Reaction: As Gran Turismo 7 Gets A Major 2025 Expansion, Forza Motorsport Deserved More

GT7 is pretty much the reason i got a PS5 and I dont regret it one bit. I am interested in the dlc they announced as well as the free spec III update too. Fun times ahead.

I enjoyed Forza Motorsport and it was sad to see it go down the way it did. It seemed to me folks were starting to be positive about FM after the most recent updates then Microsoft took it for a walk behind the shed while holding a shotgun.

I hope we see them try again with the franchise but I doubt that it will be for many many years.

This is one of Xbox’s first and most successful pivots, namely the acknowledgment that Forza Motorpsort just can’t beat the ambition and lavish attention to detail of the GT games, so they needed to carve out a new path. Nothing like Forza Horizon existed on PS, still doesn’t, and Playground Games managed to dominate this subgenre for decades.

It’s a shame FM8 wasn’t given a second chance through a Ps5 port. It deserved better.
I’ve always been a PlayStation/Nintendo fan(girl) but Forza is still my reason to get an Xbox. To many it’s Halo and Gears but to me Forza (and Fable) is what Xbox is.

Forza Motorsport is a flagship brand for Xbox and needs to be treated with the respect it deserves.

If Forza Motorsport gets taken behind the garage and given the humiliating death of a 90% discount followed by delisting before it's even had a chance to live, well, I'll be disappointed. Will still pay for the full game for next to nothing. Have done with all the previous games.

Before reading the article, I got my hopes up and thought Sony would be bringing Gran Turismo onto Xbox consoles. Sadly that day will probably never come. They’ve decided not to sell their soul unlike Xbox.

I think Forza Motorsport 23 is just like the rest of the Xbox brand these days. By that I mean it seems like Microsoft has given up on it after they basically ruined it with awful, greedy, out of touch ideas.

@Techno92LFC I wouldn't even want GT7 on Xbox anymore, but I would love to see it show up on PC.

To be honest, you could argue that it was a similar case with GT7 at launch

This was always my opinion too. When GT7 launched it was nothing to shout about compared to the game it later became with continuous support. I guess the difference between the two games is one is made by Sony , the other by Microsoft.
I still play FM regularly, and think it's a great racer.

FM deserved better but if people don’t buy it what are they supposed to do💁. On the other hand GT7 has become a sales juggernaut and not surprisingly really. It’s always been the daddy since the late 90s. I adore the game and cannot wait for power pack and then spec-3… hype!

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This is one of Xbox’s first and most successful pivots, namely the acknowledgment that Forza Motorpsort just can’t beat the ambition and lavish attention to detail of the GT games, so they needed to carve out a new path.

While Gran Turismo is definitely the better track racing series now, I think there is room for both Gran Turismo and Forza Motorsport and they could learn from one another.

In my opinion the problems with the most recent Forza Motorsport game is that it launched with less content than previous titles, the gameplay changes ("CarPG") didn't click with the playerbase, the visual improvements aren't that big and it still has an identity crisis regarding the target audience (casual players vs. sim-cade fans), as seen with the less optimal support of racing wheels (controller players are oftentimes faster, wheel force feedback is inaccurate), questionable penalty system in online modes and no qualifying in the single-player career mode.

I enjoyed FM3 and FM7 a lot, but after having played Project CARS with a racing wheel for several dozens of hours, I feel like the recent Forza Motorsport should have been much better.

Shame as I felt the actual driving was much better in Forza than gt

It's sad Forza motorsport literally only has had one under par game!
I'd say the popularity of Forza horizon has a bit to do with it aswell tbh

Forza Motorsport was half-baked at best. They focused so much on the physics and the graphics, they forgot to make fun tracks. Racing on Laguna Seca for the billionth time is fine (i guess), but they left all the fun fictional tracks on the cutting room floor, while at the same time the only NEW tracks they offered were just more boring licensed tracks, some of which are barely distinguishable. It got real boring, real fast. I played the **** out of every FM before that, and I could not stay interested in this one at all. I played about ten races and I was done.

I own GT7 as well, and honestly I don't think it plays nearly as well as FM. But that game has a style and a soul that keeps it interesting, and FM was just lifeless.

Forza is just another in a long line of things that MS didn't have enough patience for.

• Windows Phone
• MS Band (1+2)
• Kinect (whether you love it or hate it)
• Cortana
  The list goes on (and on and on). Thing is, they could learn a good lesson here from Sony - GT7 wasn't a massive hit upon release either, nor was the game before it. Phil can throw the word "hiatus" around all he wants but at the end of the day I think we all know what it means. Forza is dead, just like Perfect Dark, Halo Infinite, and many, many other things that died either before their time or were killed before they really saw the light of day.

Bottom line: for as much an Xbox and MS fan as I've been, they've completely lost my trust.

Do I blame Phil? Nope. I truly (maybe even misguidedly) believe he wants to make great games and wants to do right by the Xbox community. I blame Satya and the shareholders.

The DLC is fine. But to me Forza Motorsport 2023 was clear, make a racing game, have temp staff, reuse assets when GT Sport started from scratch and abandoned the GT5/6 approach of car/track assets but still has the license tests, driving challenges and more.

I hate GT7 but I still respect it as much as I hate it now prior to ignoring it. FM2023 was getting there with updates but just wasn't compelling in enough areas for me.

I'd rather play fictional tracks then real tracks but many audiences 'need' real brand things so not surprised. Also to me I am fine with cars being used in fun ways, but they don't and we get 'this is for driving/racing' wow, it's like all human/animal characters have to be just that, not have interesting movesests, cough cough modern game design mentality for developers or players, this is why modern gaming sucks, imagination is out the window these days.

But I am open to fiction/creativity or programming/animations, not reality and having no brain.

As silly as the moon events in GT6 or the Music Rally of GT7. At least they try different things, no matter how much time that must eat up, it's worth experiencing besides the other event/mode rules types. They pace themselves well. Sure I'm not big on track changes (or how few we get, even if GT Sport's original tracks are pretty good) or some elements of the core game and even the dealership cutscene is hilarious compared to PGR2's delaership to walk around in, or even the dialogue in GT7 that while a fair idea with people in the motor industry, I got more fun out of Tokyo Extreme Racer Drift 2 social bets or gymkhana or others instead.

Or how badly spaced out multiplayer, split screen, driving missions and more are, compared to GT5's leveling system, like wow is it bad in GT7.

I can compare a lot of PS2/Xbox era IPs I respect more ideas from then GT7.

I'm not interested in Forza Horizon personally so to me Motorsport was my interest in the series, PGR was my preference for that arcade or other racing type IP on Xbox, besides the Sega GT 2002, Apex, Group S Challenge or any others.

To me the only thing Forza Motorsport 2023 was good for is the credit payouts per position on the grid. That's it. I can get the position selection in MX vs ATV games but not in a GT/Forza or others usually. That's qualifying otherwise. So to me that was a great idea.

Too bad it's the only good idea the game has. Credit where it's due, I still see ideas in games and will praise them or look at them enough.

Forza dropped bowling, hillclimbs, auto cross, class based events (I think) and so much.

It's a 'we tried to make something' and put Gamepass as an excuse for it.

Sorry but no. I'm not buying that.

GT has to cater to a lot of people but they do it so well, sure progression changes and we either hate it or like it but still respect them trying different things each time or the strategy or modes/event rules.

I hate GT7, but for different reasons in how it handles things. Was still a purchase i made late like GT Sport and did that for wiki service ending changes of achievements, daily workout, livery editor uploads/editor menu itself, sportsmanship videos (so livery editor/sportsmanship videos trophies are inaccessible) or the pacing of late game is now more grindy due to the lack of the achievements or daily feature.

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So to me I can wiki write up that and still played offline/online (not multiplayer but status of the game) and still got something out of it.

Forza Motorsport 2023 just feels lifeless.

Directionless and has the 'basics' but that's it, the basics. Wreckfest has enough vehicle variety for even 1 event type like a motorised sofa of all things, level of fun, but 2 modes, and 'ok' progression for a kickstarter continuation of Flatout and even Flatout 2 I find better in pacing/modes. But I don't like a lot of modern racing games, I prefer PS1/N64 or PS2/Xbox/GameCube/Dreamcast ones instead with their progression, modes, event variety, car builders, roulette approach, clean driving, better rewind system with RPG scaling, and much more bold ideas that are left behind.

Even FM5 to 7 had variety, remixed approaches I can respect, I still barely to never use upgrades/tuning, I barely care for the class system, the region system was ok but kind of lost itself.

It just feels like it wants to compete but really doesn't at all with any racing games these days whether esports or arcade ones, or anything progression or audience wise. If your a Forza Motorsport fan you either enjoy it, want more out of it in physics/sound or are ok with what it tries to do or see how GT compares.