The first Halo Infinite Multiplayer Technical Preview has officially ended, and while many participants seem to be quite taken with it (including us here at Pure Xbox) there are some more, let's say...controversial takes.
One video, in particular, on the Halo subeddit highlights how the destructible fruit in Halo Infinite "could use some work" when compared to other first-person shooters, such as what appears to be an entry in Activision's Call of Duty series.
The same video is also circulating on social media platforms such as Twitter and has resulted in many fans actually coming to the defence of Halo - stating how the delay of the game has focused on all the right things and these people are just "entitled gamers". Others, however, are arguing attention to detail is an important aspect of any immersive game experience.
The debate has even had some actual game designers stepping in to have their say. Naughty Dog's Michael Barclay, who has worked on the PlayStation series The Last of Us, shared his own thoughts about why comparisons like this aren't healthy for the industry:
Keep in mind, anything is subject to change between now and release - this multiplayer technical preview was also an older build of Halo Infinite dating back to a few months ago.
In the lead up to Halo Infinite's release, 343 has been sharing insights on how it's gone about improving weapons and a lot of other fine details in relation to combat, as well as enhancements to the game's visuals - after last year's first-look gameplay was poorly received by the fanbase. It resulted in the meme, Craig the Brute.
What do you make of the above fruit comparison? Should 343 be putting its precious time and resources into enhancing the game's destructible fruit? Or have some gamers become too entitled? Leave your own thoughts below.
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I didn’t realise this and just cancelled my preorder… I’m kidding of course 🤣
I hate the trolls on both sides of the console war. Finding the one frame of Alloy's face, Chad (even if that footage didn't look amazing), or random offline flight sim pictures. It is not a good representation of the quality of the game or the moment-to-moment gameplay.
That said, I hope they do have some attention to detail to make this game special. The fruit guy looked like an idiot when he didn't know what it was being compared to, but it would be another detail to help immerse yourself in the world. Last of Us 2 had those special touches that immersed you without you realizing. I hope Halo can offer some of their own special sauce.
This was always going to happen. Xbox keeps making waves, it's critics is gonna grab at straws as much as possible, but ultimately it won't matter. Nothing stops a fun game being fun
Is it really that surprising anymore? We're at a point where people are obsessed with details in video games that developers will have to work countless hours just to make things more realistic. That's precious time that could've gone towards improving other, more important aspects of a game. I just don't like this direction the gaming industry is heading. Of course it's nice to be able to play a detailed game. But at the same time, will it really detract from your enjoyment of the game if it has less details? If the gameplay is solid, the story is captivating, does it matter then how fruits blow up when you shoot them? I just think this is an unhealthy obsession and as technology advances, this issue is just going to get even worse.
Nothing to see here, move along, fruit deteriorates at 120 fps in Halo 😉
Wait, so you are telling me that a playtest, beta level multiplayer mode, where maximizing framerate and character fidelity is of the utmost importance, has weaker banana physics than a singleplayer game? Noooooooo...
We all knew they would find some other stupid thing to latch unto. They always do...
What?! I can't cut fruit like metal gear rising or fruit ninja?? What have these extra months been for?!
Owner of both consoles before I get battered.
If that’s stays as is, that is poor especially if it’s in the campaign.
Even though that it’s nothing to super cry about, it’s details that make me smile and bring a realistic world to life.
It does look worse than last generation and the generation before on that detail single point only.
It really shouldn’t be that way this new generation with a 12tflop console and 6 years in development with a massive AAA team.
I have lowered my expectations for a long while now with the single player campaign and it probably won’t look as good or have the environmental detail and physics of far cry 6.
But what gets me is why bloody not, this should be the Halo of all Halos on my new shining series x.
No one would notice it, but it's always cool to have details. But damn, it does look BAD in Infinite lol
Well if COD can do it, why can't Halo?
@Dezzy70 Yeah, I highly doubt that is the final product for single player especially. But, even in multiplayer. Given that this is just a technical preview, many of the finishing touches (which banana physics would totally fall under) are very likely not in it. Now, I could care less if it's in it for multiplayer, as I'm going to be busy actually trying to win the match. However, if that's how it looks in singleplayer at launch, it's a reasonable gripe for a modern game. In the end though, the gameplay is king. There's a reason a janky, outdated engine game like Skyrim can be so timeless. But, I would like some attention to detail on Xbox's biggest supposed system seller title.
@The_New_Butler
We normally agree most of the time, but over the years my expectations have risen and I expect better detail and far more lavish environments with all the bells and whistles, it just draws me in and makes feel more in the game world as it’s more realistic.
See your brain knows what should happen when you shoot the fruit roughly. When it doesn’t happen and just vanishes with a red effect, then the brain goes that don’t look right and looks poor.
This is especially in this day and age when we are use to realistic things happening the way they are meant to in video games and it’s creates full immersion within the game world and environment.
Also in 2021 on 12tflop next generation console it basically looks like piss poor development to me.
Soz but it does.
@DrEagleG
Exactly my point, 6 years in development from a AAA massive in house studio on a new next generation 12tflop beast of a console.
If it stays like that especially in campaign that is poor development.
We had sand bags leaking sand on my xbox360 in gears of war. Amazing at the time when Xbox used to lead the way.
Let's be fair, it's a preview. If it still looks like that when the game is actually released, then I'll be disappointed. Benefit of the doubt.
@SplooshDmg
I’m not complaining really about an unfinished game. I did say if it is released like that and in single player campaign especially.
Time will tell when the game is released.
But if it is like that in the final game in campaign on my series x, then it is a laughable joke of development and poor on Xbox.
@John117
Be fair I’m just asking for some realistic physics in a game that on my series x should have them.
It just creates a better environment for me to play in that’s all when my brain expects to see what COD did more than what Halo did.
@John117
They are not laughable expeditions as COD and many other games have them physics.
It’s funny on here, in the old days when gears of war on the Xbox360 had sand leaking from sand bags when they got shot.
The whole Xbox gang was shouting from the roof tops, look at the amazing realism of that sand leaking from the sand bag it’s amazing.
Xbox360 and gears of war is so real to life and amazing.
It’s was even demoed at E3 as a realistic show off part of the game.
Now today it does not matter.
Just look at Forza Horizon 5 which I can’t wait to play.
Being shown off by Xbox and Xbox fans as so realistic with amazing details captured on 8k gamers, the sky, the terrain, the water.
Look how it looks like real life and anything moves with the wind and reacts to the car.
It’s looks amazing and on the series x next generation worthy. And I totally agree and can’t wait.
So Halo in its own world should do this as well and things and items should react correctly.
So Xbox as well as other developers have created this expectation of realism in other games, like FH5.
I don’t expect to see rubbish fruit disappear and leave a crap red effect in 2021 on my series x.
Just stopping giving Microsoft an easy get out and a free ride.
@John117
Just look at Forza Horizon 5 which I can’t wait to play.
Being shown off by Xbox and Xbox fans as so realistic with amazing details captured on 8k gamers, the sky, the terrain, the water.
Look how it looks like real life and anything moves with the wind and reacts to the car.
It’s looks amazing and on the series x next generation worthy. And I totally agree and can’t wait.
So Halo in its own world should do this as well and things and items should react correctly.
So Xbox as well as other developers have created this expectation of realism in other games, like FH5.
I don’t expect to see rubbish fruit disappear and leave a crap red effect in 2021 on my series x.
Just stopping giving Microsoft an easy get out and a free ride.
@John117
Not upset I was bragging about the Xbox360 gears of war sand bags as well. I loved the realism it was amazing at the time.
So Xbox set the realism target back then so in 2021 on my series x they should matching and even beating it, with simple fruit physics.
@SplooshDmg
It’s cool, if in the final build I will smile and go you were right.
If it’s not then, I’m lost for words.
@John117
Look to me, if you going to have fruit and things in the game that you can shoot, then bother to make it look realistic when you shoot it, else don’t put it in the game else it looks bad compared to other FPS out there. Especially in this day and age and on my series x.
I remember when FPS started having bottles and glasses break and smash into pieces when firing across a bar, it’s so how it should be, your brain knows they should break if they don’t it looks very poor now a days.
Look at the stuff in gears that reacts very well.
@Dezzy70 It depends on which series that decides to focus on realism. Forza and other racing simulators tend to focus on showcasing exceptional graphics with a high level of detail. But not all FPS games are known for that. I never recall Halo being a graphical showcase, but Crysis for example is an FPS series that is known for just that. So it entirely depends on the series as well as which games it makes sense to focus on the details. The Last of Us is a perfect example of a game that focuses a lot on the details and it makes sense for that game because you're walking around a lot and looking at the environments. When you're playing Halo though, you're running around trying to find your opponents, not taking a break and enjoying the scenery. It doesn't need a high level of detail because the focus is elsewhere.
Simply put, you have to have a more flexible mindset when it comes to these kinds of things. You can't just say that all games need perfect 1:1 realistic details. Some games benefit more from them, while others it matters less.
@John117
I think we will have to agree to disagree.
You have your valued opinion and I have mine.
Would I be disappointed if it was like that in the final build of the campaign, I will be honest, yes I would as to me it’s lazy development and does react as it should do.
But hey that’s just me, other games have had it for years so Halo Infinite campaign should.
To me it’s almost a joke if it does stay the same and I might just get my Atari 2600 back out 😂
@Bdbrady I agree with you completely, but something about “fat Aloy” just slays me every time I see it.
@LtSarge
I think I’m saying they should do better and make a little effort to make it look 2021 on a 12tflop next generation console.
@SplooshDmg
Like I said I hope you are right.
We shall see come game release date.
But being honest I am concerned about the single player campaign.
Until Microsoft show it of it all its glory before release looking the business I will not be convinced.
@John117
Have a great evening
I guess I’ll skip Halo Infinite and re-download Fruit Ninja.
@SplooshDmg
I truly hope so, I’m passionate about Halo because I come from the original Xbox and Halo, day one.
My first introduction to FPS and on console.
That game was a legend in its own right.
I could not get enough of that game and campaign and showed it off to so many and a few purchased the original Xbox because I showed it off.
The gameplay, the open spaces, the graphics and realism on console was second to none at the time.
I will never forget those moments.
Some here miss understand and think I’m a PS5 fanboy, it’s not that, I’m passionate about that games I care the most about and Halo is one of them.
This is how desperate some trolls are to find any fault on an xbox game.
Fruit Ninja is better than Halo Infinite as it has better fruit physics.
Not once when I played the game did I even think to shoot fruit. Actually, not once did I ever really focus on the fact there was fruit there - I was too focused on killing bots.
Teabagging bots >>>>>>>>> fruit physics
This is just the worst. Hate that people are STILL like this much less someone in their 30s smh!
Ponies. All they can do is look for negatives.
It’s PS4 Spider Man puddlegate all over again. Who cares? Move on.
Twitter and other social media is just a mess of fanboy bulls**t at the moment, with either side picking on tiny things that nobody cares about. It's like those idiots criticising how many of the buildings look up close on Flight Simulator when it literally has the entire planet in the game. Or those pointing out the one rubbish looking Bush or texture in Horizon Forbidden West or Ratchet and Clank. Fanboys are looking at the one or two things a game doesn't do perfectly Instead ot the many may things they do incredibly well and all without somehow realising they can just buy the other console and play those games anyway
Always have plenty of time during a multiplayer session to stop and shoot some fruit to test out the destruction physics without getting a bullet through the head! LOL
Okay, clearly a lot of people here are defending a franchise they love, and that’s all good, but let’s get real a second.
If this was final game quality stuff it would show a lack of polish that isn’t acceptable for Xbox’s flagship series.
The little things matter. People are saying you can’t compare it to a single player game. Then compare it to Overwatch. Every small item in that game has physics. You can smash arcade machines and send the stuffed animals flying everywhere. There are destructible signs and railings. You can shoot basketballs into hoops. Shoot gas canisters that release gas and fly around wildly. You can shoot portions of cactus off and bells that ring to your gunfire and much more. It’s these little things that make the world seem more real.
These fruit in Halo Infinite, however, explode like they are part of an N64 game.
Yes, the gameplay is all that matters in multiplayer. But these small things also count and it’s not too much to ask that fruit explodes realistically or has some physics to it. And yes we are allowed to criticise something like this.
Will it make the game bad if they don’t fix it? No. But it will show a lack of finesse in the small things for the biggest franchise of Xbox when compared to their competition.
I am not even going to play this as I fell from FPS a long time ago but not only this is a early build but gameplay is king and this wouldn't bother me in the slightest
Little details are nice in video games, it definitely looks nice in the COD game, but I wouldn't use precious CPU/GPU/memory resources for fruit if the budget is tight.
What I would say is that I would just change it so that one shot made the fruit explode, just jump straight to the existing animation, not after multiple shots, done.
I wouldn't spend any more time on it that that.
It’s fruit.
Modern gaming is generally great, there’s just a problem with some of the people playing games/arguing about them online.
Nintendo was years ahead of both Xbox and Sony on this subject. They're always leading the way with this kind of innovation, and the other twins just play catch-up a whole generation later.
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