LogicStrikesAgain

I honestly don’t understand what a new Xbox console could bring, to persuade people to buy a Xbox. Is better hardware going to make a difference? Series X already had the better hardware. Unless they go back to exclusive games, why would anyone go out and buy Xbox’s all of a sudden? This is one of the worst sold generation for Xbox, and somehow a newer Xbox would sell better? I don’t get it. I say, the only way for them to sell their consoles is to make their games exclusives. Exclusives sell consoles

Of course everyone is going to come here with some stupid and immature examples like S*xBox, TripleX box, Xbox series Y, XOBX, Xbox: The Freshmaker, Xbox Xtra S, Series X the Boxilicious, XboxStation, PlayBox, Xbox series Switch, I can’t believe it’s not an Xbox, PCBox, XROG Ally X, The Fresh Box of X Air, CloudBox, Xbox: The Series

But not me, i won’t stoop to that level

@Sol4ris To be fair, those games you mentioned weren’t remakes, except for TLOU.

Most remakes Sony makes are from the PS2 and PS3 era like Demon Souls, Ratchet and Clank and Shadow of the Colossus. Only TLOU and Until Dawn as far as i know are recent games (where TLOU is also already 12 years old, so not that recent) But they do get a lot of flack for making remakes, so i think his comment was fair enough

@Onlyboxmatters You mean like Demon Souls, Ratchet and Clank, Shadow of the Colossus and the Last of Us part 1? How were these bad for the gaming industry and gamers?

All depends on the games for me, always have, always will.

First time series X got shown, i was set on buying it. But unfortunately the games just didn’t appeal to me enough to buy. And now most are coming to PS, so i don’t have much incentive buying a whole other console.

Only way i buy a next gen Xbox is if they go back to exclusivity. I know some disagree with exclusivity. But thats how i choose a console, for their games. And if those games keep coming to PS, i won’t be buying a Xbox. However i’m open to being persuaded by whatever Xbox comes up with for next gen.

As for this whole PC like thing, it’s all much too vague for me to even have an opinion on it, i just have to see how they’ll differentiate themselves and make it attractive enough compared to just building your own PC. But frankly, not to keen on PC myself. I want a more hassle free console experience.

But at this point i don’t really care about the hardware, both Xbox Prime and PS6 will have great hardware, it’s the games i’m interested in

@Ricky-Spanish Hehe, all good bro! 🙏🏼💛

Btw, i appreciate the call out on my tone, i’m trying not to come across as too dismissive. Thanks for keeping it respectful 😉

@Ricky-Spanish Dude, i’m just reacting to him, this comment section is about giving opinions. If some people say this upgrade is unnecessary thats fine. But i will bring nuance to it, because some would like to play AC Shadows in fidelity mode with 60fps in stead of 30fps. Lets move one

@Ricky-Spanish If you read his comment correctly he did actually say “which confirms that this mid-gen upgrade is unnecessary.”

In his follow up post he says “I firmly believe”. Which i totally respect

And of course i see what you’re saying, because that was basically what i was arguing

@fatpunkslim Some people might find it necessary to upgrade from their PS4 and are happy with the different choices they now get to have. Maybe some do want to play AC Shadows with 60fps in fidelity mode.

But you’ve changed your stance in saying you believe it’s unnecessary, which i totally respect. It isn’t for everyone

@Ricky-Spanish He confirms this mid gen upgrade is unnecessary, thats not an opinion. I am merely bringing nuance to his statement. But if you don’t like nuance in a debate feel free to think in black and white.

I’m not being condescending, i am being critical, but doing my best in presenting a reasonable and nuanced response and comparison. If i come across as condescending to the poster, i apologize. @fatpunkslim

By the way, no comment here is really necessary, these are all thoughts and reactions from people to the article and each other

@fatpunkslim “which confirms that this mid-gen upgrade is unnecessary.”

What if you’re upgrading from a PS4/PS4 Pro though, as many millions still game on those consoles. What you call unnecessary, i call choices. It all depends on where you’re upgrading from. The Pro is not solely marketed to current PS5 owners, many haven’t upgraded yet from older consoles.

For example, is the Iphone 16 Pro unnecessary? If you’re upgrading from a 15 Pro maybe, but maybe not if you’re upgrading from an Iphone 11. And even then, is it truly ‘necessary’? Even that is still a perfectly usable phone. I mean, are $1000 phones necessary in the first place? I’d argue not much in the luxury gadget space is actually necessary. People just buy what they want.

I’d bet some PC players would argue that buying a new graphics card and other components to go from 30 to 60 fps and a little more ray tracing or graphical fidelity is important to them. Necessary? Probably not, but people like to spend on their hobbies if they feel it’s worth it.

Also with AC: Shadows, the Pro version apparently offers the base PS5 Fidelity mode with 60fps in stead of 30 fps. Which doesn't seem that marginal. People buy whole new cards or CPUs to get double the frames with the same fidelity. Seems pretty much in line with a small card upgrade or ‘mid gen upgrade’

I don’t know. What does ‘not really taken off” mean? There are many more VR sets sold than for example a Steamdeck, yet the Steamdeck seems to be discussed as if its a raging succes and everyone wants to go the PC handheld route.

I know PX is talking about PSVR2 here, which in that particular case might be true, that it hasn’t really taken off. But the quoted article talks about VR in general it seems to me, and while it might not be a raging succes, VR definitely has a market

I’m guessing it’ll just be OW2 and CoD, and maybe the Oblivion remake. Which is still very solid! Those other games we’ve seen little to nothing from, i really doubt they’d suddenly be releasing this year

@Prestige-worldwide Well, that’s one pretty looking engine that’s for sure

@Kaloudz I agree, the gameplay footage so far looks amazing! Especially that last shot indeed, i don’t know what but it’s so compelling and makes me want to explore the world.

Does anyone know what engine is being used for this game? Is it Unreal?

Yo, that looks amazing! 🤩

Too bad. Fable is one of the Xbox titles i was excited to see more of. But i understand their decision. Let them cook! 👨🏻‍🍳

@fatpunkslim “it seems there are more former exclusives on Xbox than the other way around”

This must be a joke, right? Seeing as Xbox is in the middle of porting it’s exclusive games library to PS5.

“but the fact is that Xbox has more exclusives than PS, even if some are temporary. Just look at Xbox's lineup with Stalker 2, Avowed, South of Midnight, Mechabreak, etc... And what about PS? Nothing!”

• Ghost of Yotei
• Lost Soul Aside
• The Midnight Walk
• Midnight Murder Club
• Death Stranding 2

@Millionski Are you seriously wondering why people aren't talking about those games? Well first off, FF16, FF7 and Silent Hill 2 remake aren’t even on Xbox. Why would people talk about them?

If you take away those 3 games, you just mentioned a few indie titles and a bunch of 3rd party series that have been multiplat since the PS360 days. Why would people talk about that now? 🤷🏻‍♂️

No narratives going on, besides the one you’re creating for yourself

@Toot1st Funnily enough the comment after yours explains why i asked that question.

“death stranding has always been very controversial. Not even mentioning its now not a sony studio and it will be timed exclusive.”

I hear so many arguments that games Sony publishes don't seem to count cause they are not made by a Playstation studio.

Thats why i put my question mark at Ninja Gaiden being classified as an Xbox first party. But it was meant satirical. I’m just doing what some Xbox users seem to do, which is moving goalposts around.

Personally, i do consider games such as Helldivers 2, Death Stranding 2 and Lost Soul Aside, which are published by Playstation, to be first party. And i also consider Ninja Gaiden to be first party. I was just being a bit tongue in cheek and satirical with my comment. Just wanted to show the type of reasoning i usually get bombarded with when taking about Playstation first party output

@armondo36 Everyone gets that. Thats not hard to get. But obviously thats not the way Xbox and a large part of their user base wanted things to have gone. Basically they’re saying they wanted to sell consoles but just couldn't, and now they have to put everything on Playstation because they’d rather have the 70% in stead of missing out on it.

It’s not that people don’t get that this is going to financially be a healthier choice, thats easy to see. But this path was their 2nd choice. Preferably they would have wanted to have grown their consoles and get the sales and profit a 100% for themselves. Now they have to pivot and its going to take a bit of a mental pivot as well for some of the user base to get to terms with this. But everyone will get used to it soon, that’s just how things go.

@Sol4ris Trust me i get it, it’s actually meant as satire. I’ve been bombarded lately with comments saying games such as Death Stranding 2 and Lost Soul Aside don't count as first party games even though they are published by Playstation. I’m with you though, i’d classify these games as first party since Xbox publishes them and probably partly even funds some of them.

Ninja Gaiden 4 being developed by a Xbox studio? 🤔

While the value is definitely there with Game Pass no doubt, you do have to recognize that it has to do with what games you want to play. Not everyone will be interested with the games on the service. For some people it might be cheaper buying those few games they are interested in separately. And that will always be the case.

For example, if these are the games you want to play this year: GTA6, AC Shadows, Monster Hunter Wilds, Death Stranding 2, Phantom Blade Zero, Ghost of Yotei, Like a Dragon, Split Fiction, Elden Ring Nightreign, Tides of Annihilation, Metal Gear Delta, then subscribing to Game Pass would not help you out.

Yes, Game Pass is good value. But some of the best games of the year, like the once mentioned above are not going to the service, so you will still have to buy those separately, on top of the $240 a year subscription.

What i’m trying to say is yes, the service holds a lot of value. But whether it’s valuable to someone will always be different based on personal circumstance. So there will always be a debate with people arguing both sides.

For some, it will the best service ever. And for others it might be like a Netflix subscription they hardly use, because they’re into shows not available on that streaming platform.

I had the OG Xbox and all i can remember is playing Splinter Cell, i had some more games but i cant remember what they were, it was such a short gen for Xbox. And then moved on to the Xbox360 which quickly became the CoD machine for me and everyone i knew. Ah, the memories 😊 Ended up owning two Xbox 360s lol with a whole lot of games

Fun fact: I’ve owned a Xbox every generation, except this one, but have never played a Halo or Gears game. Maybe like a hour total at a friends house once (on the OG)

@Titntin Thanks man! Always appreciate seeing people with some common sense. I wasn’t even trying to console war, it’s just that i’m somewhat triggered when i see cognitive bias, and then i feel compelled to react to it 😅

Tbf, i should probably contain myself a bit when criticizing anything Xbox (tax) related on this site, i’m sure most here just want to enjoy their preffered platform in peace, and i respect that. Also, didn't want to derail the comment section with off topic stuff. I just cant help myself sometimes, when i see some weird stuff being said, from both sides btw.

Great to hear man, i hope you enjoy the game! I watched the Digital Foundry review and came away a bit more convinced. But i’m actually waiting to see more from Fable myself.

@GeeForce Ah yes, so if games score higher on Xbox it’s because they run better. And if they get scored higher on Playstation it’s because of Xbox tax, got it! Learning so much today.

@SMJ Not starting a console war at all, just reacting to false claims being made about made up taxes.

I brought those games up to show you that the same games don't automatically get scored higher on Playstation.

And if those 2 games get scored higher on Playstation, still doesn't prove there’s a Xbox tax, i’m sorry.

Ironically, one of those games i listed went to Xbox recently and got scored higher there, is that Playstation tax? 😆

Honestly, you lost me with your last comment. I dont know what your point is anymore. But for everybodys sake, lets just stop arguing about this. You know what, i’ll even agree with you, the tax is real! 😁

@SMJ I guess i don't know what your point is then lol.

What i thought you were saying is, “see how the same games will get higher scores on Playstation, because of the Xbox Tax.”

My point is there is no ‘Xbox Tax’, and therefore provided a list of games that are both on Playstation and Xbox, which got higher scores on Xbox.

And with Concord i’m pointing out that Playstation games also get low scores, proving there is no bias towards Playstation games, as they get dunked on as well if they’re bad.

And i cant mention those 2 games, cause they havent released yet, so i cant just fabricate some PS scores for them, who knows what their scores will be 🤷🏻‍♂️

Also find it ironic when you say Concord had such low scores because people didn’t like it (which is true), but when Xbox games get low scores it must be because of “Xbox tax”

@SMJ You mean like:

• Deathloop? Xbox: 89, PS 88.
• Ghostwire: Tokyo? Xbox: 82, PS: 75.
• Baldurs Gate 3? Xbox: 99, PS: 96.
• Sea of Stars maybe? Xbox: 89, PS: 87
• Dead Space remake? Xbox: 90, PS: 89
• Death Stranding? Xbox: 91, PS: 85
• Alan Wake 2: Xbox: 90, PS: 89

All higher scores on Xbox. Did they forget to pay their taxes? 😅

• Forza Horizon 5: 92
• Microsoft Flight Simulator: 90
• Diablo 4: 91
• Psychonauts: 87 (91 on Xbox one)
• Halo Infinite : 87

Were these games exempted from the ‘Xbox tax’?

Meanwhile PS games also get lower scores. Think Concord and Lego Horizon for example.

But if you want to keep telling yourself that the “Tax” is real, be my guest.

@Hurblyburbly Some people think that there are websites who purposefully lower their review scores because they are biased and don't want Xbox games to get high scores. I don’t know if there’s an exact definition lol, but that’s how it comes across to me.

@Lup You’re right, but this “Tax” narrative has gone on for a long time. And people got real mad when PureXbox gave games like Indy and Stalker 2 low scores.

But you’re right though, neither said anything about this site per se, so just ignore that part 😅

@Lup The one making the accusation has to provide the proof, not the other way around. Yes, some bias might be present anywhere, from both sides, but accusing the integrity of reviewers(even reviewers from this website sometimes) without any proof is not cool.

And copying a small snippet from a bad review is not proof, as would copying from a great review not be proof that its objectively great. Since reviews are all just subjective opinions from the people who wrote it.

Scores may not always be in line with what you think they should be, but blaming people for being dishonest because you wanted it to have a higher score is not cool.

Fact is there have been many Playstation games that have had lower scores and Xbox games that have had high scores.

@IOI Again with the ‘Tax’. Playstation has had many low scoring games. And Xbox have had high scoring games. Heck even this site gave it an 8/10 and this is a Xbox centric site. So an average of 80 on metacritic seems about right.

And you say it should have gotten a 85, but you havent even played the game so how would you know? Tin foiled hats are not a good look, bro

This is so bad. Mariostro 🤣🤦🏻‍♂️

@HonestHick Fair points! Like i said everything is possible, but first one is such a hypothetical. Ofcourse different decisions might be made if things change. But for now, i’d say it’s unlikely, but anything is possible.

As for the second point about having Steam on Xbox. I think that Sony will definitely try to come up with something at that point, maybe there’s a way for not allowing their games on certain hardware. Or they might think twice before releasing some titles to PC. Or maybe by that point they just wouldnt care if some games could be indirectly played on Xbox hardware after a while who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️

Going multiplat might be good for selling more games, but it usually goes with the cost of losing console share, which is an important focus for them. Playstation would be foolish to give away their lead in hardware console share by going full multiplat with their games. Right now they get all the games from all publishers and get a 30% share of all games sold through their platform. And they would give up their huge lead in console hardware like that? Ofcourse anything is possible, but it’s highly unlikely and not to mention foolish.

@HonestHick Wow dude, you seem to go from here to there in the conversation. I think i’ll just let it go cause you’re obviously on a whole different mission here and i’ll let you to it. 😉

Honest advice, i feel like you’re having a bad time because as you said, what some people are saying on “the other site” about GP and Xbox. But you have to understand it goes both ways. And some Xbox users are very toxic on there as well. You should not let it get to you so much! Take care bro 👍🏼🫶🏼

@HonestHick Oh no, i didn't think you were. I’m truly just trying to understand the points you’re making so i can give a well thought out response.

I guess your main gripe is the future roadmap of only first party games right? (3rd party exclusives don't count?)

Well i have to agree with you, as of now, we don’t have a lot of release dates for first party ps games. But to be fair, before today those xbox games didn't have any release dates as well. So maybe wait till the next state of play and im sure their roadmap will be revealed a bit more.

What Playstation does is complement their ‘lack’ of first party games with 3rd party exclusives. So end of the day they still deliver in terms of games. I dont think people playing Helldivers 2, Stellar blade, Rebirth or Silent hill care if it’s first party or not, they’re just great games.

@HonestHick I don't get the point. Playstation is always secretive about their roadmap, but end of the day they delivered more than 10 exclusives last year. Saying some didn't sell so well, is in my opinion a bit nitpicky. And may i say, quite ironic in a discussion between xbox and ps games.

It’s only natural for Xbox output to grow substantially after acquiring two of the biggest publishers in the world, not a real surprise there.

However i agree, i wish Playstation was more transparent with their roadmap, cause this doesnt work for me either. But even though Playstation has less studios, it hasn’t prevented them from delivering a good amount of games. Just as Astro bot was announced like two months before it came out, this year might still have many announcements waiting for us.

@WildConcept6 Why so concerned with Playstation my man? If you’re eating good over at Xbox, just enjoy your meal 😉

Don’t worry so much about Playstation and it’s exclusives, they had like 10 exclusives last year alone. Some of them winning multiple awards, it’s all good.

Bro relax, no one is saying Game Pass is not a good deal lol. But its only a good deal if you’re mostly into Xbox games. Just a small fragment of the top games come out on Game Pass. If the games people want to play don't come to Game Pass then its not gonna be of so much value to them.

@Rog-X Some people want to buy their games instead of renting it for $20 a month.

@HonestHick I’m assuming you’re referring to Push Square as the other website? Funny, how your first thought is to mention Playstation after an Xbox showcase.

There may have been many cancellations, however don’t worry, Playstation gamers have been eating good every year since the console came out. Last year alone had Stellar Blade, Rebirth, Rise of the Ronin, Helldivers 2, Silent Hill and Astro Bot to name a few.

I dont understand what you mean by seeing the difference?

@Rog-X What are you talking about? What type of game? If this didnt release as a Xbox console exclusive and was marketed properly (it got shadow dropped without prior marketing) it wouldve sold just fine, especially with the critical acclaim it got.

Its not even a triple A game, so it doesnt need a huge budget. A sequel, provided it has the same quality as the first, has the potention to sell just fine. Especially if it’s not made exclusive to a platform with a userbase that isn’t particularly prone to buying games.

@IOI Not that i’m saying that any leak is cool to share, but since you bring up the Insomniac leak. You do see the difference in magnitude of those two leaks right? This one is 90GB, relating only to old game content, so there’s no roadmap to leak, and as far as we know doesnt include private employee info.

Insomniacs data was being held for ransom for the amount of $2million dollars.
The Insomniac leak was a devastating 1670GB leak where ALL of their future plans got leaked, including financials, licensing deals, private employee information and documents including passports. Whole builds of games currently in development are playable, which caused delays in development and marketing, ehich cost them a lot of money. All employees sensitive information from where they live to emails and video meetings, even their t shirt sizes were leaked. Now thats dangerous in any case, but in this industry where devs are sometimes personally targeted by angry costumers its even scarier.

I dont even have much of an opinion right now about the morality of looking at leaked documents. But implying its somehow wrong that part of the industry didnt want to discuss the leaks out of “respect” seems a bit insensitive. There were many people discussing the cr*p out of it btw, there are tons of videos on youtube about it, even playing all the builds and leaking the whole roadmap. But I do understand that professional websites would not want to do that.

@The-Chosen-one Actually, Push Square has already been doing this for this for years now… I think they started it in 2018 and they update it periodically.

While i agree that this analysis seems pretty vague. Back at their sister site the same article quoted this analysis with saying “Sony or Microsoft will mightily struggle in a distant third place”

That doesnt sound like an unreasonable outcome to me. That is basically whats happening right now already. Would anyone argue that Xbox isnt struggling in distant third place with their console sales right now? They are selling significantly less YoY every month.

I can imagine that, if Xbox does nothing different console wise and tries to compete with Playstation head on in the high end console market, that they might indeed see themselves yet again” struggling mightily in a distant third place”. This is already Xbox’s worst generstion in terms of console sales, and i can definitely see it getting worse next gen if some Xbox users go to PS. Again, if Xbox changes nothing and just tries to compete with Playstation the same way they have.

I’m not saying the Xbox console should leave, but saying that one of them will not be doing great, and betting it wont be Sony seems like a pretty reasonable take. I can see that becoming a reality, although to be fair, anything can happen.

@Banjo- Lol! 😂

Im more of a Playstation guy myself (Shock, I know). But i meant it in a good way.