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BAMozzy

@Gamer83: Personally I feel that Nintendo have made a conscious decision not to take on Sony or MS but to offer a more niche product. Its as if they are trying to be the unique but '2nd' choice console. By that I mean that many will opt to buy a PS4 or XB1 as their primary choice for mainstream gaming but buy a Nintendo as a niche, unique 2nd console. Many won't buy both a PS4 and XB1 because they are ultimately similar and so Nintendo have consciously made the decision to be 'different' to give gamers a unique experience and appeal to both PS4 and XB1 owners. By making themselves different, it opens up that whole market. If they were too similar to MS/Sony, that puts them in direct competition which could see them lose out on the 'alternative/2nd console' market.

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Gamer83

@BAMozzy:
That might be what Nintendo is trying to do but that didn't work too well this gen and personally I know more people who are like, owning a PS4 and Xbox One (some have all 3 plus a PC), as opposed to PS4 or X1 and a Wii U. It's widely accepted Nintendo makes the best exclusives, not sure I agree with that, but it's the consensus opinion, and that is what will always help Nintendo standout, not an under-powered console with ridiculous gimmicks like motion control or putting a giant, useless screen in the middle of the controller. A high-powered console with all Nintendo's games plus possibly the best versions of some big third party games? Sounds like a better idea to me than what Nintendo has tried recently.

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BAMozzy

@Gamer83: Nintendo have been that 'something different' option for a while. The Gamecube was hardly 'powerful'. The N64, probably the last 'great' Nintendo console in terms of market share, opted for Cartridge when that medium was over but gave us 'unique' gaming with the analogue controller. The Wii was underpowered but beame a big seller because of the motion control - great for families and non-gamers but became obsolete when PS had Move and Xbox added Kinect. It seems they want to separate themselves from mainstream gaming and be that niche, unique product. I know more people that own a PS4 or XB1 and a Wii U myself and many who say I won't buy an XB1/PS4 if they own a PS4/XB1 because the games are too similar - Halo/Killzone, GT/Forza etc. The main difference is the Japanese games but the majority of games released are available on both where as the games on WiiU are unique to that console. Even games like ZombiU is supposed to be better with the screen as it was designed that way.
For those that want Nintendo to be their primary console, I can understand why they would want it to be more powerful and offer 3rd party games. it also increase the library and options but it seems Nintendo are content to be an 'individual' product rather than a mainstream one.

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Vincent294

@Utena-mobile: Lack of backwards compatibility comes to mind. As for Battlefront, that [server issues] sounds like EA's problem if I had to wager a guess. Microsoft shutting down Lionhead was a mistake in my eyes. They really need to get Fable 4 started with someone else ASAP.

Vincent294

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andrew20

Now let us make some insane predictions.

andrew20

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andrew20

Time to get on the former Nintendo hype train.First stop Microsoft E3 then Sony E3.

andrew20

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Utena-mobile

@Vincent294: That's what I'm thinking too. And yeah, no BC sucks.
@andrew20: insane predictions? ok!!! Drakengard 1-3 is getting a ps4 remaster! Panzar Dragoon is coming back for X1! Ps4 is going to get ps1 games! X1 is getting a Kingdom Hearts 1&2 remaster (ps4 as well)! Nintendo is remastering Eternal Darkness, and a sequel is coming out for NX!! Cross platform games for all 3 systems!!

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BAMozzy

@Vincent294: No doubt MS are in the process of setting up 'Albion' (or similar reference) Studios for the sole purpose of churning out Fable games....

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stylon

Got my pessimistic hat on today...Personally I've got this feeling that Microsoft are going to shoot themselves in the foot this time around. Not sure why, maybe it's because of the constant push towards the PC or their mis-steps recently but yeah I'm a bit concerned.

Hope they do have something stellar to announce though because Sony are going to go in all guns blazing trumpeting their Neo and VR and of course The Last Guardian (had to throw that one in there). They need to do a lot more than just announce some sequels to popular franchises...

Also agree that shutting down Lionhead was a dumb idea, although not as dumb an idea as turning a much loved Single Player RPG franchise into a multiplayer PVP F2P travesty. Should have just admitted they made a mistake, salvaged as many assets as they could and diverted all efforts into making Fable 4...

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Captain_Chao5

@BAMozzy - Could I ask a question related to a comment you made? "Even Doom doesn't manage a locked 60fps or a full 1080p all the time - in fact it drops down to 720p in places and runs mostly at 900p.". I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just curious how you know this?

As far as E3 goes, I'll just wait and see. Maybe I was lucky with 360 lasting so long and expected the XB1 to do the same - hence coughing up over £400 quid on day one. I agree MS really need to "up the ante" to remain in competition with Sony. There have been many tweaks (read u-turns) that have improved the console (and some that haven't!) but I can't help feeling Xb1 is playing second fiddle to PS4. If the next Xbox is not at the very least on par with PS, it would be very bad.

I'm currently on the fence with what I'll do. The reason I stopped PC gaming was the constant HW upgrades required to play the latest games. Now it feels like instead of extra RAM, faster GPU, etc I'll be looking at a new console every few years. That prospect does not appeal. One thing is for sure. I'll not be buying either console on Day 1. Fingers burnt, lesson learned!

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BAMozzy

@Captain_Chao5: I watched Digital Foundrys tech analysis of Doom - They have done 2 videos but this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la0O0SyM3gg (around 2.30) states that Doom runs mostly at 900p, occasionally hitting 1080p in some scenes but also drops as low as almost 720p to try and maintain its 60fps. Anti-aliasing though makes it look 'softer' rather than 'jaggy'. I also watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhhsmcoYybc which looks primarily at the 'frame rates' between both consoles.

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stylon

^^^ This is what annoys me about this generation... this obsession with res and FPS from the likes of Digital Foundry. I've played Doom on the One and it's enormously good fun, ridiculously fast-paced, good looking and silky smooth. I'm not saying that any of this trickery hasn't been used... but that I personally don't notice any of it going on once I'm engrossed in a game and surely most everyone else would be the same.

Of course you're going to notice these things when they're pointed out and they give you side-by-side images that you can zoom in on and FPS readouts and graphs to nit-pick but if you notice this sort of stuff while playing the game then IMO you're playing it wrong.

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BAMozzy

@stylon: I didn't say it makes Doom any less enjoyable on the XB1 and if you do own the XB1 version you can no doubt enjoy it equally a much as those on PS4. You are not going to notice if that's all you have but as I own both and with a 4K TV, I can see the differences in many games I have that I own on both consoles. The difference is definitely noticeable.

For me with both, buying a game based on resolution is one of my last considerations. I buy games more on who has the the 'exclusive' link so that I can get the bonus items or earlier access over which has the higher pixel count. I buy MP games more based on friends - no point buying a game that most of friends are playing on another console and not on the one that may have a better resolution. Single player games, if they have no exclusive bonuses etc, I will buy based on the most consistent frame rates and then best resolution. Anyone who says these things don't really matter may as well of just stuck with last gen or their 'first' console. It maybe 'not' the first consideration but it is a consideration. If you were buying a console or game, would you not buy the one that constantly has better performance by choice?

Its not playing the game wrong either, its about wanting the 'best' overall experience. I know Uncharted 4 (for example) would have felt better at 60fps, but the 'wow' factor of the visuals cannot be understated or ignored. No doubt it could have been made to run on a PS3 with changes to the lighting and particle effects which would still give the same 'impression' but I bet it would lack that 'Wow' factor. I played Arkham Knight on both consoles but the better visuals of the PS4 version impressed and wowed me more. Gaming is not just a physical experience but the visual and aural experience can enhance the overall experience - especially if the frame rates remain consistent to keep you in the game. When things drop, it takes you out of that moment.

As I said its not 'side by side' analytical and trying to spot the 'differences' with a magnifying glass but often these differences are very noticeable. They don't always impact on the game but frame rate drops can be very noticeable and affect the way a game plays and feels. Resolution can have an impact too. Have you played Gears of War Ultimate at 1080/60 and how that looks/feels compared to the original? you can't tell me that doesn't make any difference...

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Captain_Chao5

Thanks @BAMozzy. I was wondering if you had some clever gadget to detect it lol. Must admit I try to avoid the whole frame rate/resolution thing. If I think a game looks good on my XB1, I'm happy. I do get a bit annoyed when I see side-by-side comparisons and XB1 is obviously lesser quality. I guess this is down to the hardware itself.

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BAMozzy

@Captain_Chao5: A lot of it is Hardware. Games are very much run on the GPU so the fact there is a significant difference between PS4 and XB1's GPU, is why there is a noticeable difference. Hitman though utilises the CPU more for some graphical procedures and actually performs fractionally better than the PS4 on frame rate because it has a faster CPU. The overall difference in power though is quite significant with the PS4 being nearly 50% more powerful - hence we see a difference in performance in games. It doesn't change the story or content of course.

I know as soon as any new console gets announced, my first thought is 'how good will games look'. Historically we have always looked at graphics and many reviews used to break down a game into components and 'graphics' was always discussed. back then it was more subjective - you didn't get resolution/frame rates but now these things can be quantified.

I am not unhappy to play games on my XB1 either. All things being equal (3rd party deals, content, friends to play MP etc) I will buy the game that looks and plays the best but its only after considering the other aspects. The XB1 has sold well but even now that it is cheaper, has backwards compatibility etc, it still can't match the sales of PS4 every month - even in months with exclusive releases when PS4 doesn't. The main reason must be because of 'game performance' so it must be important to a lot of people.

Even though I have little interest in VR myself, that is something that looks like it could be a big deal in the next 18months. MS could jump on that bandwagon by releasing a more powerful console - enough to run a VR device. Oculus Rify seems the most logical after packaging a XB1 controller with the headset. Sony has leaked its PS4K hardware stats which makes it around 2.5 times that of the PS4 (around 4.2TFLOPs compared to 1.86 for the PS4 and 1.41 for the XB1) and 3 times that of the XB1. If MS don't react to the market, I can see sales dropping further. The PS4 will drop in price and can offer VR as well as better performance in games. Those that want an improved gaming experience - better visual and smoother, consistent frame rates, they will buy the PS4k. I do think that MS has to respond. I don't know what the NX will do but that could also push MS sales down.

At the end of the day, they are a business and sales are important. I can see them trying to out-do Sony by offering a console that can deliver VR in the form of Oculus (which is better than PSVR and could have VR apps too - not just gaming) but also deliver a more powerful console too. Phil Spencer said he wouldn't be interested in 'intermediate' steps but the new hardware available could see a console be 6-8x as power as the XB1 which is the same jump we had from the XB360. Whether 4k is of interest to many at the moment, 4k TV's are outselling 1080p and within a year or 2 are likely to be the most common TV in peoples houses (according to analysts) - at least in the USA where MS are based. Not saying that a NextBox will be able to offer 4k native but could offer 1440p upscaled (around 1native for every 1 artificially added - 1080 is 1 native -3 added).

I don't know how much you know about GPU's but the next gen of nVidia - the GTX1080, runs current games (like the Witcher 3, RotTomb Raider, Division etc) at 4k and 35-40fps, the top of the range last gen cards (Titan and Fury) struggle to hit 30fps and the GTX980 (the card the 1080 replaces) runs 4k at 10-15fps. The new chips are smaller, faster and cheaper and the new architecture makes them far more efficient too. Combined with the new software - like DX12, Vulcan etc, this is a big technological leap and why I think consoles will get left behind unless we get new ones. Yes I will be disappointed that my consoles haven't lasted - especially as my PS4 isn't 18month old yet, my XB1 is only 27 months old! I believe that they need to keep up with the technology to continue to deliver the gaming experience I expect. I would be more disappointed if games had loading screens, poor draw distances, less enemies/AI/NPC's etc that the same game doesn't have on another platform.

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Utena-mobile

@Captain_Chao5: I wouldn't let resolution and frame rate affect you too much. Metal Gear Solid 3 has had some pretty bad moments where I'm wondering if my 3ds is going to make it or not (jk, I exaggerate) but it's still on my top 5 list and one of the most emotional games I've ever played.

But I'm with you with how I feel about this console generation. If this is it, and we're going to start seeing 4 year lifespan, I'm definitely going to call this my most disappointing console gen and the beginning of the end for me when it comes to getting hyped about new consoles.

Valkyrie 2, standing by.

Gamer83

@Utena-mobile:
The thing is tech is advancing at a higher rate than it ever has and four years is only one year shorter than the traditional console lifecycle before the 360, PS3 and Wii hit the market and lasted for way, way, way too freaking long. If Sony and MS go down the route where you can buy an updated piece of hardware after 3 years but still play games perfectly fine on your launch-day machine, I really don't see the issue and think people are making too much out of nothing. It isn't 1985 anymore with an industry still in its infancy.

Of course not saying anybody should feel the same way but I do think this might be for the best going forward and it's also why I don't think we're going to see 'PS5,' Xbox 'Two' etc. It's going to be interesting to see which direction each of these companies go in the coming years. I think PlayStation will go service based (which is why Sony still needs to get its act together with PSN, it's better this gen but far from perfect) and MS will take Xbox in a more steambox direction, it will just be executed better.

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Gamer83

Utena-mobile

@Gamer83: I wouldn't know. I wasn't alive in 1985. But just going off of the PS3 and 360 (which is the console gen I know best), both consoles saw some of their very best games and innovation in terms of story telling and cinematic approach in the second half of the console generation. The first half was spent testing the waters with ps2 sequels, the occasional new franchise and just learning the system.

I mean, I totally get where you coming from. Developers need to have something powerful to work with if they want their vision to become a reality. But I feel like there has to be a common ground between pushing the most powerful console possible, and developers working with what they have and taking the time and energy to create a game that sticks with us and becomes memorable, and possibly even the start of a new series (instead of just focusing on more powerful graphics and higher body counts). Maybe PS4.5 and Xb1.5 will be that common ground? Maybe, but I haven't seen anything that would convince me otherwise. Although I am more than willing to be convinced, and am pretty excited to see what this E3 will tell us.

I think Sony and Microsoft will have a pretty amazing presentation. Nintendo... uhm, well, I'll wait until the Tokyo Game Show to see what they have (besides Zelda, of course).

Valkyrie 2, standing by.

Gamer83

@Utena-mobile:
The thing is the new hardware doesn't break up the generation, we'd just be getting upgraded (not even really that significantly) PS4s and Xbox Ones but they're still the PS4 and Xbox One. If I want to keep my day-one console I'll still be able to play the new God of War just like somebody with a PS4 Neo. Granted it might not look as good or run at 60 frames but if it runs a smooth 30 and isn't a broken mess that's all that matters. Of course, we have to see how everything plays out. I'm impatient and wish E3 would just happen already so we can find out what's going on.

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Utena-mobile

@Gamer83: I know, right? E3!!! Where are you!?!
(ToT )/

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