TheGameThrifter

@BAMozzy Listen, if Game Pass were so great people would be buying Xbox's and buying Game Pass.
Game Pass was at 25 million and Xbox Live Gold was at 12 million. They switched it to Core and added it to Game Pass which should have been 37 million, but it's only 34 million. Which means they've lost millions of subscribers.

I don't think the avg person cares about playing Xbox on a phone or app, which is why they gave away rights to stream their games in the EU to Ubisoft.
Anyone could have spent 100 billion dollars and turned 3rd party to make profit.

@NEStalgia Their brand "Xbox" doesn't mean console to them anymore.
It's an app and anywhere someone is playing an "Xbox" game. To me, that's not Xbox. I would have rather seen Microsoft compete and push the console. Having 3 healthy consoles selling well in the industry could do wonders.
Xbox is confusing to even casuals because no one knows if or when an Xbox game is going to PlayStation.

Next gen would be a real wash for them if they port anymore games to PS. I can see a situation where Xbox sells worse than a Wii U.

@TheLastHarbinger Look into what they did before closing up shop on Windows Phone. Spent billions on Nokia, then laid off workers, then started putting all the exclusive Windows Phone games and apps on iOS and Android. "Xbox" to Microsoft isn't a console, it's someone playing a first party game on PlayStation or Nintendo.
Phil Spencer in 10 years has spent 100 billion dollars and taken Xbox from 3rd place to 3rd place and from 3rd place to 3rd party.
To me, Xbox is a console. How long will they take losses on hardware? Wii U numbers? We're closing in on those already.....
I'm sure Zune, Mixer, Groove Music and Windows Phone all were in a good spot at some point.

100% he's making the same mistakes. He's not a consumer first person. He doesn't "get" gaming and certainly doesn't get hardware.

The moves Microsoft is making with Xbox are exactly the same they made with Windows Phone before they shut it down.
They spent BILLIONS on Nokia. Then laid off a ton of workers, then started putting all the apps and features that were exclusives to Windows Phones on iPhone and Android, and then shut it down.

@xxk7xx Microsoft is worth over 3 trillion dollars, why publish it anywhere but where Game Pass exists?
Sony earns 30% on all Xbox game sales on PlayStation and they use that profit to buy 3rd party exclusives and content to keep off Xbox. So basically every game MS puts on PlayStation helps fund a game we don't get.

Phil Spencer hates the Xbox console. The way he talks about it with such distain makes it obvious.
I have no desire to play on a PC, if I wanted to play on a PC I would do so. I do not want to navigate 4 stores and mess with sliders and so on. I also don't want less people on the console version than are already there. PC is full of cheaters and hackers and I turn off cross-play first thing on every game.
Hate to say it, but if they try to Trojan Horse the next Xbox as a PC, I'm out.

People aren't selfish to not want Xbox exclusives on PlayStation. Sony earns 30% on every Xbox sale on PlayStation and uses that money to keep exclusives like Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Silent Hill, Stellar Blade off Xbox. So basically Microsoft would be HELPING Sony keep games off Xbox.

Less people would buy Xbox, and then 3 party devs wouldn't bother putting their games on Xbox due to low install base.
Next gen they probably will release another Xbox, but if you had the choice to buy a PS6 that played all Xbox and PS games or an Xbox that only plays Xbox, which is getting bought?

At that point Microsoft probably kills the Xbox hardware and goes publisher, and our digital games who's licenses are locked to the console end up useless.

@BacklogBrad That's like saying it was 1% that complained about the Xbox One DRM, Kinect and TV focus.

If Microsoft goes third party and puts exclusives on PlayStation it means less people will buy Xbox. If less people buy Xbox, less 3rd party devs will put games on it. And let's say next gen starts and you can buy a PS6 that plays all Xbox and PS games or an Xbox that only plays Xbox games...which is most likely going to sell more?

And eventually that will lead Microsoft out of hardware altogether, and all digital games are locked to Xbox. Digital saves as well. So when they leave hardware, most likely will lose our libraries.

@Banjo- PC is not a console. And they port their games to PC years later because day and date would devalue the console itself.
Sony will never put their exclusives on Xbox and neither will Nintendo.