Since the Xbox Series S reveal, many have questioned whether its power will hold this generation back as developers scramble to ensure their games work for both Xbox models. However, Unity chief product officer Brett Bibby believes the system is “extremely capable”.
In an interview with GamingBolt (as spotted by GameReactor), Bibby spoke briefly about the Xbox Series S and how its power shouldn’t be underestimated going into the new generation of gaming:
"It's important to remember that the majority of people don't have a screen that does 4K120, so there's an audience that the S is designed for. They perhaps won't need some of the detail the X can achieve. However, it's important to remember the S is an extremely capable machine, because those hardware differences are focused on delivering a similar experience at a lower resolution.”
He also went on to say that Microsoft’s method is a “smart approach” and how the Xbox Series S will become “a real differentiator this generation":
That is a really smart approach, the device has ray tracing, an SSD, nominally the same CPU as a Series X. The only thing it lacks is the power to run at 4K- which simply isn't always needed, the bedroom TV of some teenage gamer isn't likely to be a 4K wallhanger beast, so its great for those situations. I would expect the Xbox Series S will be a real differentiator this generation."
Bobby’s thoughts have been echoed by many others in the industry. The Falconeer devs recently commented on how the Xbox Series S is surprisingly powerful, with developer Team Blur Games also echoing those thoughts by stating the console won’t hold back games.
The Xbox Series S was also showcased earlier this week as being an efficient emulator for consoles such as the Nintendo GameCube by YouTube user Modern Vintage Gamer, who claimed the console ran emulations better than most other systems.
Do you agree with Bibby’s thoughts on the Xbox Series S? Let us know in the comments below.
[source gamereactor.eu]
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I would argue that while most people don't have something that does 4K/120, they do have some kind of 4K TV.
We are already seeing where there isn't quite as much feature parity between the two systems. Ray tracing is there, but isn't enabled on some games that use it with Series X.
That being said, I do think having this more cost-effective next-gen machine will be important to those who just want to play the next-gen games without breaking the bank.
Does this not do upscaling to dynamic 4K, i know it won't do native 4K. Anyways I'm sure it will be enjoyable still, i was enjoying my PS3 games on my 10 year old plasma only a few months ago. Load speeds are what people will want the most so I don't see any issues with the S. I would have bought it if it has a disc drive.
@GamingFan4Lyf of all the people I know; people I work with, family, friends, only one has a 4K TV.
I know it’s hard because we literally live in bubbles but everyday people don’t swap their TVs out just for 4K. Once they bought that big screen that’s it. Look DVD versions of movies still sell. That should give you an idea on how many people are still out there that haven’t adopted Blu ray. And that’s been cheap for a decade now.
It really is, but not in the way they want you to believe. 570p/120fps anyone?
I think the s should be half the price. It's almost there but not quite. Or at least come with sea of thieves or a forza game. Also I was anticipating free online this generation which I guess went the way of the dodo after microsoft bought all these studios. Plus the s doesn't play xbox one x enhanced games. I dunno I love it so much in form factor and other areas but in other ways I am quite hesitant. I returned mine the other day.
I can agree it will be a good option for anyone interested in console gaming.
@mousieone Interesting.
Of all the people I know, I am the only one without one. In fact, most stores around me pretty much only sell 4K TV's since they are so cheap. They may not have HDR or use HDMI 2.1, but 4KTV's seem pretty much the standard.
I guess I am stuck in a bubble?
Even though I don't have a 4KTV, I am still getting the Series X. I don't want to revert back to base Xbox One backwards compatibility after having an Xbox One X for as long as I have had the system.
Plus, eventually I do plan to get an LG OLED.
Lad in work bagged one today, he doesn’t have a 4K tv so makes sense I guess.
I don’t know, I’m not a fan of it and it doesn’t have much of a future imo. Super small SSD space, no disc drive and already struggling with cross gen titles compared to its bigger brother.
I feel Sony went the right way with PS5 digital, for £100 more than the S you get all that extra power and Sony devs don’t have to develop on 2 separate pieces of hardware. I just hope the S doesn’t hold back the real potential of the X.
@Fenbops I can't help but think we will get a all digital series x at the same price as the all digital ps5... if that happens shouldn't the series s price drop?
@GamingFan4Lyf Well yeah but for you it’s an investment not an simple toy or game box. Your going to want to future proof yourself.
@Fenbops actually the system “struggling” is the XSX. The XSS is basically getting the pro/x versions of things and handling it beautifully better than the Pro/X . So far Capcom actually apologized for the lack of feature parity. Many games do have feature parity like Watch Dogs Legion has RT. Resolution sucks in a lot of cases but eh it’s mostly like they said it would be. I don’t think think will “hold back” and if anything holds something back it’s the support for the old systems both companies have pledge to.
As for the small SSD; I’m fairly certain XSX owners are going to fill the 825 long before the Fornite/COD/Madden/Stardew Valley would. They don’t have massive game libraries. They play the latest [insert here] and then next year get another.
@Menchi Yoshis Crafted World is like 576p60; depending on the person that does sound like an improvement.
@Kefka2589 The Switch is good comparison because the reality is there are a lot of people on that system that play mostly of not 100 % docked and third parties. Some people are about the Ps some about the frames, and some neither. Kids, as a good example, just want to play the latest hot title. A 300 dollar system that will play the latest FIFA or Madden?
@sixrings We probably will but that system and the XSS are still meant for two totally different crowds. What good is HDR, 120fps, and 4K when the TV doesn’t support it? And yes plenty of TVs out there don’t support all of those features.
It’s a good system for what it’s meant to be. I just can’t wrap my head around the idea- if it’s not meant for you; you can’t see how it’s meant for someone else.
I don’t need braces; that doesn’t mean I don’t see a point for something. I would never buy that Sega Micro Gamegear but it sold out almost immediately.
@mousieone I agree the X is struggling in some scenarios when compared to the PS5 but unless you examine the games under a microscope like DF do then most gamers wont notice. I’m sure these teething problems will be ironed out in time.
I’m not saying the S is a bad machine, for the money it’s good and there does seem to be a market for it, but you have games like Yakuza running at 900p, dirt 5 500p or whatever!? That’s going backwards, not forwards.
@Kefka2589 Interesting she thinks of the XB as more family friendly. I'd have thought Sony had the family image with it's bigger consumer name and promotion of things like Sackboy, Ratchet, Knack, etc while XB was more "gamer" oriented, overall. I tend to think of it the other way around, though that's readily changing under Ryan's reign.
@GamingFan4Lyf Most people don't have a 4k TV. Most of the TVs on the market currently are now 4K, but most people aren't using a TV that's a year or two old. And most people don't run and upgrade their TVs constantly. It's tech nerds and the rich "lifestyle" folk (the ones that think Bose is actually good audio because it has a high sticker price ) that do.
The average person buys as good a TV as they can comfortably (or uncomfortably) afford and run it until it dies That might be 7 years, 10, years, 15, years 20 years. Though they don't build 'em like they used to.
Heck, my main TV(s) are a 55" DLP rear projection behemoth (the thing takes quite the footprint) from 2008 - I keep duct taping new UHD lamps into it to keep it running, and may replace the color wheel motor when it inevitably dies. The ballast is a trickier beast, but I may attempt that repair when the time comes, too. It was one of the first 1080p HDMI displays that didn't cost a fortune. Hoping it's still good, I haven't used it in months and plan to watch the pseudo-parade on Thanksgiving. I game on a monitor, and have been using a good IPS 1080p non-HDR 23" monitor since WiiU, just letting 1X supersample. I finally upgraded to a 4k/60 HDR IPS monitor to prepare for XSX & PS5. And I'm on the enthusiast end of the scale that doesn't hesitate to preorder every console.... OLED...I've been waiting for it to be reasonably priced since 1999. Still waiting.
Yeah, all the stores are selling 4k since that's kind of replaced 1080p going forward - but that only applies to someone if they're replacing an existing display, you'd have to search to find one that's not 1080p. But it doesn't automatically replace the entire install base. Just as X1X being out of production doesn't mean everyone suddenly gets an XSX within a year or two. You're the average!
But yeah, if you're a core gamer, no reason to not get an X and future proof - and you'll still get benefits on your current 1080p as well. Series S is for the large public that doesn't care so much about graphics snobbery. We're the enthusiasts so we kinda care.
@Kefka2589 that’s actually pretty decent then 1080p at 60. I forgot there are 2 modes
@mousieone the problem is I don't think I have high expectations. The fact that the series s isn't supporting xbox one x enhanced version of backwards compatibility is a huge deal. Much more so than I think a physical drive is. At least in my world I buy everything digital but going forward I don't want the one s version of bc games.
I don't need 4k but I don't want my Xbox one library to run often at 900p. If everything was 1080p+ then it would be perfect. But come on the series s plays soul calibur 6 720p.
@Kefka2589 Pfft, she should have been on Minecraft by 2. She's four....time for Fortnite! That's the primary player age group, I'm pretty sure
Wait...I'm sorry...did you say she plays Forza? @#$@!!.
@Kefka2589 LOL, not even Horizon....no.....it's Motorsport.....because of course.
I'm just going to go...and...uh.....finish cutting these..uh..onions.....
@Kefka2589 I have yakuza on the X and there’s only 2 modes, performance and resolution. Performance is 1440p/60 and resolution is 4K/30 I think. I’ve been playing performance it looks fine. It was advertised as having 3 modes but one seems to be missing lol.
@Kefka2589 EA Play has also added a few more choices in the kid's department. Also, you can have her try New Super Lucky's Rale. It's pretty forgiving. And you can go back and do the easy levels to get more lives again if you start to run low. You may have to help her with harder levels but I mean that's at the end of the Game. And yes, I find "The Cute White one" to be a big factor with the XSS like the Pink Switch Lite is nearly sold out everywhere. On Reddit, and 85 year old grandmother was super proud of her Series S. I really don't think she cares about 4k and frames. She wants the one that looks the best.
@Fenbops Kefka kind of answered this but I wanted to point out ou take into context Yakuza can't do 60fps on previous gen systems. In fact the main setting on the XSS is 2k30 vs.1080p30 on the XB1X. It should give you idea that sometimes it's just the game and the game engines. All three consoles came in hot. Really hot.
@sixrings Fun Fact, Tekken 7 is 720p on the XB1X because Bandai Namco never patched it higher, so it plays the base Xbox version no matter the system.
I agree with the what version the XSS plays can sometimes lead to no desirable results. It’s a glaring oversight. I get why they did it, but I also don't think it was 100% necessary and they knew that. But it was either set the XSS up for failure for those games that wouldn't work, hand go and check each game, or deal with it. I do think some games might get BC patches from the MS team kind of like they did for FF XIII or the actual dev. However, right now they are trying to get everything working and waiting on what the actually game dev will do with their stuff. We know for a fact they are trying add in like a Double the Frame Rate mode for older games, so I have to assume they will fix that situation. I do agree for someone that the PS5 Digital was made for; the XSS isn't that system. And I'm not saying you personally need to sit tight and hold on to the XSS that you have collecting dust by any means, I'm simply saying I can't see this staying this way. You need to do what makes sense with your money. But again they really didn’t see an easy fix for for the issue.
@Kefka2589 it could be normal and resolution actually now that you mention it. I know one setting is missing, the one that pushes higher frame rate so it could be performance lol. It does get confusing.
@Kefka2589 oh yeah the coral pink DS Lite aka what every girl wanted in 2006 ^^.
Yes my sisters little brother used to cycle though games in one sitting. We used to have to use Mario Party since it had some many mini games. @.@ Gamepass would have been a blessing.
@Fenbops @Kefka2589 Yeah, I can confirm Yakuza has had only 2 modes on the X since launch day. Normal and Resolution. Normal is a liquid smooth 60, but IMO, more than just resolution takes a hit on it, a lot of shadows and assets seem downgraded with reduced LOD. I'm not a fan of "normal." I've been using resolution mode which is gorgeous looking (no HDR though.) The beginning of the game for some reason has a really stuttery framerate as seen in the DF breakdowns, but so far I've found that once it turns night the first time, and then once you get to Yokohama (the main city) the framerate really irons out and it doesn't look choppy anymore. Not sure what happened to the beginning but it seems to mostly only affect that part of the game. When indoors/underground it seems like it might be uncapped, the fps definitely seems smoother than 30fps at times.
@mousieone I'm still salty about Tekken 7. It looks like a mess on XB. I ended up buying it on PS5 after the X for that reason
@NEStalgia I didn’t know there where other downgrades apart from resolution! I’ll have to check out resolution mode now! You could argue it’s fine at 30fps since it’s turn based anyway but I thought it looked ok at 1440p.
@Kefka2589 Agreed, Yakuza is a no brainer for res mode, honestly. 60 is smooth and all, but it's a turn based JRPG, not an action game. In the beginning fps dips enough that I thought a few times I might prefer "normal", but it definitely improves after the early chapter of the game, and, yeah, that graphics downgrade really takes the wind out of the game's sails for me. Same for miles. 60fps is cool, but it's a locked, solid, smooth 30fps in res mode to the point I often forget, and think it's running 60!
@Fenbops yeah, definitely give it a try. To me, it's no contest. There's a lot of compromises to textures and assets to hit 60fps. I'm kind of surprised they went with default "normal" vs resolution and instead didn't call it "normal" vs "performance, IMO.
@NEStalgia @Fenbops it’s a turn based JRPG; I don’t know why they added 60 :/ I guess that makes some of the mini games better. But I thought the whole reason they shifted to turn based RPG was because the engine was hard to get 60 going >.< seems counter intuitive.
@mousieone Yeah, it's nice when wandering the city, which is, admittedly something I've done a ton of... I've never surprisingly little progress because I've spent so much time playing virtual tourist , but it's only valuable to be that smooth if it doesn't change from looking like a beautiful city to looking like a video game. Some of it gets kinda rough looking in "normal".
Then again the game has billboards for Sony phones and circle, triangle, square Easter eggs on signage... The game was really really designed for PS it would seem. I'm betting the ps5 version gets better performance, but I'd still rather play it on X
I think the entire industry overlooked how "meh" 4K really is. I have several 4K TVs in my house, in addition to a 4K monitor for my gaming PC, and while I see the difference, it's seriously not something that I feel was really worth my time, money and research for. 4K monitors are great for clarity but I'm sitting 6-8 feet away from my TV and genuinely don't see much difference. 60 fps (or even 120 fps) though? Absolute gold. I'd rather they look the remaining horsepower and created convincing hair for once. It's so weird to see all of these near-photo realistic humans walking about and interacting with plastic wigs on their heads.
@NEStalgia yeah I don’t know. I feel like Sega will go back and make Yakuza 7 run better on the PS5. Not because of Sony but to entice Japanese PS5 owners to rebuy the game. But not patch the XSX version :/
Anyway yeah Tekken is icky but I don’t completely blame the 720. I mean tons of Switch games are less than that and don’t look nearly as bad. Everything about the textures etc :/
@mousieone Yeah, I expect it. Plus that engine is a dinosaur, and will almost certainly just run better on PS5 by doing nothing at all....just benefiting from a higher clock. It's not even HDR...I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing were single threaded. For a company that builds its image on a supersonic rodent, they suuuure go slowly.... And the Yakuza series has been so tied to PS, and the dev team so used to it (and probably loyal to it), they probably just put the extra touches there. OTOH Sony's censoring is no doubt hitting Sega's JP-only games. Who knows!
Tekken...it was just. So. bad. It was this hideous blurry mess. Like vaseline all over the screen. I really didn't want to buy it on PS. My big Razer fight stick is for XB. I ended up having to buy an adapter to use the XB stick on the PS4 (Which certainly won't work on PS5....groan.
Can I just preorder Tekken 8 already?
@NEStalgia considering the Season pass for 4 is coming out; probably not. It’s funny how Tekken Tag 2 looks better simply because it’s 360 game. And also I played the bulk of 6 on a PSP; -_- I really hope they next gen patch it.
I guess who knows about Sega. Something Similar happened with FF XII on the Xbox but they eventually patched it. It’s possible.
@mousieone sigh - I guess sales for it were really that bad that it wasn't a priority. Plus the producer is pretty much on the record as being PS focused, and I think at one point he said the version of the engine used basically didn't make updating it easy. But you'd think as a matter of pride they'd want their game to not look like it's running on a Wii while they're actively supporting it. It's one thing to look better on one platform, but to be one of the worst looking games on any platform has to unlock a special achievement of some sort...
Sega, I trust with XB. Given their history, they're very closely tied. Bamco OTOH.....
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