"Microsoft put forward an offer that would license Call of Duty to Sony for 15 years. This agreement would first last for five years, and then it would go on for another ten years. Hence, bringing the total period of this proposal to a remarkable 15 years."
many of the original documents from reddit are gone
"We were absolutely thrilled to be able to negotiate a deal with Microsoft" this is false "Jim Ryan said โI donโt want a new Call of Duty deal. I just want to block your merger,โ according to Activision executive Lulu Cheng Meservey. The comment was made on February 21st, the day behind closed doors meetings were held with the EU"
MS also offered a 15 year deal plus all ABK games according to FTC files sony/jim had to accept a 10 year deal possibly without future ABK games which is possibly one reason of the many reasons sony got rid of him and didnt actually retire
most likely it reached that much with sales i wouldnt really count those UNLESS you have profit info based on the past info and current sales i would say its about breaking even or a bit higher which is not worthit for such a long running IP and the dev time plus the budget
"these sales do not include the PC copies sold." according to steamspy its about "200,000 .. 500,000" which is nothing special again for a game with such a high budget and long running IP ive seen new IPs with lesser budget sell much higher
overall seems like a downtrend based on the info i stated this is not including the failure movie they made [Ratchet & Clank grossed $8.8 million in North America and $5.6 million in other territories for a worldwide total of $14.4 million, against a production budget of $20 million.]
id say giveup on the IP at least for now and try something else like the legend of dragoon ramake and do a ratchet original trilogy remaster/remake but that just me
@MrMagic "I just remembered the $145 million but it wasn't profit, but the game has made $73 million profit so far. That's a far cry from the -8million you claimed." -"Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart Sold 2.2 Million Units, Incurred an $8 Million Loss" "UPDATE: More recent data seems to have emerged from the leak, suggesting that Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart had shipped over 2.7 million units as of February 2022 (with sell-through numbers standing at over 2.3 million units), and turned a profit."
"Funny how you just ignore PlayStation plus as well, because this game was added and it generated revenue on there as well through subscription." -i wouldnt count that as idk the full data of it unless u have full info on it i would expect not much profit overall which is another reason i would not include it at least for now
That's a far cry from the -8million you claimed.<-- correct its also a "far cry" from what you had stated aswell "๐"
@Bonjo according to much of the info dump they are also count ps portable sales ratchet and clank made a profit of -8million but that was maybe 2022 maybe they reached a profit of around 1-10m which is still pretty bad they are losing about 35-50 percent of all profits on all marvel and xmen games so even if spiderman sold 20m they only made 10m and thats not even pure profit so might by around 8million of the sales is real profit also how thr trying to move into subscription service much like gamepass instead of focus on consoles
many stated wow ratchet and clank did -8 million in sales them console sales really mean nothing in the end regardless they are making another ratchet and clank game according to the hacker leak which is very surprising even tho thr losing money on the IP
@themightyant i was with centurylink i think my upload was about 1mbs if lucky my upload was 10mbs is suppose to be 25mbs my latency while playing overwatch on a great day is about 100-150 most days it was about 150-250ms
i wish i could test stadia today as proof
i think spawnwave also stated how amazing stadia was compared to others as proof
@themightyant "If it is consistently around 7ms, or even 20ms, that would work. But consistency is key for Cloud gaming."
again "i played google stadia with extremely low internet and about 100[minimum and if lucky]-350ms ping i was playing the beta of stadia which only allowed assassin creed odessy if i remember correctly and the latency was amazing the only problem was the game looked like a early 240p youtube video"
spawnwave also talked about how good the latency was
google/stadia was also talking about later doing a tech in which the game predicts future inputs making the ms still the same but would make the game feel about 1ms or 0ms or close to it
google is coming back to gaming later btw mostly due to metaverse reasons i believe
@Ken_Kaniff thr doing fine i think gamepass made about 2b in profit? but as they stated in thr gamestack conference a few years ago they want like 4billion gamers and that the "future is not a box the future is smartphones" which i also disagree due to the advancements of brain computers
not even nintendo or sony together have 2billion so thr not to interested
they do wanna buy nintendo cause of metaverse reasons much like activion/blizzard which was for mobile and metaverse reasons but according to Satya Nadella he all about the metaverse
@themightyant "I'd love you to be right though, but I guess I'll believe it when I see it." i said the same before i could do art using AI now even chefs and baritas are gonna lose thr jobs because of the new ai robots shown at CES 2024
also proof that they will upgrade as i stated before is "Significant improvements have been made to @Starlink latency (ping) & many more to come.
Target is <20ms. 11:42 PM ยท Jan 15, 2024"
i would ask people if tech is this good now how good will it be in 1 more year or 2 years or 5
@themightyant i remember some time ago they stated the ms will be about 7ms i think in the not so long run amazons will be better
that why i stated "let me remind you this is without future upgrades"
" I had a look. Starlink wouldn't be great for Cloud gaming as Ping only gets as low as 25ms - 60ms" -thats a lie i played google stadia with extremely low internet and about 100[minimum and if lucky]-350ms ping i was playing the beta of stadia which only allowed assassin creed odessy if i remember correctly and the latency was amazing the only problem was the game looked like a early 240p youtube video all i had to do was get thru the minimum requirement thing and then lower my internet overall performance afterwards and it would not kick me
@themightyant ive seen a video of a dude playing overwatch on a mountain in the middle of nowhere ["Gaming with Starlink on top of a MOUNTAIN | Vanlife Gaming"] and another where the dude has a latency of 40-60 ["gaming on starlink | overwatch 2"]
people using starlink had better results than many people using on earth internet me included until they did a huge upgrade in my area
many people i know are also highly considering changing to starlink or other due to how overall good it is being about to use it almost anywhere on earth
@cragis0001 "Starlink Surpasses 2 Million Subscribers" "SpaceXโs Starlink satellite internet gains 750,000 subscribers in nine months"<-- this is without massive ads yet amazon is about to release thr space internet aswell its about 400mbs last i heard which is double of what elon's offers
overtime they will increase speeds and the ones on earth will have no choice but to increase speeds or else lose everything to amazon and starlink
thr are many others from uk china russia and others china is working on ones thats are 6g which is about "Up to 1 Tbps (1,000,000 Mbps)"
@iplaygamesnstuff so "trounced by Sony" that sony's latest ratchet and clank game may have made a profit of -8 million
sony also had to inflat the ps5 sales by possibly 10m-13m according to the hacker leaks
what u fail to see is that both sony and xbox is getting "trounced" by nintendo
@Markatron84 yeah i have seen it on all sides Mostly on sony side saying reading to much into what was stated before the sony showcase it being a disappointment that they are hopin for another showcase this year to save them from what is happening
I was one bought a ps5 digital because of the hype for so many games mostly the legend of dragoon remake
After my depression i realized being with xbox is the best thing especially after the news of elder scrolls oblivion remaster or remake being real not counting the pc mod
I will soon finally play the game that brought me back into video games
Currently replaying it on xbox it as addicting as i remember lol have to force myself to go to sleep
@PsBoxSwitchOwner phil already stated it wouldnt happen they need more than great games Also its a new ip its not like thr sony using spiderman an ip they dont fully own to sell consoles
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Re: Talking Point: Would You Be Interested In Microsoft's White Xbox Series X Revision?
@AnVold wym? most males want a third leg...
Re: Talking Point: The Elder Scrolls Is Now 30 Years Old As We Await Xbox's First Series Entry
@MarkD01 #soon unless they canceled it
Re: Bethesda Provides Tiny Update On The Elder Scrolls 6 To Celebrate Series Anniversary
@Felinox thr was 2 leaks about it one from a former employee and the ftc leak but could be canceled as plans change
The employee stated they didnt know if its a full remake or remaster
But thrs more info of other bethesda games like possibly new vegas coming and others like fallout 3 according to ftc
Wait for xbox showcase ull get ur answer this or next year due to covid or if its a full remake
If its a remaster itll be out sooner
Re: Jim Ryan Explains Why Sony Kept Refusing To Sign Xbox's Call Of Duty Offer
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Re: Jim Ryan Explains Why Sony Kept Refusing To Sign Xbox's Call Of Duty Offer
@MrMagic
https://twitter.com/IdleSloth84_/status/1626255567411970049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1626255567411970049%7Ctwgr%5E8a21231325ba3fc22e21ea3806dd8c01e0186ebd%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fexputer.com%2Fnews%2Findustry%2Fmicrosoft-call-of-duty-sony%2F
What if ur proof this info is incorret? Along with the source? For example is the source link incorrect or fake?
Re: Jim Ryan Explains Why Sony Kept Refusing To Sign Xbox's Call Of Duty Offer
@MrMagic mostly remember it from memory as much of the documents have been deleted
heres some of it but not all also many people on sony and xbox side talked about it on youtube
lucky me i found some of the info but not all that i remember
https://exputer.com/news/industry/microsoft-call-of-duty-sony/
"Microsoft put forward an offer that would license Call of Duty to Sony for 15 years. This agreement would first last for five years, and then it would go on for another ten years. Hence, bringing the total period of this proposal to a remarkable 15 years."
many of the original documents from reddit are gone
Re: Jim Ryan Explains Why Sony Kept Refusing To Sign Xbox's Call Of Duty Offer
@Murray amazingly even sony 3rd party games and first party games also came to xbox
the only one with REAL exclusives is nintendo
Re: Jim Ryan Explains Why Sony Kept Refusing To Sign Xbox's Call Of Duty Offer
"We were absolutely thrilled to be able to negotiate a deal with Microsoft"
this is false
"Jim Ryan said โI donโt want a new Call of Duty deal. I just want to block your merger,โ according to Activision executive Lulu Cheng Meservey. The comment was made on February 21st, the day behind closed doors meetings were held with the EU"
MS also offered a 15 year deal plus all ABK games according to FTC files
sony/jim had to accept a 10 year deal possibly without future ABK games
which is possibly one reason of the many reasons sony got rid of him and didnt actually retire
Re: Dragon's Dogma 2 Seems To Be Targeting 30FPS On All Platforms
@KonstantTrouble just yo let u know the orginal gane has many many problems besides the fps issues which you can find on steam forums
Re: Dragon's Dogma 2 Seems To Be Targeting 30FPS On All Platforms
Im not payin 80usd for 30 and no future performance mode
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
i dont but i still use it at times
most likely it reached that much with sales i wouldnt really count those UNLESS you have profit info
based on the past info and current sales i would say its about breaking even or a bit higher which is not worthit for such a long running IP and the dev time plus the budget
"these sales do not include the PC copies sold." according to steamspy its about "200,000 .. 500,000" which is nothing special again for a game with such a high budget and long running IP ive seen new IPs with lesser budget sell much higher
overall seems like a downtrend based on the info i stated
this is not including the failure movie they made [Ratchet & Clank grossed $8.8 million in North America and $5.6 million in other territories for a worldwide total of $14.4 million, against a production budget of $20 million.]
id say giveup on the IP at least for now and try something else like the legend of dragoon ramake and do a ratchet original trilogy remaster/remake but that just me
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@MrMagic
"I just remembered the $145 million but it wasn't profit, but the game has made $73 million profit so far. That's a far cry from the -8million you claimed."
-"Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart Sold 2.2 Million Units, Incurred an $8 Million Loss"
"UPDATE: More recent data seems to have emerged from the leak, suggesting that Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart had shipped over 2.7 million units as of February 2022 (with sell-through numbers standing at over 2.3 million units), and turned a profit."
"Funny how you just ignore PlayStation plus as well, because this game was added and it generated revenue on there as well through subscription."
-i wouldnt count that as idk the full data of it unless u have full info on it i would expect not much profit overall which is another reason i would not include it at least for now
That's a far cry from the -8million you claimed.<-- correct its also a "far cry" from what you had stated aswell "๐"
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@MrMagic
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart - 2.72 million. -vgchartz
"RC Rift Apart (in 9 months)*** 2.72M*** $145M*** $81M (includes marketing)"
"Game earned only $73m in revenue while it costed a whopping (for this type of game) $81m to make."
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/18lums9/list_of_insomniac_games_budgets_and_roi_for_miles/
"You're peddling misinformation lol."
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@Bonjo
according to much of the info dump they are also count ps portable sales
ratchet and clank made a profit of -8million but that was maybe 2022 maybe they reached a profit of around 1-10m which is still pretty bad
they are losing about 35-50 percent of all profits on all marvel and xmen games so even if spiderman sold 20m they only made 10m and thats not even pure profit so might by around 8million of the sales is real profit
also how thr trying to move into subscription service much like gamepass instead of focus on consoles
many stated wow ratchet and clank did -8 million in sales them console sales really mean nothing in the end
regardless they are making another ratchet and clank game according to the hacker leak which is very surprising even tho thr losing money on the IP
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@bertraar
hopfully ms does a FPS boost of spyro trilogy
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@Bonjo wasnt thr info about them using vr sales as console sales in the leaked documents
this was most likely before the sales of the games were leaked along with early wolverine being playable on pc
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@themightyant
i was with centurylink i think my upload was about 1mbs if lucky my upload was 10mbs is suppose to be 25mbs my latency while playing overwatch on a great day is about 100-150 most days it was about 150-250ms
i wish i could test stadia today as proof
i think spawnwave also stated how amazing stadia was compared to others as proof
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@themightyant
"If it is consistently around 7ms, or even 20ms, that would work. But consistency is key for Cloud gaming."
again "i played google stadia with extremely low internet and about 100[minimum and if lucky]-350ms ping i was playing the beta of stadia which only allowed assassin creed odessy if i remember correctly and the latency was amazing the only problem was the game looked like a early 240p youtube video"
spawnwave also talked about how good the latency was
google/stadia was also talking about later doing a tech in which the game predicts future inputs making the ms still the same but would make the game feel about 1ms or 0ms or close to it
google is coming back to gaming later btw mostly due to metaverse reasons i believe
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@Ken_Kaniff
thr doing fine i think gamepass made about 2b in profit?
but as they stated in thr gamestack conference a few years ago they want like 4billion gamers and that the "future is not a box the future is smartphones" which i also disagree due to the advancements of brain computers
not even nintendo or sony together have 2billion so thr not to interested
they do wanna buy nintendo cause of metaverse reasons much like activion/blizzard which was for mobile and metaverse reasons but according to Satya Nadella he all about the metaverse
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@themightyant
"I'd love you to be right though, but I guess I'll believe it when I see it."
i said the same before i could do art using AI now even chefs and baritas are gonna lose thr jobs because of the new ai robots shown at CES 2024
also proof that they will upgrade as i stated before is
"Significant improvements have been made to
@Starlink
latency (ping) & many more to come.
Target is <20ms.
11:42 PM ยท Jan 15, 2024"
i would ask people if tech is this good now how good will it be in 1 more year or 2 years or 5
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@ValkyriaProfile sony wants you to drive a car with thr controller knowing it has stick drift
u are brainwashed at this point
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@themightyant i remember some time ago they stated the ms will be about 7ms i think in the not so long run amazons will be better
that why i stated "let me remind you this is without future upgrades"
" I had a look. Starlink wouldn't be great for Cloud gaming as Ping only gets as low as 25ms - 60ms"
-thats a lie i played google stadia with extremely low internet and about 100[minimum and if lucky]-350ms ping i was playing the beta of stadia which only allowed assassin creed odessy if i remember correctly and the latency was amazing the only problem was the game looked like a early 240p youtube video
all i had to do was get thru the minimum requirement thing and then lower my internet overall performance afterwards and it would not kick me
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@cragis0001 we humans are always against our progress and/or evolution
so i understand
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@ValkyriaProfile none of them do
you are brainwashed to be believe otherwise
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@themightyant ive seen a video of a dude playing overwatch on a mountain in the middle of nowhere ["Gaming with Starlink on top of a MOUNTAIN | Vanlife Gaming"]
and another where the dude has a latency of 40-60 ["gaming on starlink | overwatch 2"]
people using starlink had better results than many people using on earth internet me included until they did a huge upgrade in my area
many people i know are also highly considering changing to starlink or other due to how overall good it is being about to use it almost anywhere on earth
let me remind you this is without future upgrades
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@cragis0001
"Starlink Surpasses 2 Million Subscribers"
"SpaceXโs Starlink satellite internet gains 750,000 subscribers in nine months"<-- this is without massive ads yet
amazon is about to release thr space internet aswell its about 400mbs last i heard which is double of what elon's offers
overtime they will increase speeds and the ones on earth will have no choice but to increase speeds or else lose everything to amazon and starlink
thr are many others from uk china russia and others
china is working on ones thats are 6g which is about "Up to 1 Tbps (1,000,000 Mbps)"
Re: Microsoft CEO Says ActiBlizz Deal Helps Xbox Become 'A Good Publisher' On All Platforms
@iplaygamesnstuff so "trounced by Sony" that sony's latest ratchet and clank game may have made a profit of -8 million
sony also had to inflat the ps5 sales by possibly 10m-13m according to the hacker leaks
what u fail to see is that both sony and xbox is getting "trounced" by nintendo
Re: Five Years On, Batman: Arkham Collection Is Dominating The Xbox Charts Once Again
they will maybe likely fix the games on the switch release
this way they can resell u the same games again at full price
Re: Soapbox: Microsoft, We'd Love Another Surprise Xbox Game Pass Release At 'Developer Direct'
@fbnaulin
gears pop 2!!!!
Re: Xbox Grabs Three Awards As Baldur's Gate 3 Wins GOTY At TGA 2023
@Scummbuddy i cant like many games this year
The writting was awful 2 many times
Re: EA Has Discounted Some Massive Games By 90% On Xbox This Week
@TheCrafter1578
Like i stated before it documented on youtube so its not just me as u just stated
Re: EA Has Discounted Some Massive Games By 90% On Xbox This Week
@TheCrafter1578 cant trust u
The zombie alien didnt even attack me then disappeared
Quests keep breaking have to reload to maybe fix them
All this happened on my first playthru
Plus thrs if you youtube it u can find record of the bugs and glitches
Re: EA Has Discounted Some Massive Games By 90% On Xbox This Week
Warning
Dead space is very buggy they never even fixed it after all this time
Re: Xbox Exec Sends Fans Into A Frenzy With Random Social Media Post
@RadioHedgeFund gameplay was leaked along with persona 3 remake before the showcase no idea why it was not shown already
Re: Xbox Exec Sends Fans Into A Frenzy With Random Social Media Post
@Markatron84 yeah i have seen it on all sides
Mostly on sony side saying reading to much into what was stated before the sony showcase it being a disappointment that they are hopin for another showcase this year to save them from what is happening
I was one bought a ps5 digital because of the hype for so many games mostly the legend of dragoon remake
After my depression i realized being with xbox is the best thing especially after the news of elder scrolls oblivion remaster or remake being real not counting the pc mod
I will soon finally play the game that brought me back into video games
Currently replaying it on xbox it as addicting as i remember lol have to force myself to go to sleep
Re: Xbox Exec Sends Fans Into A Frenzy With Random Social Media Post
@Markatron84 any community u mean
Re: Talking Point: What Kind Of Reveals Are You Hoping To See At The Game Awards 2023?
Oblivion and fallout 3 remaster trailer
Re: 'The Finals' Dev Responds To Criticisms About Use Of AI Voiceovers
@Utena-mobile happened around oct 2 2023
Re: 'The Finals' Dev Responds To Criticisms About Use Of AI Voiceovers
Its not about getting rid of voice actors its about getting rid of everyone lol
Get ready heard next year thr makin ai thats 100x better this is not including runway v2
Re: Microsoft 'Doubling Down As A Game Producer' After ActiBlizz Deal, Says CEO
in the end this is mostly for mobile and metaverse reasons as phil and others stated last year
whoever makes a metaverse that sticks controls reality itself
the games are the cherry on top mobile is the icing and the metaverse is the cake and main reason
Re: Phil Spencer & Co. Given 'Sweet Welcome' As They Visit Candy Crush Developer King
@TanookiLeaf everyone lol
Re: Report: Starfield Was The Best-Selling U.S. Video Game In September
@PsBoxSwitchOwner phil already stated it wouldnt happen they need more than great games
Also its a new ip its not like thr sony using spiderman an ip they dont fully own to sell consoles
Re: Talking Point: Did Your Xbox 360 Ever Get The 'Red Ring Of Death'?
I got it every month
Re: Best Buy Will Reportedly Stop Selling Physical Media Next Year
Barely any games being made + free mobile games + gamepass + cloud + space isp reaching 100gbs = GG physical
Re: Talking Point: Would You Like A Detachable Disc Drive For Xbox Series S?
@Jimboss ikr first world problems hurt the most :c
Also didnt help when people i knew would get robbed and all thr games are gone
Re: Talking Point: Would You Like A Detachable Disc Drive For Xbox Series S?
Even when i was a kid with with ps1 and snes i hated physical change the disc or cart each time u wanna play a diff game ugh
Re: Activision CEO Namedrops Guitar Hero While Discussing Xbox Takeover's 'Unlimited Potential'
He also spoke about BCIs seems all the big companies know about them and plan to get rid of controllers and keyboard & mouse in the near future
Re: These 50+ Activision Blizzard Games Could Be Heading To Xbox Game Pass
Need a spyro 60fps update at least on xbox
Re: Fortnite Creator Epic Games Laying Off 870 Employees
@MasterPlayerOne so are doing great and can rehire if needed
Re: Baldur's Gate 3 Producer Joins Fable Team At Xbox's Playground Games
Lol buy them without actually buying them