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@Kaloudz And when an earthquake happens and kills a hundred people do you just shrug your shoulders and say "that's just how tectonic plates work"?

I honestly don't know what's worse, the callousness of these megarich corporations, or the absolutely pathetic shrills that defend them just because they once made a game they liked. I could not care less whether this was inevitable, whether it made good business sense. The fact is 1,900 families are waking up today scared about how they can pay their mortgage, or their medical bills, or their kid's college fees. Being made redundant is terrifying and yet what do pathetic apologists like you say about it? "Congrats to MS".

Shame.

@Markatron84 Please don't let the fact that I never once said Indies were shorter anywhere in my comment detract from your diatribe. Nor the fact that I explicitly said they were not lesser games, in complete contrast to your assertion.

My point was about the value of Game Pass, not the value of Indies. One of my favourite games of the past 10 years was Hollow Knight. It cost me £6 to own and I played it for months. By contrast Game Pass Ultimate is £13 for just one month. Can you see now the reason some folk have a problem with Indies forming the mainstay of new Game Pass content? It's because Indies alone will struggle to justify the cost of the subscription for many people.

@Kaloudz The issue isn't that Indies are somehow lesser games - I love Indies and have already played and enjoyed most of these (completing Celeste without assist was a real labour of love) - the problem is that Indies tend to be smaller and cheaper. In fact you can easily pick up most of these games and own them forever on other systems for less money combined than the cost of one month of Game Pass Ultimate. Indies absolutely belong on Game Pass and are a brilliant addition to it, but they need to be accompanied by larger titles as well to keep the value there.

@Kaloudz You mean 50 Call of Duty games you can already pick up for £1.99 from CeX? Yeah great. Anyway I guess this finally means the end of Bobby Kotick so good riddance to that creep at least.

@Kaloudz They could have put the ABK games on game pass without having to buy the company though. Wouldn't have cost them $69 billion either. I just don't understand why people are celebrating like their football team just won the league just because they now have a slightly different way of paying for how they consume their games.

@Kaloudz Genuine question - Why do you care so much? You already have access to every ABK game so this gains you absolutely nothing. All it does is monopolise a huge segment of the gaming industry so unless you are a shareholder this is literally nothing to celebrate. And I'm a Nintendo fanboy btw so I have no horse in this race.

I wonder whether they'll ever unearth a Microsoft email where a Director suggests investing in and growing their own existing studios? Wouldn't that be something.

@Nickhyazaki Microsoft does charge 70 dollars for all Day One games. In fact it charges 35 dollars even for games that on Game Pass for true day one thanks to this 5 days early access nonsense.

@Kaloudz I think we are asking the wrong question here. Instead of asking "is Game Pass good value after this increase" we should be asking "will it still be attractive enough to win over new subscribers"? There is no point increasing the price 15% if you lose 20% of your audience. You still get a lot of games for your money but there comes a point where the value is irrelevant because the cost is too high. This just seems a perverse move for a company who's entire strategy is based around getting more people on Game Pass, not less.

Perhaps this is just paving the way for the eventual ad supported tier to look even more attractive by comparison?

@RIghteousNixon Blimey it would take me at least 5 years to get through that. I think that's the issue, for people like yourself it's clearly great value but for most of us we simply don't have enough time in the day. I get literally 1 or 2 hours a day to play so something like Tears of the Kingdom takes me months. I simply can't extract the value required to justify a subscription. Far cheaper to buy what I want and trade in. I think that's why Game Pass is proving a harder sell than expected.

Game Pass is now over 150 quid a year. Genuine question, not trolling - over the last 12 months did you really get £150 worth of value? Bearing in mind you can't trade a game in or keep it forever?

Gotta bleed the money out of those Games Pass subscribers somehow!

Sony left Microsoft with an open goal and they just about managed to scuff it into the net. They said every first party game would be gameplay, well I must have a very different definition of gameplay because it was very poor on that front. Fable was a whole load of nothing as was Hellblade. Do we know more about those than we did before? No. And what even is that Midnight game? Too much space taken up with updates on existing games too, SoT, Fallout 76 (!), Overwatch etc. Really not much there when you drill down into it.