@ElkinFencer10 I respect your feelings, but it seems you missed an important point. (Maybe a couple):
PC has been digital for well over a decade. Only old DirectX 9.0 games are still sold on Disc; although admittedly if you buy from GOG, you can burn your own Blu-rays if you've installed a drive in your PC. But make no mistake, if you've done that much, you ARE the minority (respectfully).
The other thing is: XBOX games & your PC games on ONE device, vs. Your PC with most XBOX games natively available & the rest available via streaming. THAT'S the point of HELIX!
Imagine being able to install ALL of your digital steam games as well as your #XPA games without having to switch HDMI/DVI inputs, nor having to change settings. Being able to have cross-save between HELIX Prime and the handheld. Having a dedicated High-end target for developers to target (think 9070XT level performance).
@joeyflannel I admit, the demo thing is not available. What I will say is back in Gen 6, we had demos (similar to Onimusha: WOTS) where is a small slice of the game. I dont like how EA gives you 10 hours and thats it. I dont make my mind up within 10 hours, let alone 2-3. Your idea isn't bad, but I feel that it doesn't work for every player and their habits.
If i had to give some sort of "resolution", break out "add-ons":
$10 for "GamePass Gold" base sub. (Incl. current Game Pass Premium perks) $5 for "GamePass Silver" base sub. (Incl. old XBOX 1st party back catalog, similar to 'Essential'
Then offer: $5 for cloud streaming add-on $5 for day one games add-on
Obviously my prices are just an example. But I would ACCEPT something like that as long as I dont end up paying $25 - $30 per month for my subscription.
@joeyflannel with all due respect, everything you've outlined is in Game Pass Premium. Have you tried subbing to that tier? Its about half the cost of ultimate, games come a year later and 3rd party titles are added after 6-12 months.
I would be DEVASTATED, if Day 1 titles were completely removed from #XGPUltimate. In my opinion, that's the main selling point for the Ultimate Tier. They do NOT have Day 1 games in #XGPPremium or Essential. In my opinion anyone that is "okay" with not having day 1 titles, should've just subbed to one of those tiers vs. XBOX "lowering the value" of Ultimate.
As someone that doesn't have alot of money to just shell out, and as a Parent of multiple kids who also play on XBOX and XBOX PC, Ultimate allows me to enjoy the newest games within my Sub without having to scrape $70 per title. My feelings would be different if game prices had not INCREASED twice in Generation 9. We went from $50 - 70 without any REAL explanation. I stay subbed to Ultimate (myself) all year long. I get my Kids Essential throughout the year. We enjoy all of the 1st party titles together. Removing Day 1 WILL NOT force me to buy more games... it will however force me to just play what i've bought digitally over the past 3 generations.
For some reason, everyone keeps saying that the price is "eye-watering" and that it's a bit much for what you're getting. $600 for a 60gb PS3 was eye-watering. No one seems to stop and think about just how much those 1tb and 2tb memory cards cost!
Even after the exclusivity ended and a second manufacturer was allowed to come to market. Those cards cost $150 - $499 regularly throughout the year. Hypothetically you can spend $499.99 for a reg. Black Series X + $150 (1tb Western Digital memory card) which equals $650 alone (not accounting for taxes).
People are missing the point that Microsoft has listened to their community about the high costs of those cards and instead opted to offer an option with increased storage built-in at a $50 savings to the consumer. I honestly don't know why the Internet always loses their sh*t when Microsoft does something new with their products.
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Re: Talking Point: What Would Seal The Deal For You With Xbox Project Helix?
@ElkinFencer10 I respect your feelings, but it seems you missed an important point. (Maybe a couple):
PC has been digital for well over a decade. Only old DirectX 9.0 games are still sold on Disc; although admittedly if you buy from GOG, you can burn your own Blu-rays if you've installed a drive in your PC. But make no mistake, if you've done that much, you ARE the minority (respectfully).
The other thing is: XBOX games & your PC games on ONE device, vs. Your PC with most XBOX games natively available & the rest available via streaming. THAT'S the point of HELIX!
Imagine being able to install ALL of your digital steam games as well as your #XPA games without having to switch HDMI/DVI inputs, nor having to change settings. Being able to have cross-save between HELIX Prime and the handheld. Having a dedicated High-end target for developers to target (think 9070XT level performance).
Re: Talking Point: How Would You Feel If Xbox Game Pass Actually Dropped Day One Releases?
@joeyflannel I admit, the demo thing is not available. What I will say is back in Gen 6, we had demos (similar to Onimusha: WOTS) where is a small slice of the game. I dont like how EA gives you 10 hours and thats it. I dont make my mind up within 10 hours, let alone 2-3. Your idea isn't bad, but I feel that it doesn't work for every player and their habits.
If i had to give some sort of "resolution", break out "add-ons":
$10 for "GamePass Gold" base sub. (Incl. current Game Pass Premium perks)
$5 for "GamePass Silver" base sub. (Incl. old XBOX 1st party back catalog, similar to 'Essential'
Then offer:
$5 for cloud streaming add-on
$5 for day one games add-on
Obviously my prices are just an example. But I would ACCEPT something like that as long as I dont end up paying $25 - $30 per month for my subscription.
Re: Talking Point: How Would You Feel If Xbox Game Pass Actually Dropped Day One Releases?
@joeyflannel with all due respect, everything you've outlined is in Game Pass Premium. Have you tried subbing to that tier? Its about half the cost of ultimate, games come a year later and 3rd party titles are added after 6-12 months.
Re: Talking Point: How Would You Feel If Xbox Game Pass Actually Dropped Day One Releases?
I would be DEVASTATED, if Day 1 titles were completely removed from #XGPUltimate. In my opinion, that's the main selling point for the Ultimate Tier. They do NOT have Day 1 games in #XGPPremium or Essential. In my opinion anyone that is "okay" with not having day 1 titles, should've just subbed to one of those tiers vs. XBOX "lowering the value" of Ultimate.
As someone that doesn't have alot of money to just shell out, and as a Parent of multiple kids who also play on XBOX and XBOX PC, Ultimate allows me to enjoy the newest games within my Sub without having to scrape $70 per title. My feelings would be different if game prices had not INCREASED twice in Generation 9. We went from $50 - 70 without any REAL explanation. I stay subbed to Ultimate (myself) all year long. I get my Kids Essential throughout the year. We enjoy all of the 1st party titles together. Removing Day 1 WILL NOT force me to buy more games... it will however force me to just play what i've bought digitally over the past 3 generations.
Re: Talking Point: Are You Interested In Any Of The New Xbox Series X|S Models?
For some reason, everyone keeps saying that the price is "eye-watering" and that it's a bit much for what you're getting. $600 for a 60gb PS3 was eye-watering. No one seems to stop and think about just how much those 1tb and 2tb memory cards cost!
Even after the exclusivity ended and a second manufacturer was allowed to come to market. Those cards cost $150 - $499 regularly throughout the year. Hypothetically you can spend $499.99 for a reg. Black Series X + $150 (1tb Western Digital memory card) which equals $650 alone (not accounting for taxes).
People are missing the point that Microsoft has listened to their community about the high costs of those cards and instead opted to offer an option with increased storage built-in at a $50 savings to the consumer. I honestly don't know why the Internet always loses their sh*t when Microsoft does something new with their products.