@GamingFan4Lyf Hmm, i’m not that familiar with it actually. I thought games needed to be tweaked a lot to work well on a SteamDeck. So some games are verified so that they automatically work well on a SteamDeck, is that correct? That does sound good. I dunno, that may work.
My question would be how they would sell their games. Because if they do sell it through Steam, then how is this still a Xbox rather than a Steam console. I just can’t see it clearly now, but hopefully when we get more info on everything it’ll be more clear
@GamingFan4Lyf Yeah, that sounds good, you may be right! But i think they would still need to optimize it for it to run in a way that they would want it to run. For example, to run at 60fps with a certain fidelity on that hardware configuration they would still have to develop the game specifically around that set of specs in mind.
I’m far from an expert on this, so i may be talking nonsense here. Honestly this whole thing is still so vague, i don’t know what to think of it. I will reserve further judgement until i know more of their plans
@Millionski I don’t think stock issues are the problem rather a consequence of no one buying a Xbox. But i do agree with the marketing, that has definitely not helped.
Ironically Xbox, by acquiring two of the biggest publishers, now does have a lot of games. But they (understandably) decided to go multiplatform. And i don’t know if they can go back from this decision next gen
@Seioni Sure, but i disagree that those games are the reason they chose Playstation, because those are available as well on Xbox. They could have easily bought a Xbox to play their Fortnite and CoD right? And yet they didn’t.
Most people are overwhelmingly choosing Playstation because of their reputation of delivering high class exclusives, and since Xbox started porting their games last year, you now have acces to both Sony’s exclusives and Xbox games.
It’s similar to the tv streaming world. Even if you only watch a couple of shows, you still have to pick a subscription. For example, why would you subscribe to Netflix if every show they make comes to Disney+. You’d just subscribe to Disney+, that way you have acces to Disneys catalogue and Netflix’s.
Look, i may be wrong. But the way i see it, one way to entice people to buy their next gen console is to offer good exclusives games.
Edit: However, i will say you’re right that exclusives aren’t the only reason. Some people consider Playstation out of convenience, as it might be more readily available in some regions of the world, some (especially younger people) will look at what their peers have and some are just loyal to the brand or have built up too big of a collection in their ecosystem to switch to something else
@GamingFan4Lyf I just don’t really see the difference between Xbox making a “PC like” console, if it still has a fixed set of specs they will need to develop for, compared to a regular console also with a fixed set of specs you need to develop for.
People will still want to buy a PS6 for their exclusives, and if Xbox keeps porting their games to PS, who is this targeted towards?
It’s honestly really vague to me what they are trying to accomplish here, but if true, it really looks like they are just building a console for Valve. Because who would still continue to buy games from the Xbox store if Steam is available on it? It’ll effectively just be a new Steam console
@SMJ I don't know man, maybe you’re right. But having exclusives is basically Sony’s modus operandi and the reason they sell consoles. I have the feeling they would step in if all their games could be played on a Xbox. Because that would indeed be disastrous for Playstation
I still don’t quite understand their play here. Is the Steam integration the only thing that is supposed to save Xbox? Is this their trump card? Are there even any notable games on Steam that aren’t available on console? Football Manager hardly gets me excited.
I’ll say it again, they can do whatever Steam integration they want, but if they want to sell Xboxs, they need to have exclusive games. Exclusives sell consoles
What i’m learning from this article and Phil’s quote is that they’re learning and growing, slowly gaining confidence. Which gives me confidence that they are learning and continuing to learn from what they are doing. Gaining confidence through learning and learning to grow. And gain confidence
This is pretty cool to see, i wish someone would to this for Playstation. Only thing i don’t get is why the previous 4 years always need to be included with the roadmap.
Oblivion remake will probably also soon be announced
I honestly don’t understand what a new Xbox console could bring, to persuade people to buy a Xbox. Is better hardware going to make a difference? Series X already had the better hardware. Unless they go back to exclusive games, why would anyone go out and buy Xbox’s all of a sudden? This is one of the worst sold generation for Xbox, and somehow a newer Xbox would sell better? I don’t get it. I say, the only way for them to sell their consoles is to make their games exclusives. Exclusives sell consoles
Of course everyone is going to come here with some stupid and immature examples like S*xBox, TripleX box, Xbox series Y, XOBX, Xbox: The Freshmaker, Xbox Xtra S, Series X the Boxilicious, XboxStation, PlayBox, Xbox series Switch, I can’t believe it’s not an Xbox, PCBox, XROG Ally X, The Fresh Box of X Air, CloudBox, Xbox: The Series
@Sol4ris To be fair, those games you mentioned weren’t remakes, except for TLOU.
Most remakes Sony makes are from the PS2 and PS3 era like Demon Souls, Ratchet and Clank and Shadow of the Colossus. Only TLOU and Until Dawn as far as i know are recent games (where TLOU is also already 12 years old, so not that recent) But they do get a lot of flack for making remakes, so i think his comment was fair enough
@Onlyboxmatters You mean like Demon Souls, Ratchet and Clank, Shadow of the Colossus and the Last of Us part 1? How were these bad for the gaming industry and gamers?
All depends on the games for me, always have, always will.
First time series X got shown, i was set on buying it. But unfortunately the games just didn’t appeal to me enough to buy. And now most are coming to PS, so i don’t have much incentive buying a whole other console.
Only way i buy a next gen Xbox is if they go back to exclusivity. I know some disagree with exclusivity. But thats how i choose a console, for their games. And if those games keep coming to PS, i won’t be buying a Xbox. However i’m open to being persuaded by whatever Xbox comes up with for next gen.
As for this whole PC like thing, it’s all much too vague for me to even have an opinion on it, i just have to see how they’ll differentiate themselves and make it attractive enough compared to just building your own PC. But frankly, not to keen on PC myself. I want a more hassle free console experience.
But at this point i don’t really care about the hardware, both Xbox Prime and PS6 will have great hardware, it’s the games i’m interested in
@Ricky-Spanish Dude, i’m just reacting to him, this comment section is about giving opinions. If some people say this upgrade is unnecessary thats fine. But i will bring nuance to it, because some would like to play AC Shadows in fidelity mode with 60fps in stead of 30fps. Lets move one
@fatpunkslim Some people might find it necessary to upgrade from their PS4 and are happy with the different choices they now get to have. Maybe some do want to play AC Shadows with 60fps in fidelity mode.
But you’ve changed your stance in saying you believe it’s unnecessary, which i totally respect. It isn’t for everyone
@Ricky-Spanish He confirms this mid gen upgrade is unnecessary, thats not an opinion. I am merely bringing nuance to his statement. But if you don’t like nuance in a debate feel free to think in black and white.
I’m not being condescending, i am being critical, but doing my best in presenting a reasonable and nuanced response and comparison. If i come across as condescending to the poster, i apologize. @fatpunkslim
By the way, no comment here is really necessary, these are all thoughts and reactions from people to the article and each other
@fatpunkslim “which confirms that this mid-gen upgrade is unnecessary.”
What if you’re upgrading from a PS4/PS4 Pro though, as many millions still game on those consoles. What you call unnecessary, i call choices. It all depends on where you’re upgrading from. The Pro is not solely marketed to current PS5 owners, many haven’t upgraded yet from older consoles.
For example, is the Iphone 16 Pro unnecessary? If you’re upgrading from a 15 Pro maybe, but maybe not if you’re upgrading from an Iphone 11. And even then, is it truly ‘necessary’? Even that is still a perfectly usable phone. I mean, are $1000 phones necessary in the first place? I’d argue not much in the luxury gadget space is actually necessary. People just buy what they want.
I’d bet some PC players would argue that buying a new graphics card and other components to go from 30 to 60 fps and a little more ray tracing or graphical fidelity is important to them. Necessary? Probably not, but people like to spend on their hobbies if they feel it’s worth it.
Also with AC: Shadows, the Pro version apparently offers the base PS5 Fidelity mode with 60fps in stead of 30 fps. Which doesn't seem that marginal. People buy whole new cards or CPUs to get double the frames with the same fidelity. Seems pretty much in line with a small card upgrade or ‘mid gen upgrade’
I don’t know. What does ‘not really taken off” mean? There are many more VR sets sold than for example a Steamdeck, yet the Steamdeck seems to be discussed as if its a raging succes and everyone wants to go the PC handheld route.
I know PX is talking about PSVR2 here, which in that particular case might be true, that it hasn’t really taken off. But the quoted article talks about VR in general it seems to me, and while it might not be a raging succes, VR definitely has a market
I’m guessing it’ll just be OW2 and CoD, and maybe the Oblivion remake. Which is still very solid! Those other games we’ve seen little to nothing from, i really doubt they’d suddenly be releasing this year
@Kaloudz I agree, the gameplay footage so far looks amazing! Especially that last shot indeed, i don’t know what but it’s so compelling and makes me want to explore the world.
Does anyone know what engine is being used for this game? Is it Unreal?
@fatpunkslim “it seems there are more former exclusives on Xbox than the other way around”
This must be a joke, right? Seeing as Xbox is in the middle of porting it’s exclusive games library to PS5.
“but the fact is that Xbox has more exclusives than PS, even if some are temporary. Just look at Xbox's lineup with Stalker 2, Avowed, South of Midnight, Mechabreak, etc... And what about PS? Nothing!”
@Millionski Are you seriously wondering why people aren't talking about those games? Well first off, FF16, FF7 and Silent Hill 2 remake aren’t even on Xbox. Why would people talk about them?
If you take away those 3 games, you just mentioned a few indie titles and a bunch of 3rd party series that have been multiplat since the PS360 days. Why would people talk about that now? 🤷🏻♂️
No narratives going on, besides the one you’re creating for yourself
@Toot1st Funnily enough the comment after yours explains why i asked that question.
“death stranding has always been very controversial. Not even mentioning its now not a sony studio and it will be timed exclusive.”
I hear so many arguments that games Sony publishes don't seem to count cause they are not made by a Playstation studio.
Thats why i put my question mark at Ninja Gaiden being classified as an Xbox first party. But it was meant satirical. I’m just doing what some Xbox users seem to do, which is moving goalposts around.
Personally, i do consider games such as Helldivers 2, Death Stranding 2 and Lost Soul Aside, which are published by Playstation, to be first party. And i also consider Ninja Gaiden to be first party. I was just being a bit tongue in cheek and satirical with my comment. Just wanted to show the type of reasoning i usually get bombarded with when taking about Playstation first party output
@armondo36 Everyone gets that. Thats not hard to get. But obviously thats not the way Xbox and a large part of their user base wanted things to have gone. Basically they’re saying they wanted to sell consoles but just couldn't, and now they have to put everything on Playstation because they’d rather have the 70% in stead of missing out on it.
It’s not that people don’t get that this is going to financially be a healthier choice, thats easy to see. But this path was their 2nd choice. Preferably they would have wanted to have grown their consoles and get the sales and profit a 100% for themselves. Now they have to pivot and its going to take a bit of a mental pivot as well for some of the user base to get to terms with this. But everyone will get used to it soon, that’s just how things go.
@Sol4ris Trust me i get it, it’s actually meant as satire. I’ve been bombarded lately with comments saying games such as Death Stranding 2 and Lost Soul Aside don't count as first party games even though they are published by Playstation. I’m with you though, i’d classify these games as first party since Xbox publishes them and probably partly even funds some of them.
While the value is definitely there with Game Pass no doubt, you do have to recognize that it has to do with what games you want to play. Not everyone will be interested with the games on the service. For some people it might be cheaper buying those few games they are interested in separately. And that will always be the case.
For example, if these are the games you want to play this year: GTA6, AC Shadows, Monster Hunter Wilds, Death Stranding 2, Phantom Blade Zero, Ghost of Yotei, Like a Dragon, Split Fiction, Elden Ring Nightreign, Tides of Annihilation, Metal Gear Delta, then subscribing to Game Pass would not help you out.
Yes, Game Pass is good value. But some of the best games of the year, like the once mentioned above are not going to the service, so you will still have to buy those separately, on top of the $240 a year subscription.
What i’m trying to say is yes, the service holds a lot of value. But whether it’s valuable to someone will always be different based on personal circumstance. So there will always be a debate with people arguing both sides.
For some, it will the best service ever. And for others it might be like a Netflix subscription they hardly use, because they’re into shows not available on that streaming platform.
I had the OG Xbox and all i can remember is playing Splinter Cell, i had some more games but i cant remember what they were, it was such a short gen for Xbox. And then moved on to the Xbox360 which quickly became the CoD machine for me and everyone i knew. Ah, the memories 😊 Ended up owning two Xbox 360s lol with a whole lot of games
Fun fact: I’ve owned a Xbox every generation, except this one, but have never played a Halo or Gears game. Maybe like a hour total at a friends house once (on the OG)
@Titntin Thanks man! Always appreciate seeing people with some common sense. I wasn’t even trying to console war, it’s just that i’m somewhat triggered when i see cognitive bias, and then i feel compelled to react to it 😅
Tbf, i should probably contain myself a bit when criticizing anything Xbox (tax) related on this site, i’m sure most here just want to enjoy their preffered platform in peace, and i respect that. Also, didn't want to derail the comment section with off topic stuff. I just cant help myself sometimes, when i see some weird stuff being said, from both sides btw.
Great to hear man, i hope you enjoy the game! I watched the Digital Foundry review and came away a bit more convinced. But i’m actually waiting to see more from Fable myself.
@GeeForce Ah yes, so if games score higher on Xbox it’s because they run better. And if they get scored higher on Playstation it’s because of Xbox tax, got it! Learning so much today.
@SMJ Not starting a console war at all, just reacting to false claims being made about made up taxes.
I brought those games up to show you that the same games don't automatically get scored higher on Playstation.
And if those 2 games get scored higher on Playstation, still doesn't prove there’s a Xbox tax, i’m sorry.
Ironically, one of those games i listed went to Xbox recently and got scored higher there, is that Playstation tax? 😆
Honestly, you lost me with your last comment. I dont know what your point is anymore. But for everybodys sake, lets just stop arguing about this. You know what, i’ll even agree with you, the tax is real! 😁
@SMJ I guess i don't know what your point is then lol.
What i thought you were saying is, “see how the same games will get higher scores on Playstation, because of the Xbox Tax.”
My point is there is no ‘Xbox Tax’, and therefore provided a list of games that are both on Playstation and Xbox, which got higher scores on Xbox.
And with Concord i’m pointing out that Playstation games also get low scores, proving there is no bias towards Playstation games, as they get dunked on as well if they’re bad.
And i cant mention those 2 games, cause they havent released yet, so i cant just fabricate some PS scores for them, who knows what their scores will be 🤷🏻♂️
Also find it ironic when you say Concord had such low scores because people didn’t like it (which is true), but when Xbox games get low scores it must be because of “Xbox tax”
@Hurblyburbly Some people think that there are websites who purposefully lower their review scores because they are biased and don't want Xbox games to get high scores. I don’t know if there’s an exact definition lol, but that’s how it comes across to me.
@Lup You’re right, but this “Tax” narrative has gone on for a long time. And people got real mad when PureXbox gave games like Indy and Stalker 2 low scores.
But you’re right though, neither said anything about this site per se, so just ignore that part 😅
@Lup The one making the accusation has to provide the proof, not the other way around. Yes, some bias might be present anywhere, from both sides, but accusing the integrity of reviewers(even reviewers from this website sometimes) without any proof is not cool.
And copying a small snippet from a bad review is not proof, as would copying from a great review not be proof that its objectively great. Since reviews are all just subjective opinions from the people who wrote it.
Scores may not always be in line with what you think they should be, but blaming people for being dishonest because you wanted it to have a higher score is not cool.
Fact is there have been many Playstation games that have had lower scores and Xbox games that have had high scores.
@IOI Again with the ‘Tax’. Playstation has had many low scoring games. And Xbox have had high scoring games. Heck even this site gave it an 8/10 and this is a Xbox centric site. So an average of 80 on metacritic seems about right.
And you say it should have gotten a 85, but you havent even played the game so how would you know? Tin foiled hats are not a good look, bro
@HonestHick Fair points! Like i said everything is possible, but first one is such a hypothetical. Ofcourse different decisions might be made if things change. But for now, i’d say it’s unlikely, but anything is possible.
As for the second point about having Steam on Xbox. I think that Sony will definitely try to come up with something at that point, maybe there’s a way for not allowing their games on certain hardware. Or they might think twice before releasing some titles to PC. Or maybe by that point they just wouldnt care if some games could be indirectly played on Xbox hardware after a while who knows 🤷🏻♂️
Going multiplat might be good for selling more games, but it usually goes with the cost of losing console share, which is an important focus for them. Playstation would be foolish to give away their lead in hardware console share by going full multiplat with their games. Right now they get all the games from all publishers and get a 30% share of all games sold through their platform. And they would give up their huge lead in console hardware like that? Ofcourse anything is possible, but it’s highly unlikely and not to mention foolish.
@HonestHick Wow dude, you seem to go from here to there in the conversation. I think i’ll just let it go cause you’re obviously on a whole different mission here and i’ll let you to it. 😉
Honest advice, i feel like you’re having a bad time because as you said, what some people are saying on “the other site” about GP and Xbox. But you have to understand it goes both ways. And some Xbox users are very toxic on there as well. You should not let it get to you so much! Take care bro 👍🏼🫶🏼
@HonestHick Oh no, i didn't think you were. I’m truly just trying to understand the points you’re making so i can give a well thought out response.
I guess your main gripe is the future roadmap of only first party games right? (3rd party exclusives don't count?)
Well i have to agree with you, as of now, we don’t have a lot of release dates for first party ps games. But to be fair, before today those xbox games didn't have any release dates as well. So maybe wait till the next state of play and im sure their roadmap will be revealed a bit more.
What Playstation does is complement their ‘lack’ of first party games with 3rd party exclusives. So end of the day they still deliver in terms of games. I dont think people playing Helldivers 2, Stellar blade, Rebirth or Silent hill care if it’s first party or not, they’re just great games.
@HonestHick I don't get the point. Playstation is always secretive about their roadmap, but end of the day they delivered more than 10 exclusives last year. Saying some didn't sell so well, is in my opinion a bit nitpicky. And may i say, quite ironic in a discussion between xbox and ps games.
It’s only natural for Xbox output to grow substantially after acquiring two of the biggest publishers in the world, not a real surprise there.
However i agree, i wish Playstation was more transparent with their roadmap, cause this doesnt work for me either. But even though Playstation has less studios, it hasn’t prevented them from delivering a good amount of games. Just as Astro bot was announced like two months before it came out, this year might still have many announcements waiting for us.
@WildConcept6 Why so concerned with Playstation my man? If you’re eating good over at Xbox, just enjoy your meal 😉
Don’t worry so much about Playstation and it’s exclusives, they had like 10 exclusives last year alone. Some of them winning multiple awards, it’s all good.
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Re: Talking Point: Which Steam Games Would You Want To Play On An Xbox Console?
@GamingFan4Lyf Hmm, i’m not that familiar with it actually. I thought games needed to be tweaked a lot to work well on a SteamDeck. So some games are verified so that they automatically work well on a SteamDeck, is that correct? That does sound good. I dunno, that may work.
My question would be how they would sell their games. Because if they do sell it through Steam, then how is this still a Xbox rather than a Steam console. I just can’t see it clearly now, but hopefully when we get more info on everything it’ll be more clear
Re: Talking Point: Which Steam Games Would You Want To Play On An Xbox Console?
@GamingFan4Lyf Yeah, that sounds good, you may be right! But i think they would still need to optimize it for it to run in a way that they would want it to run. For example, to run at 60fps with a certain fidelity on that hardware configuration they would still have to develop the game specifically around that set of specs in mind.
I’m far from an expert on this, so i may be talking nonsense here. Honestly this whole thing is still so vague, i don’t know what to think of it. I will reserve further judgement until i know more of their plans
Re: Talking Point: Which Steam Games Would You Want To Play On An Xbox Console?
@Millionski I don’t think stock issues are the problem rather a consequence of no one buying a Xbox. But i do agree with the marketing, that has definitely not helped.
Ironically Xbox, by acquiring two of the biggest publishers, now does have a lot of games. But they (understandably) decided to go multiplatform. And i don’t know if they can go back from this decision next gen
Re: Talking Point: Which Steam Games Would You Want To Play On An Xbox Console?
@Seioni Sure, but i disagree that those games are the reason they chose Playstation, because those are available as well on Xbox. They could have easily bought a Xbox to play their Fortnite and CoD right? And yet they didn’t.
Most people are overwhelmingly choosing Playstation because of their reputation of delivering high class exclusives, and since Xbox started porting their games last year, you now have acces to both Sony’s exclusives and Xbox games.
It’s similar to the tv streaming world. Even if you only watch a couple of shows, you still have to pick a subscription. For example, why would you subscribe to Netflix if every show they make comes to Disney+. You’d just subscribe to Disney+, that way you have acces to Disneys catalogue and Netflix’s.
Look, i may be wrong. But the way i see it, one way to entice people to buy their next gen console is to offer good exclusives games.
Edit: However, i will say you’re right that exclusives aren’t the only reason. Some people consider Playstation out of convenience, as it might be more readily available in some regions of the world, some (especially younger people) will look at what their peers have and some are just loyal to the brand or have built up too big of a collection in their ecosystem to switch to something else
Re: Talking Point: Which Steam Games Would You Want To Play On An Xbox Console?
@GamingFan4Lyf I just don’t really see the difference between Xbox making a “PC like” console, if it still has a fixed set of specs they will need to develop for, compared to a regular console also with a fixed set of specs you need to develop for.
People will still want to buy a PS6 for their exclusives, and if Xbox keeps porting their games to PS, who is this targeted towards?
It’s honestly really vague to me what they are trying to accomplish here, but if true, it really looks like they are just building a console for Valve. Because who would still continue to buy games from the Xbox store if Steam is available on it? It’ll effectively just be a new Steam console
Re: Talking Point: Which Steam Games Would You Want To Play On An Xbox Console?
@SMJ I don't know man, maybe you’re right. But having exclusives is basically Sony’s modus operandi and the reason they sell consoles. I have the feeling they would step in if all their games could be played on a Xbox. Because that would indeed be disastrous for Playstation
Re: Talking Point: Which Steam Games Would You Want To Play On An Xbox Console?
I still don’t quite understand their play here. Is the Steam integration the only thing that is supposed to save Xbox? Is this their trump card? Are there even any notable games on Steam that aren’t available on console? Football Manager hardly gets me excited.
I’ll say it again, they can do whatever Steam integration they want, but if they want to sell Xboxs, they need to have exclusive games. Exclusives sell consoles
Re: Xbox's Phil Spencer On Film & TV Shows: We're Gaining Confidence, We're Going To Do More
What i’m learning from this article and Phil’s quote is that they’re learning and growing, slowly gaining confidence. Which gives me confidence that they are learning and continuing to learn from what they are doing. Gaining confidence through learning and learning to grow. And gain confidence
Re: Xbox Fan Shares Updated First-Party Roadmap Following Recent Microsoft Announcements
This is pretty cool to see, i wish someone would to this for Playstation. Only thing i don’t get is why the previous 4 years always need to be included with the roadmap.
Oblivion remake will probably also soon be announced
Re: Talking Point: Is It Too Early To Release A New Xbox Console In 2027?
I honestly don’t understand what a new Xbox console could bring, to persuade people to buy a Xbox. Is better hardware going to make a difference? Series X already had the better hardware. Unless they go back to exclusive games, why would anyone go out and buy Xbox’s all of a sudden? This is one of the worst sold generation for Xbox, and somehow a newer Xbox would sell better? I don’t get it. I say, the only way for them to sell their consoles is to make their games exclusives. Exclusives sell consoles
Re: Talking Point: What Should Microsoft Call The '2027' Xbox Console & Handheld?
Of course everyone is going to come here with some stupid and immature examples like S*xBox, TripleX box, Xbox series Y, XOBX, Xbox: The Freshmaker, Xbox Xtra S, Series X the Boxilicious, XboxStation, PlayBox, Xbox series Switch, I can’t believe it’s not an Xbox, PCBox, XROG Ally X, The Fresh Box of X Air, CloudBox, Xbox: The Series
But not me, i won’t stoop to that level
Re: Talking Point: What Other Bethesda Remakes Would You Like Xbox To Greenlight?
@Sol4ris To be fair, those games you mentioned weren’t remakes, except for TLOU.
Most remakes Sony makes are from the PS2 and PS3 era like Demon Souls, Ratchet and Clank and Shadow of the Colossus. Only TLOU and Until Dawn as far as i know are recent games (where TLOU is also already 12 years old, so not that recent) But they do get a lot of flack for making remakes, so i think his comment was fair enough
Re: Talking Point: What Other Bethesda Remakes Would You Like Xbox To Greenlight?
@Onlyboxmatters You mean like Demon Souls, Ratchet and Clank, Shadow of the Colossus and the Last of Us part 1? How were these bad for the gaming industry and gamers?
Re: Talking Point: If The Next-Gen Xbox Is More 'PC-Like', Will You Still Buy It?
All depends on the games for me, always have, always will.
First time series X got shown, i was set on buying it. But unfortunately the games just didn’t appeal to me enough to buy. And now most are coming to PS, so i don’t have much incentive buying a whole other console.
Only way i buy a next gen Xbox is if they go back to exclusivity. I know some disagree with exclusivity. But thats how i choose a console, for their games. And if those games keep coming to PS, i won’t be buying a Xbox. However i’m open to being persuaded by whatever Xbox comes up with for next gen.
As for this whole PC like thing, it’s all much too vague for me to even have an opinion on it, i just have to see how they’ll differentiate themselves and make it attractive enough compared to just building your own PC. But frankly, not to keen on PC myself. I want a more hassle free console experience.
But at this point i don’t really care about the hardware, both Xbox Prime and PS6 will have great hardware, it’s the games i’m interested in
Re: Ubisoft Reveals Full Console Specs For Assassin's Creed Shadows, Including Xbox Series X And S
@Ricky-Spanish Hehe, all good bro! 🙏🏼💛
Btw, i appreciate the call out on my tone, i’m trying not to come across as too dismissive. Thanks for keeping it respectful 😉
Re: Ubisoft Reveals Full Console Specs For Assassin's Creed Shadows, Including Xbox Series X And S
@Ricky-Spanish Dude, i’m just reacting to him, this comment section is about giving opinions. If some people say this upgrade is unnecessary thats fine. But i will bring nuance to it, because some would like to play AC Shadows in fidelity mode with 60fps in stead of 30fps. Lets move one
Re: Ubisoft Reveals Full Console Specs For Assassin's Creed Shadows, Including Xbox Series X And S
@Ricky-Spanish If you read his comment correctly he did actually say “which confirms that this mid-gen upgrade is unnecessary.”
In his follow up post he says “I firmly believe”. Which i totally respect
And of course i see what you’re saying, because that was basically what i was arguing
Re: Ubisoft Reveals Full Console Specs For Assassin's Creed Shadows, Including Xbox Series X And S
@fatpunkslim Some people might find it necessary to upgrade from their PS4 and are happy with the different choices they now get to have. Maybe some do want to play AC Shadows with 60fps in fidelity mode.
But you’ve changed your stance in saying you believe it’s unnecessary, which i totally respect. It isn’t for everyone
Re: Ubisoft Reveals Full Console Specs For Assassin's Creed Shadows, Including Xbox Series X And S
@Ricky-Spanish He confirms this mid gen upgrade is unnecessary, thats not an opinion. I am merely bringing nuance to his statement. But if you don’t like nuance in a debate feel free to think in black and white.
I’m not being condescending, i am being critical, but doing my best in presenting a reasonable and nuanced response and comparison. If i come across as condescending to the poster, i apologize. @fatpunkslim
By the way, no comment here is really necessary, these are all thoughts and reactions from people to the article and each other
Re: Ubisoft Reveals Full Console Specs For Assassin's Creed Shadows, Including Xbox Series X And S
@fatpunkslim “which confirms that this mid-gen upgrade is unnecessary.”
What if you’re upgrading from a PS4/PS4 Pro though, as many millions still game on those consoles. What you call unnecessary, i call choices. It all depends on where you’re upgrading from. The Pro is not solely marketed to current PS5 owners, many haven’t upgraded yet from older consoles.
For example, is the Iphone 16 Pro unnecessary? If you’re upgrading from a 15 Pro maybe, but maybe not if you’re upgrading from an Iphone 11. And even then, is it truly ‘necessary’? Even that is still a perfectly usable phone. I mean, are $1000 phones necessary in the first place? I’d argue not much in the luxury gadget space is actually necessary. People just buy what they want.
I’d bet some PC players would argue that buying a new graphics card and other components to go from 30 to 60 fps and a little more ray tracing or graphical fidelity is important to them. Necessary? Probably not, but people like to spend on their hobbies if they feel it’s worth it.
Also with AC: Shadows, the Pro version apparently offers the base PS5 Fidelity mode with 60fps in stead of 30 fps. Which doesn't seem that marginal. People buy whole new cards or CPUs to get double the frames with the same fidelity. Seems pretty much in line with a small card upgrade or ‘mid gen upgrade’
Re: Xbox Co-Creator Calls VR 'Disappointing' As Sony Slashes Price Of PSVR2
I don’t know. What does ‘not really taken off” mean? There are many more VR sets sold than for example a Steamdeck, yet the Steamdeck seems to be discussed as if its a raging succes and everyone wants to go the PC handheld route.
I know PX is talking about PSVR2 here, which in that particular case might be true, that it hasn’t really taken off. But the quoted article talks about VR in general it seems to me, and while it might not be a raging succes, VR definitely has a market
Re: Talking Point: With Fable Now Delayed, Which Xbox First-Party Game Launches This Fall?
I’m guessing it’ll just be OW2 and CoD, and maybe the Oblivion remake. Which is still very solid! Those other games we’ve seen little to nothing from, i really doubt they’d suddenly be releasing this year
Re: Five Things We Spotted In Fable's Latest Gameplay Footage
@Prestige-worldwide Well, that’s one pretty looking engine that’s for sure
Re: Five Things We Spotted In Fable's Latest Gameplay Footage
@Kaloudz I agree, the gameplay footage so far looks amazing! Especially that last shot indeed, i don’t know what but it’s so compelling and makes me want to explore the world.
Does anyone know what engine is being used for this game? Is it Unreal?
Re: Reaction: Fable's Delay Is A Shame, But The New Gameplay Footage Looks Awesome
Yo, that looks amazing! 🤩
Re: Xbox Has Officially Delayed Fable Into 2026
Too bad. Fable is one of the Xbox titles i was excited to see more of. But i understand their decision. Let them cook! 👨🏻🍳
Re: Silent Hill 2 Dev's Next Konami Game Is Coming To Xbox Series X|S
@fatpunkslim “it seems there are more former exclusives on Xbox than the other way around”
This must be a joke, right? Seeing as Xbox is in the middle of porting it’s exclusive games library to PS5.
“but the fact is that Xbox has more exclusives than PS, even if some are temporary. Just look at Xbox's lineup with Stalker 2, Avowed, South of Midnight, Mechabreak, etc... And what about PS? Nothing!”
Re: Silent Hill 2 Dev's Next Konami Game Is Coming To Xbox Series X|S
@Millionski Are you seriously wondering why people aren't talking about those games? Well first off, FF16, FF7 and Silent Hill 2 remake aren’t even on Xbox. Why would people talk about them?
If you take away those 3 games, you just mentioned a few indie titles and a bunch of 3rd party series that have been multiplat since the PS360 days. Why would people talk about that now? 🤷🏻♂️
No narratives going on, besides the one you’re creating for yourself
Re: Here's A Look At The Updated Xbox Studios Roadmap For 2025 & Beyond
@Toot1st Funnily enough the comment after yours explains why i asked that question.
“death stranding has always been very controversial. Not even mentioning its now not a sony studio and it will be timed exclusive.”
I hear so many arguments that games Sony publishes don't seem to count cause they are not made by a Playstation studio.
Thats why i put my question mark at Ninja Gaiden being classified as an Xbox first party. But it was meant satirical. I’m just doing what some Xbox users seem to do, which is moving goalposts around.
Personally, i do consider games such as Helldivers 2, Death Stranding 2 and Lost Soul Aside, which are published by Playstation, to be first party. And i also consider Ninja Gaiden to be first party. I was just being a bit tongue in cheek and satirical with my comment. Just wanted to show the type of reasoning i usually get bombarded with when taking about Playstation first party output
Re: Here's A Look At The Updated Xbox Studios Roadmap For 2025 & Beyond
@armondo36 Everyone gets that. Thats not hard to get. But obviously thats not the way Xbox and a large part of their user base wanted things to have gone. Basically they’re saying they wanted to sell consoles but just couldn't, and now they have to put everything on Playstation because they’d rather have the 70% in stead of missing out on it.
It’s not that people don’t get that this is going to financially be a healthier choice, thats easy to see. But this path was their 2nd choice. Preferably they would have wanted to have grown their consoles and get the sales and profit a 100% for themselves. Now they have to pivot and its going to take a bit of a mental pivot as well for some of the user base to get to terms with this. But everyone will get used to it soon, that’s just how things go.
Re: Here's A Look At The Updated Xbox Studios Roadmap For 2025 & Beyond
@Sol4ris Trust me i get it, it’s actually meant as satire. I’ve been bombarded lately with comments saying games such as Death Stranding 2 and Lost Soul Aside don't count as first party games even though they are published by Playstation. I’m with you though, i’d classify these games as first party since Xbox publishes them and probably partly even funds some of them.
Re: Here's A Look At The Updated Xbox Studios Roadmap For 2025 & Beyond
Ninja Gaiden 4 being developed by a Xbox studio? 🤔
Re: Just One Game Is Confirmed For Xbox Game Pass In March 2025 So Far
While the value is definitely there with Game Pass no doubt, you do have to recognize that it has to do with what games you want to play. Not everyone will be interested with the games on the service. For some people it might be cheaper buying those few games they are interested in separately. And that will always be the case.
For example, if these are the games you want to play this year: GTA6, AC Shadows, Monster Hunter Wilds, Death Stranding 2, Phantom Blade Zero, Ghost of Yotei, Like a Dragon, Split Fiction, Elden Ring Nightreign, Tides of Annihilation, Metal Gear Delta, then subscribing to Game Pass would not help you out.
Yes, Game Pass is good value. But some of the best games of the year, like the once mentioned above are not going to the service, so you will still have to buy those separately, on top of the $240 a year subscription.
What i’m trying to say is yes, the service holds a lot of value. But whether it’s valuable to someone will always be different based on personal circumstance. So there will always be a debate with people arguing both sides.
For some, it will the best service ever. And for others it might be like a Netflix subscription they hardly use, because they’re into shows not available on that streaming platform.
Re: Talking Point: When Did You First Get Introduced To The World Of Xbox?
I had the OG Xbox and all i can remember is playing Splinter Cell, i had some more games but i cant remember what they were, it was such a short gen for Xbox. And then moved on to the Xbox360 which quickly became the CoD machine for me and everyone i knew. Ah, the memories 😊 Ended up owning two Xbox 360s lol with a whole lot of games
Fun fact: I’ve owned a Xbox every generation, except this one, but have never played a Halo or Gears game. Maybe like a hour total at a friends house once (on the OG)
Re: Review: Avowed (Xbox) - Flashy Action & Excellent Exploration Make Up For A Surprisingly Breezy Narrative
@Titntin Thanks man! Always appreciate seeing people with some common sense. I wasn’t even trying to console war, it’s just that i’m somewhat triggered when i see cognitive bias, and then i feel compelled to react to it 😅
Tbf, i should probably contain myself a bit when criticizing anything Xbox (tax) related on this site, i’m sure most here just want to enjoy their preffered platform in peace, and i respect that. Also, didn't want to derail the comment section with off topic stuff. I just cant help myself sometimes, when i see some weird stuff being said, from both sides btw.
Great to hear man, i hope you enjoy the game! I watched the Digital Foundry review and came away a bit more convinced. But i’m actually waiting to see more from Fable myself.
Re: Review: Avowed (Xbox) - Flashy Action & Excellent Exploration Make Up For A Surprisingly Breezy Narrative
@GeeForce Ah yes, so if games score higher on Xbox it’s because they run better. And if they get scored higher on Playstation it’s because of Xbox tax, got it! Learning so much today.
Re: Review: Avowed (Xbox) - Flashy Action & Excellent Exploration Make Up For A Surprisingly Breezy Narrative
@SMJ Not starting a console war at all, just reacting to false claims being made about made up taxes.
I brought those games up to show you that the same games don't automatically get scored higher on Playstation.
And if those 2 games get scored higher on Playstation, still doesn't prove there’s a Xbox tax, i’m sorry.
Ironically, one of those games i listed went to Xbox recently and got scored higher there, is that Playstation tax? 😆
Honestly, you lost me with your last comment. I dont know what your point is anymore. But for everybodys sake, lets just stop arguing about this. You know what, i’ll even agree with you, the tax is real! 😁
Re: Review: Avowed (Xbox) - Flashy Action & Excellent Exploration Make Up For A Surprisingly Breezy Narrative
@SMJ I guess i don't know what your point is then lol.
What i thought you were saying is, “see how the same games will get higher scores on Playstation, because of the Xbox Tax.”
My point is there is no ‘Xbox Tax’, and therefore provided a list of games that are both on Playstation and Xbox, which got higher scores on Xbox.
And with Concord i’m pointing out that Playstation games also get low scores, proving there is no bias towards Playstation games, as they get dunked on as well if they’re bad.
And i cant mention those 2 games, cause they havent released yet, so i cant just fabricate some PS scores for them, who knows what their scores will be 🤷🏻♂️
Also find it ironic when you say Concord had such low scores because people didn’t like it (which is true), but when Xbox games get low scores it must be because of “Xbox tax”
Re: Review: Avowed (Xbox) - Flashy Action & Excellent Exploration Make Up For A Surprisingly Breezy Narrative
@SMJ You mean like:
All higher scores on Xbox. Did they forget to pay their taxes? 😅
Were these games exempted from the ‘Xbox tax’?
Meanwhile PS games also get lower scores. Think Concord and Lego Horizon for example.
But if you want to keep telling yourself that the “Tax” is real, be my guest.
Re: Review: Avowed (Xbox) - Flashy Action & Excellent Exploration Make Up For A Surprisingly Breezy Narrative
@Hurblyburbly Some people think that there are websites who purposefully lower their review scores because they are biased and don't want Xbox games to get high scores. I don’t know if there’s an exact definition lol, but that’s how it comes across to me.
Re: Review: Avowed (Xbox) - Flashy Action & Excellent Exploration Make Up For A Surprisingly Breezy Narrative
@Lup You’re right, but this “Tax” narrative has gone on for a long time. And people got real mad when PureXbox gave games like Indy and Stalker 2 low scores.
But you’re right though, neither said anything about this site per se, so just ignore that part 😅
Re: Review: Avowed (Xbox) - Flashy Action & Excellent Exploration Make Up For A Surprisingly Breezy Narrative
@Lup The one making the accusation has to provide the proof, not the other way around. Yes, some bias might be present anywhere, from both sides, but accusing the integrity of reviewers(even reviewers from this website sometimes) without any proof is not cool.
And copying a small snippet from a bad review is not proof, as would copying from a great review not be proof that its objectively great. Since reviews are all just subjective opinions from the people who wrote it.
Scores may not always be in line with what you think they should be, but blaming people for being dishonest because you wanted it to have a higher score is not cool.
Fact is there have been many Playstation games that have had lower scores and Xbox games that have had high scores.
Re: Review: Avowed (Xbox) - Flashy Action & Excellent Exploration Make Up For A Surprisingly Breezy Narrative
@IOI Again with the ‘Tax’. Playstation has had many low scoring games. And Xbox have had high scoring games. Heck even this site gave it an 8/10 and this is a Xbox centric site. So an average of 80 on metacritic seems about right.
And you say it should have gotten a 85, but you havent even played the game so how would you know? Tin foiled hats are not a good look, bro
Re: 'Mariostro Strikers' Goes Viral As Ridiculous Rip-Off Appears On Xbox
This is so bad. Mariostro 🤣🤦🏻♂️
Re: Xbox Has 'Right Approach' To Exclusives & PlayStation May Follow, Suggests Ori Dev
@HonestHick Fair points! Like i said everything is possible, but first one is such a hypothetical. Ofcourse different decisions might be made if things change. But for now, i’d say it’s unlikely, but anything is possible.
As for the second point about having Steam on Xbox. I think that Sony will definitely try to come up with something at that point, maybe there’s a way for not allowing their games on certain hardware. Or they might think twice before releasing some titles to PC. Or maybe by that point they just wouldnt care if some games could be indirectly played on Xbox hardware after a while who knows 🤷🏻♂️
Re: Xbox Has 'Right Approach' To Exclusives & PlayStation May Follow, Suggests Ori Dev
Going multiplat might be good for selling more games, but it usually goes with the cost of losing console share, which is an important focus for them. Playstation would be foolish to give away their lead in hardware console share by going full multiplat with their games. Right now they get all the games from all publishers and get a 30% share of all games sold through their platform. And they would give up their huge lead in console hardware like that? Ofcourse anything is possible, but it’s highly unlikely and not to mention foolish.
Re: Xbox's South Of Midnight Brings Folklore Magic To Game Pass This April
@HonestHick Wow dude, you seem to go from here to there in the conversation. I think i’ll just let it go cause you’re obviously on a whole different mission here and i’ll let you to it. 😉
Honest advice, i feel like you’re having a bad time because as you said, what some people are saying on “the other site” about GP and Xbox. But you have to understand it goes both ways. And some Xbox users are very toxic on there as well. You should not let it get to you so much! Take care bro 👍🏼🫶🏼
Re: Xbox's South Of Midnight Brings Folklore Magic To Game Pass This April
@HonestHick Oh no, i didn't think you were. I’m truly just trying to understand the points you’re making so i can give a well thought out response.
I guess your main gripe is the future roadmap of only first party games right? (3rd party exclusives don't count?)
Well i have to agree with you, as of now, we don’t have a lot of release dates for first party ps games. But to be fair, before today those xbox games didn't have any release dates as well. So maybe wait till the next state of play and im sure their roadmap will be revealed a bit more.
What Playstation does is complement their ‘lack’ of first party games with 3rd party exclusives. So end of the day they still deliver in terms of games. I dont think people playing Helldivers 2, Stellar blade, Rebirth or Silent hill care if it’s first party or not, they’re just great games.
Re: Xbox's South Of Midnight Brings Folklore Magic To Game Pass This April
@HonestHick I don't get the point. Playstation is always secretive about their roadmap, but end of the day they delivered more than 10 exclusives last year. Saying some didn't sell so well, is in my opinion a bit nitpicky. And may i say, quite ironic in a discussion between xbox and ps games.
It’s only natural for Xbox output to grow substantially after acquiring two of the biggest publishers in the world, not a real surprise there.
However i agree, i wish Playstation was more transparent with their roadmap, cause this doesnt work for me either. But even though Playstation has less studios, it hasn’t prevented them from delivering a good amount of games. Just as Astro bot was announced like two months before it came out, this year might still have many announcements waiting for us.
Re: Reaction: Xbox's Killer January Showcase Proves That Its Games Pipeline Is Finally Ready
@WildConcept6 Why so concerned with Playstation my man? If you’re eating good over at Xbox, just enjoy your meal 😉
Don’t worry so much about Playstation and it’s exclusives, they had like 10 exclusives last year alone. Some of them winning multiple awards, it’s all good.