Pass. It is just that everybody that buys Premium is playing it on day negative 5. They have a golden ticket. How does that that work for you? It is called EARLY ACCESS. Game Pass does not promise early access just plain old day one (oh , how awful that must be). Do you always get your nickers in such a bunch?
@PsBoxSwitchOwner
And yet data shows they only have 25% of the market of high-end consoles. So, whether UK is one of the largest markets for Xbox that does not play well as argument against MS/Xbox actions when you actually take into that market entails for Xbox vs PS and who has control of the market (PS); a market that both CMA and Sony both argued only includes PS and Xbox.
And further more CMA has not shown any data backing up (and neither have you in your OP) with how Microsoft controls game streaming. I personally like to see Microsoft's overall unique streaming users' numbers from GPU on a monthly basis versus PS Premium numbers. I am willing to bet Sony's numbers are higher because that service is designed to pretty much only be a streaming tier (so the vast majority are using that service for that purpose). Whereas, GPU is designed around Gold and EA Play rather than people signing up to stream.
@S1ayeR74 How does MS have monopoly in game streaming? Where is that data? They aren't even the biggest game streamer anywhere. GeForce Now with over 20 million subscribers (you know people actually subscribe to stream as that is the only purpose of the service unlike GP or GPU). I would be Sony has more people streaming on their service then MS has. Sony itself has a large presence in streaming through PS Now and now PS+ Premium. The problem is you and the CMA assume all GP subscribers are counted as streaming even though only GPU subscribers can stream. And even then, only a small percentage of those subscribers have even used the streaming feature. In fact, data probably shows more people were using Sony PS Now as streaming platform in UK than GPU today. In fact, if I bet PS+ Premium subscriber numbers show a higher number of subscribers versus total number GPU users having ever used streaming. Let's not ignore the only reason to get PS+ Premium is to play PS BC and stream games from the PS Extra library. And most of the BC, all PS3 games, need to be streamed to be played.
I hate this reading the tea leave the CMA is trying to do it makes little sense. Namely because it shows their complete lack of understanding of the market. More importantly doing so it based on no real data. Actually, if anybody tried to read the tea leaves 10 years ago just before the PS4/Xbox One gen arrived and the CMA did so to react to the future then they probably would have gotten it wrong just like they are most certainly getting wrong now. 10 years ago no one saw PS4 dominating as the did after the Xbox360 vs PS3 gen. No one saw subscription services (first with PS Now a streaming service then with Game Pass). Nobody predicted seeing the Switch or its immense success after the WiiU. In fact, people after the Switch was announced thought it wasn't going to be successful. No one would have seen Xbox buying ZeniMax or making an offer for ABK or Sony buying Bungie. No one would have seen GeForce Now, Luna Stadia, and others entering the gaming market. No one saw 60% of gaming being on mobile back in May of 2013. No one saw Apple creating the largest gaming service with 100+ million subscribers on Apple Arcade.
Maybe CMA should look at a tangible market; the very one they and Sony both agree on is the one where only two competitors exist in the high-end console market, Sony and Microsoft. The market sector where Sony has over 75% of that market or monopoly status in the UK. Perhaps worry how that affects consumers and competition and not worry about nascent market that even in 10 years' time will not be dominated by one company or even the size of console today.
Maybe worry how only two compete in high end consoles and one has a monopoly of the UK market right now. How that drives competition. At least in streaming there are over 5 (and more entering) competing in the UK (among them is Sony, MS, Amazon, Nvidia) not just two like consoles.
@S1ayeR74 Not really. The investors only voted only selling not the exact details. As long as the investors get their pot of gold that was promised they have no say any longer. The ABK lawyers and board will just readjust the sale contract, MS will transfer the money and the investors will get money for their shares. Whether MS is the UK or some other means (iei spin off ABK in the UK independent company) it doesn't matter or if MS is later forced to dissolve itself of ABK that has no bearing just like if you sold a car to someone you have no say after the point what happens after that.
I am looking at this the same way I looked at EA when I was subscribing to their EA Play archive collection, before it was part of Game Pass Ultimate. If Ubisoft+ like EA Play is $30/yr or $5/month and going forward Ubisoft puts their games into this archive within a year after release then it will be worth the money for many people.
As for the name Ubisoft+ that makes little sense to me because that is what they call the subscription that includes day & date and all the DLC. This isn't that. Speaking of Ubisoft+ (the premium subscription) I do hope they offer that as an an upgrade option to Game Pass Ultimate subscribers, at a discount of course. For me, I am not too interested in this particular archive subscription option because I tend to buy Ubisoft games I care about (AC, Far Cry). So there is little to entice me at the moment. At least not much more than a month sub. If Ubisoft only do this archive option on Xbox, they best be served also having a discounted option for Game Pass subs if they want a high sub number.
Discord being integrated with PS only really makes sense if you have a multiplatform experience and are tying PC, mobile, and your console together. Otherwise, Sony would only need to rely on what they are using now. This means they are more likely looking to expand their IP and into PC and mobile and add third-party as well. More first-party to PC and growing multi-player offerings. Just saying it makes very little sense if cross-play is not a much larger part of PS then Sony has been willing to allow as of now.
I saw the purpose with Microsoft wanting to integrate Discord along the whole line (not just gaming) and that is why they were looking at spending billions on Discord not a few million for a tiny stake like Sony. On a gaming front, it made sense for Xbox as well because they are truly trying to be cross-platform within their whole ecosystem of gaming endpoints and Discord would provide that ability as being the established messaging platform now.
The simple answer is the fault lies with iOS and Android store policy (primarily iOS I would expect and for parity sake they both mobile apps are affected).It is the same reason Xbox Game Pass streaming app can't use it built-in streaming. In App purchases are not allowed because of Remote Play of the app requires Xbox to follow the same rules for store purchases.
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Re: How To Install Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 On Xbox Game Pass
@RiverGenie Maybe it is you that has changed. Now your either that that guy that likes brandy and cigar in comfy chair or just the old guy that tells people to get off his lawn.
Re: Special Xbox Game Pass 'Upgrade' Bundles Confirmed For Starfield & Forza Motorsport
@themightyant You are still playing it day one (release date) on Game Pass. It is just that everybody that buys Premium is playing it on day negative 5. They have a golden ticket. How does that that work for you? It is called EARLY ACCESS. Game Pass does not promise early access just plain old day one (oh , how awful that must be). Do you always get your nickers in such a bunch?
Re: UK CMA Places Further Restrictions On Microsoft And Activision Blizzard
@PsBoxSwitchOwner
And yet data shows they only have 25% of the market of high-end consoles. So, whether UK is one of the largest markets for Xbox that does not play well as argument against MS/Xbox actions when you actually take into that market entails for Xbox vs PS and who has control of the market (PS); a market that both CMA and Sony both argued only includes PS and Xbox.
And further more CMA has not shown any data backing up (and neither have you in your OP) with how Microsoft controls game streaming. I personally like to see Microsoft's overall unique streaming users' numbers from GPU on a monthly basis versus PS Premium numbers. I am willing to bet Sony's numbers are higher because that service is designed to pretty much only be a streaming tier (so the vast majority are using that service for that purpose). Whereas, GPU is designed around Gold and EA Play rather than people signing up to stream.
Re: UK CMA Places Further Restrictions On Microsoft And Activision Blizzard
@S1ayeR74 How does MS have monopoly in game streaming? Where is that data? They aren't even the biggest game streamer anywhere. GeForce Now with over 20 million subscribers (you know people actually subscribe to stream as that is the only purpose of the service unlike GP or GPU). I would be Sony has more people streaming on their service then MS has. Sony itself has a large presence in streaming through PS Now and now PS+ Premium. The problem is you and the CMA assume all GP subscribers are counted as streaming even though only GPU subscribers can stream. And even then, only a small percentage of those subscribers have even used the streaming feature. In fact, data probably shows more people were using Sony PS Now as streaming platform in UK than GPU today. In fact, if I bet PS+ Premium subscriber numbers show a higher number of subscribers versus total number GPU users having ever used streaming. Let's not ignore the only reason to get PS+ Premium is to play PS BC and stream games from the PS Extra library. And most of the BC, all PS3 games, need to be streamed to be played.
I hate this reading the tea leave the CMA is trying to do it makes little sense. Namely because it shows their complete lack of understanding of the market. More importantly doing so it based on no real data. Actually, if anybody tried to read the tea leaves 10 years ago just before the PS4/Xbox One gen arrived and the CMA did so to react to the future then they probably would have gotten it wrong just like they are most certainly getting wrong now. 10 years ago no one saw PS4 dominating as the did after the Xbox360 vs PS3 gen. No one saw subscription services (first with PS Now a streaming service then with Game Pass). Nobody predicted seeing the Switch or its immense success after the WiiU. In fact, people after the Switch was announced thought it wasn't going to be successful. No one would have seen Xbox buying ZeniMax or making an offer for ABK or Sony buying Bungie. No one would have seen GeForce Now, Luna Stadia, and others entering the gaming market. No one saw 60% of gaming being on mobile back in May of 2013. No one saw Apple creating the largest gaming service with 100+ million subscribers on Apple Arcade.
Maybe CMA should look at a tangible market; the very one they and Sony both agree on is the one where only two competitors exist in the high-end console market, Sony and Microsoft. The market sector where Sony has over 75% of that market or monopoly status in the UK. Perhaps worry how that affects consumers and competition and not worry about nascent market that even in 10 years' time will not be dominated by one company or even the size of console today.
Maybe worry how only two compete in high end consoles and one has a monopoly of the UK market right now. How that drives competition. At least in streaming there are over 5 (and more entering) competing in the UK (among them is Sony, MS, Amazon, Nvidia) not just two like consoles.
Re: UK CMA Places Further Restrictions On Microsoft And Activision Blizzard
@S1ayeR74 Not really. The investors only voted only selling not the exact details. As long as the investors get their pot of gold that was promised they have no say any longer. The ABK lawyers and board will just readjust the sale contract, MS will transfer the money and the investors will get money for their shares. Whether MS is the UK or some other means (iei spin off ABK in the UK independent company) it doesn't matter or if MS is later forced to dissolve itself of ABK that has no bearing just like if you sold a car to someone you have no say after the point what happens after that.
Re: Xbox Leak Reveals Ubisoft+ Will Include 60+ Games, Here's The Full List So Far
I am looking at this the same way I looked at EA when I was subscribing to their EA Play archive collection, before it was part of Game Pass Ultimate. If Ubisoft+ like EA Play is $30/yr or $5/month and going forward Ubisoft puts their games into this archive within a year after release then it will be worth the money for many people.
As for the name Ubisoft+ that makes little sense to me because that is what they call the subscription that includes day & date and all the DLC. This isn't that. Speaking of Ubisoft+ (the premium subscription) I do hope they offer that as an an upgrade option to Game Pass Ultimate subscribers, at a discount of course. For me, I am not too interested in this particular archive subscription option because I tend to buy Ubisoft games I care about (AC, Far Cry). So there is little to entice me at the moment. At least not much more than a month sub. If Ubisoft only do this archive option on Xbox, they best be served also having a discounted option for Game Pass subs if they want a high sub number.
Re: 343 Industries Explains The Lack Of Halo Infinite Campaign Footage
@Chaudy I can't believe you are sad enough to get triggered over a harmless comment about your comment about a game.
Re: Microsoft May Not Be Investing Into Discord, But Sony Is
Discord being integrated with PS only really makes sense if you have a multiplatform experience and are tying PC, mobile, and your console together. Otherwise, Sony would only need to rely on what they are using now. This means they are more likely looking to expand their IP and into PC and mobile and add third-party as well. More first-party to PC and growing multi-player offerings. Just saying it makes very little sense if cross-play is not a much larger part of PS then Sony has been willing to allow as of now.
I saw the purpose with Microsoft wanting to integrate Discord along the whole line (not just gaming) and that is why they were looking at spending billions on Discord not a few million for a tiny stake like Sony. On a gaming front, it made sense for Xbox as well because they are truly trying to be cross-platform within their whole ecosystem of gaming endpoints and Discord would provide that ability as being the established messaging platform now.
Re: Xbox Mobile App Update Coming Soon, But No Sign Of A Store Or Achievements
The simple answer is the fault lies with iOS and Android store policy (primarily iOS I would expect and for parity sake they both mobile apps are affected).It is the same reason Xbox Game Pass streaming app can't use it built-in streaming. In App purchases are not allowed because of Remote Play of the app requires Xbox to follow the same rules for store purchases.