@Kienda not really the same naughty dog has never made game for xbox and insomniac has always been predominantly playstation only having sunset overdrive and fuse on xbox. So when sony bought them xbox didn't really lose anything while Bethesda has a bunch of games they've developed for playstation over the years.
@UnusedBabyWipes That's funny because this community was telling anyone with a pulse how playstation blocked Final fantasy 7 remake from xbox without having any proof of a xbox port ever existing.
How do you tell someone they have enough time to make a competitor when you yourself couldn't make a competitor ? Hell they had to buy Bethesda just to have a decent library this generation and apparently that wasn't doable for the last 10 years. My goodness the balls on this company.
@cragis0001 Japan's regulators will make it hard for Microsoft to buy any of the big three (sega,SE,capcom) if the Activision deal goes through I think you can pretty much put a cap on Microsoft acquiring any other big publishers. Governments are not gonna just let them buy up business just because they have the capital to do so, after all regulators exist for the purpose of controlling things like this.
@Kaloudz Yes SE sold Intellectual property to embracer group such as crystal dynamics along with titles like tomb raider etc. But as you know selling single ips/studios from your company vs selling the entire company it's self are two totally different things.
As it relates to Microsoft and jrpgs I believe MS will have to become a much bigger presents in Japan for a company like SE to feel comfortable consistently porting games to the console. It's my understanding that Phil Spencer and Microsoft are trying to do that but in my honest opinion they're going about it the wrong way. Getting 7 year old games that are already ingrained in the fabric of playstation and Nintendo is not gonna move the needle.
Don't get me wrong Persona was a hit on gamepass but that was more so amongst western gamers on Xbox than it was anybody in Japan. Instead of going after games already on ps/Nintendo I think xbox should focus on making their own original exclusive jrpgs and if they can't make their own find up and coming Japanese studios that can. In that way if the games are any good the Japanese gaming market won't be able to ignore them, they would essentially have to buy an Xbox to play them or at the very least subscribe to gamepass on a device of their choosing.
Then once SE and other Japanese gaming companies who don't normally ports games to Xbox see that a chunk of their market is on xbox consoles, they may have no choice but to port their own games to Xbox. That's just my opinion anyway.
@Kaloudz Actions speaks louder than words, what I mean by this is that if Microsoft felt sqaures games were really that important to their brand they could have and would have easily out bid sony for exclusivity, they certainly have the capital to do it. Ff16 and ff remake/rebirth are 2 of sqaures biggest games that will release in the next 2 years, don’t you think xbox would have fought for that if they really valued it ? That's why I think it's highly unlikely MS would make a big deal of sony buying SE if it were to happen.
I'm gonna be honest xbox probably has as much of an incentive to get SE games on the console just as much as SE has incentive to port them there. If that's the case I don't blame either company, for example ff15 a (main line ff game) launched on both ps4 and xbox one with 79% of the sales being on ps while only 14% being on Xbox, that's not good. I'm no mathematician but not even a 3rd of xbox player base bought the game and this is before gamepass was even a thing.
Another thing to keep in mind is SE core player base is and has been for the most part Japan. I'm sure this is not news to anyone around here but Japanese people don't buy xbox, a recent sales chart for consoles in Japan released and xbox current gen consoles weren't even in 3rd place it's literally being outsold by ps4 😲 let that sink in.
With all that said the question for jrpg fans on Xbox shouldn't be why is SE is skipping xbox but rather why do I continue to buy into an ecosystem where the genre I'm interested in has no presence ?
Oh and I wouldn't bank on MS ever buying SE, not saying it's impossible but Japanese regulators would probably shut it down in a quick minute. They're going to protect the interest of other Japanese companies (sony and Nintendo) especially since Sqaures main player base is Japanese. SE would have to be in dire financial straits with no other Japanese businesses stepping up for a merger before they'd even consider letting an outside source (particularly American ) buy them out.
@Kaloudz There would be no concern about player movement because SE core fanbase has been on Nintendo,Playstation or pc since their inception. As I said SE has never had a strong player base on Xbox, which is why Microsoft wouldn't really have objections for a sony/square buyout. Nintendo would be the only ones who might have a problem but even that seems farfetched being that Nintendo and SE haven't been on the same page since final fantasy 5.
@Kaloudz sony wouldn't have to assure SE games stay multiplat because SE games don't make as much money on Xbox the way COD makes money on playstation.
@mousieone I've already said I could careless about call of duty I even said I have no problem with Ms buy studios.
What I have a problem with is them trying to monopolize gaming because Activision is not just a studio they're a billion dollar publisher.
That's worst then sony locking down a franchise That's been synonymous with playstation since the 90s.
Plus I think you forgot at one point xbox did lock up call of duty 2 exclusively the whole damn game. Sony has never done that to my knowledge they've only ever had exclusive skins, earl6 beta access etc.
@Sol4ris I could careless about Activision or call of duty and I have no problem with xbox buying them as far as I care about those games. I also have no problem with sony trying to stop the acquisition begin that cod has been a big source of revenue for them for years.
The problem I have with Microsoft is they're are trying to take short cuts by monopolizing gaming. Instead they should be helping their studios actually released games that way.
@Sol4ris Sony and square go as for back to 1994. Both companies are on record saying that if it had not been for their partnership neither might exist today. Another thing xbox fans need to understand is just because a company is 3rd party doesn't mean they can't do business exclusively with another company there is no law against it.
@Sol4ris People should have been used to it square has been making playstation exclusive games since the 90s, was this community born yesterday or something 😂
@CunningPig yeah I still by what I said those games are not going into games but believe what you want just like you didn't believe they would raise prices to begin with.
@Moonglow wrong 2k was the first company to raise games prices to $70, second sony actually make quality exclusive be it cross gen or not. Plus I guarantee these games won't go into gamepass because gamepass was never meant to be a permanent selling point it was just a hold me over until xbox got their crap together in the exclusive department.
@NeutronBomb IF you think sqaure enix a company that doesn't put their games on Xbox even now would ever put FF exclusive on Xbox then I have air that I would like to sell you. As long as playstation is the market leader in consoles they will always be able to make those deal period.
@gollumb82 This deal was gonna be scrutinized by regulators whether sony complained or not, it's one of the biggest purchases in gaming history by a company that's already bought one other publisher in the past 3 years.
@awp69 Yes it received that score for a gamepass game but for someone who's already played persona on ps4 that's not enticing me on subscribing to gamepass.
@bpomber that's hilarious but in all honesty I can't knock anyone who bought a Series S. I know a lot of parents especially single moms on a budget were able to get one for their kids during the 2020 holiday.
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Re: Talking Point: Do You Feel Like You're Still Waiting For 'Next-Gen' To Arrive?
There's a couple of games for me on ps5 for me that are definitely nexgen can't speak to the xbox side.
Re: PlayStation Boss: I Don't Like Xbox's Starfield Exclusivity, But It's Not 'Anti-Competitive'
@Kienda not really the same naughty dog has never made game for xbox and insomniac has always been predominantly playstation only having sunset overdrive and fuse on xbox. So when sony bought them xbox didn't really lose anything while Bethesda has a bunch of games they've developed for playstation over the years.
Re: The Xbox Series X Is Basically A 'Mid-Gen' Console Already, Suggests Old Microsoft Comment
So essentially your pro console is not capable of giving you Starfield at 60 fps ?
Re: Poll: How Would You Grade The Xbox Games Showcase 2023?
I thought it was really good I'd give it a 7 on a scale from one to 10.
Re: Phil Spencer Says Xbox 'Needs To Improve' Its Development Process
@Tharsman How do you know it's not Phil ?
Re: Microsoft Issues Statement In Response To 'Redfall On PS5' Reports
@UnusedBabyWipes That's funny because this community was telling anyone with a pulse how playstation blocked Final fantasy 7 remake from xbox without having any proof of a xbox port ever existing.
Re: Sony Has 'Sufficient' Time To Develop Call Of Duty Alternatives, Says Microsoft
How do you tell someone they have enough time to make a competitor when you yourself couldn't make a competitor ? Hell they had to buy Bethesda just to have a decent library this generation and apparently that wasn't doable for the last 10 years. My goodness the balls on this company.
Re: 'Tchia' Could Be Heading To Xbox Following Impressive PS5 Reviews
@uptownsoul You really want high in life? Eww
Re: Popular RPG 'Sea Of Stars' Locks In August 2023 Release Date For Xbox
@PsBoxSwitchOwner bingo
Re: Report: Xbox Feels UK CMA Has 'Significantly' Overestimated The Impact Of COD Exclusivity
What does it matter if it's staying multiplat ?
Re: Rumour: First The Mini Fridge, Now We Might Be Getting An Xbox Series S Toaster
Everything but games smh
Re: Baldur's Gate 3 Devs 'Aren't Playing The Exclusivity Game' With PlayStation
@mousieone Ummm no madden would still sell better on Xbox than switch, hardware limitations alone make the choice obvious.
Re: Octopath Traveler 2's Glowing Reviews Make The Xbox Situation Even More Painful
@cragis0001 Japan's regulators will make it hard for Microsoft to buy any of the big three (sega,SE,capcom) if the Activision deal goes through I think you can pretty much put a cap on Microsoft acquiring any other big publishers. Governments are not gonna just let them buy up business just because they have the capital to do so, after all regulators exist for the purpose of controlling things like this.
Re: Octopath Traveler 2's Glowing Reviews Make The Xbox Situation Even More Painful
@Kaloudz Yes SE sold Intellectual property to embracer group such as crystal dynamics along with titles like tomb raider etc. But as you know selling single ips/studios from your company vs selling the entire company it's self are two totally different things.
As it relates to Microsoft and jrpgs I believe MS will have to become a much bigger presents in Japan for a company like SE to feel comfortable consistently porting games to the console. It's my understanding that Phil Spencer and Microsoft are trying to do that but in my honest opinion they're going about it the wrong way. Getting 7 year old games that are already ingrained in the fabric of playstation and Nintendo is not gonna move the needle.
Don't get me wrong Persona was a hit on gamepass but that was more so amongst western gamers on Xbox than it was anybody in Japan. Instead of going after games already on ps/Nintendo I think xbox should focus on making their own original exclusive jrpgs and if they can't make their own find up and coming Japanese studios that can. In that way if the games are any good the Japanese gaming market won't be able to ignore them, they would essentially have to buy an Xbox to play them or at the very least subscribe to gamepass on a device of their choosing.
Then once SE and other Japanese gaming companies who don't normally ports games to Xbox see that a chunk of their market is on xbox consoles, they may have no choice but to port their own games to Xbox. That's just my opinion anyway.
Re: Octopath Traveler 2's Glowing Reviews Make The Xbox Situation Even More Painful
@Kaloudz Actions speaks louder than words, what I mean by this is that if Microsoft felt sqaures games were really that important to their brand they could have and would have easily out bid sony for exclusivity, they certainly have the capital to do it. Ff16 and ff remake/rebirth are 2 of sqaures biggest games that will release in the next 2 years, don’t you think xbox would have fought for that if they really valued it ? That's why I think it's highly unlikely MS would make a big deal of sony buying SE if it were to happen.
I'm gonna be honest xbox probably has as much of an incentive to get SE games on the console just as much as SE has incentive to port them there. If that's the case I don't blame either company, for example ff15 a (main line ff game) launched on both ps4 and xbox one with 79% of the sales being on ps while only 14% being on Xbox, that's not good. I'm no mathematician but not even a 3rd of xbox player base bought the game and this is before gamepass was even a thing.
Another thing to keep in mind is SE core player base is and has been for the most part Japan. I'm sure this is not news to anyone around here but Japanese people don't buy xbox, a recent sales chart for consoles in Japan released and xbox current gen consoles weren't even in 3rd place it's literally being outsold by ps4 😲 let that sink in.
With all that said the question for jrpg fans on Xbox shouldn't be why is SE is skipping xbox but rather why do I continue to buy into an ecosystem where the genre I'm interested in has no presence ?
Oh and I wouldn't bank on MS ever buying SE, not saying it's impossible but Japanese regulators would probably shut it down in a quick minute. They're going to protect the interest of other Japanese companies (sony and Nintendo) especially since Sqaures main player base is Japanese. SE would have to be in dire financial straits with no other Japanese businesses stepping up for a merger before they'd even consider letting an outside source (particularly American ) buy them out.
Re: Octopath Traveler 2's Glowing Reviews Make The Xbox Situation Even More Painful
@Kaloudz There would be no concern about player movement because SE core fanbase has been on Nintendo,Playstation or pc since their inception. As I said SE has never had a strong player base on Xbox, which is why Microsoft wouldn't really have objections for a sony/square buyout. Nintendo would be the only ones who might have a problem but even that seems farfetched being that Nintendo and SE haven't been on the same page since final fantasy 5.
Re: Octopath Traveler 2's Glowing Reviews Make The Xbox Situation Even More Painful
@Kaloudz sony wouldn't have to assure SE games stay multiplat because SE games don't make as much money on Xbox the way COD makes money on playstation.
Re: Octopath Traveler 2's Glowing Reviews Make The Xbox Situation Even More Painful
@senote ff7 remake came out 2020
Re: Octopath Traveler 2's Glowing Reviews Make The Xbox Situation Even More Painful
@EvenStephen7 I swear you'll be the only one who makes a rational realistic comment on this subject lol
Re: 'Challenging' Sci-Fi Shooter 'Scars Above' Heads To Xbox Later This Month
This is clearly ripping off returnal except it except it's looks like a low quality rip off.
Re: Microsoft CEO Suggests ActiBlizz Deal Would Help Xbox 'Compete' In Japan
Sounds like desperation which tells me they are not that confident in this going through.
Re: Konami Is Open To More 'Silent Hill' Pitches After Announcing PS5-Exclusive Remake
"My plan is to play my backlog and Game Pass until Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade and XVI are released on Xbox"
You must plan on living forever and ever lol.
Re: Microsoft Causes Confusion With Statement About Sony 'Excluding' Games From Xbox
@Para1966 Ummm maybe so you can separate yourself from your competitors.
Re: Microsoft Causes Confusion With Statement About Sony 'Excluding' Games From Xbox
@mousieone Yes
Re: Xbox Fans Want To Know What's Going On With Square Enix In 2023
@mousieone It would be fine because they've already done it in the past i.e call of duty 2, mass effect, tomb raider.
Re: Xbox Fans Want To Know What's Going On With Square Enix In 2023
@mousieone I've already said I could careless about call of duty I even said I have no problem with Ms buy studios.
What I have a problem with is them trying to monopolize gaming because Activision is not just a studio they're a billion dollar publisher.
That's worst then sony locking down a franchise That's been synonymous with playstation since the 90s.
Plus I think you forgot at one point xbox did lock up call of duty 2 exclusively the whole damn game. Sony has never done that to my knowledge they've only ever had exclusive skins, earl6 beta access etc.
Re: Xbox Fans Want To Know What's Going On With Square Enix In 2023
@mousieone what's the difference between single games and a publisher ?
Re: Xbox Fans Want To Know What's Going On With Square Enix In 2023
@Sol4ris I could careless about Activision or call of duty and I have no problem with xbox buying them as far as I care about those games. I also have no problem with sony trying to stop the acquisition begin that cod has been a big source of revenue for them for years.
The problem I have with Microsoft is they're are trying to take short cuts by monopolizing gaming. Instead they should be helping their studios actually released games that way.
Re: Xbox Fans Want To Know What's Going On With Square Enix In 2023
@Sol4ris Sony and square go as for back to 1994. Both companies are on record saying that if it had not been for their partnership neither might exist today. Another thing xbox fans need to understand is just because a company is 3rd party doesn't mean they can't do business exclusively with another company there is no law against it.
Re: Xbox Fans Want To Know What's Going On With Square Enix In 2023
@Sol4ris People should have been used to it square has been making playstation exclusive games since the 90s, was this community born yesterday or something 😂
Re: Xbox Fans Want To Know What's Going On With Square Enix In 2023
I believe sony will eventually buy a big portion of SE if not the whole thing so all of this will probably eventually be put to bed.
Re: Microsoft Refers To Lack Of Xbox Exclusives As Why ActiBlizz Deal Should Be Approved
@Moonglow playstation brought small studios and developed them. Microsoft is buying a billion dollar 3rd party publisher. How are those the same ?
Re: Review: High On Life - Bland Shooting Action Meets Stoner Humour That's An Acquired Taste
@Cikajovazmaj Nothing of quality is given for cheap, in most cases you get what you pay for and that's seems to be true for gamepass.
Re: Review: High On Life - Bland Shooting Action Meets Stoner Humour That's An Acquired Taste
@Cikajovazmaj "Does adding it to GP library make it OK for the game to be bad?"
Isn't that kinda of the selling point of gamepass ? You can take a chance on a game and even it's crap it's Kool because you didn't pay for it.
Re: Poll: How Would You Grade The Game Awards 2022?
@bpomber Facts
Re: Xbox First-Party Games Are Officially Getting A Price Increase In 2023
@CunningPig yeah I still by what I said those games are not going into games but believe what you want just like you didn't believe they would raise prices to begin with.
Re: Xbox First-Party Games Are Officially Getting A Price Increase In 2023
@Moonglow wrong 2k was the first company to raise games prices to $70, second sony actually make quality exclusive be it cross gen or not. Plus I guarantee these games won't go into gamepass because gamepass was never meant to be a permanent selling point it was just a hold me over until xbox got their crap together in the exclusive department.
Re: Xbox First-Party Games Are Officially Getting A Price Increase In 2023
@Rmg0731 exactly I wanna see that same energy that this entire site had for playstation.
Re: Xbox First-Party Games Are Officially Getting A Price Increase In 2023
I'm just here for the mental gymnastics.
Re: Random: Xbox Is Now Selling Mini 'Hoodies' For Its Wireless Controllers
@Stoneceltic bruh I was thinking the same thing it's crazy lol.
Re: Microsoft 'Likely' To Offer Remedies Soon For Activision Blizzard Deal In Europe, Claims Report
@Dezzy70 perhaps Phil Spencer could have not turned down marvel when they offered xbox a chance to make a marvel game.
Re: Report: US FTC 'Likely' To File Lawsuit Against Xbox's Activision Blizzard Deal
@NeutronBomb IF you think sqaure enix a company that doesn't put their games on Xbox even now would ever put FF exclusive on Xbox then I have air that I would like to sell you. As long as playstation is the market leader in consoles they will always be able to make those deal period.
Re: Report: US FTC 'Likely' To File Lawsuit Against Xbox's Activision Blizzard Deal
@gollumb82 This deal was gonna be scrutinized by regulators whether sony complained or not, it's one of the biggest purchases in gaming history by a company that's already bought one other publisher in the past 3 years.
Re: Report: US FTC 'Likely' To File Lawsuit Against Xbox's Activision Blizzard Deal
@pip_muzz Too bad playstation already has the marketing rights to resident evil and gta games for that little fantasy to actually happen.
Re: Gungrave G.O.R.E Receives Mixed Reviews Alongside Xbox Game Pass Launch
@awp69 Yes it received that score for a gamepass game but for someone who's already played persona on ps4 that's not enticing me on subscribing to gamepass.
Re: Gungrave G.O.R.E Receives Mixed Reviews Alongside Xbox Game Pass Launch
@awp69 persona 5 is a 7 year old game and it's the highest rated game that's not really good in my opinion.
Re: Gungrave G.O.R.E Receives Mixed Reviews Alongside Xbox Game Pass Launch
@awp69 He's not wrong
Re: Microsoft Is Dropping The Price Of Xbox Series S For Black Friday 2022
@bpomber that's hilarious but in all honesty I can't knock anyone who bought a Series S. I know a lot of parents especially single moms on a budget were able to get one for their kids during the 2020 holiday.
Re: Pentiment Is The Best Xbox Game Studios Release Of 2022, Say Critics
Not trying to be a jerk but that's not saying much.
Re: EU Commission Employee Frustrates Xbox Fans With Ill-Advised Call Of Duty Comment
@Dr_Luigi They want it for consoles wars let's be real.