Rumour: Xbox Lockhart Performance Profile Includes 4TF GPU, 7.5GB Usable RAM

Its almost certainly going to be an HD version of the Series X if confirmed. I know it will have 'similar' performance to the XB1X in GPU but if the console is having to deliver more frames per second, then it obviously needs to be more powerful to draw more frames and in a shorter time between each - let alone any extra flourishes (like RT?) it may offer...

@PretendWorking Probably 2 main points:

1. HDD vs. SSD (next gen games over time will take advantage of the SSD so won't be playable on any XB1 model)

2. Get rid of the XB1 brand (while Phil Spencer went a long way to bring XB1 back from its early years, the brand is still tainted from those days)

@PretendWorking I agree, the only thing I can think of is this will have an SSD and raytracing hardware. That, or the original rumour of it being part streaming is true.

@abe_hikura next-gen 4TFLOPs could equal to current-gen 6TFLOPS because of 3 gen architecture gap between them so basically Lockhart would be Xbox One X's successor with modern components and without a trashy cpu even a pentinum is more powerful than jaguar cpu. Instead of outputting 4K, however, I think it's more likely to output 1080p or maybe 2k the majority of people still has a 1080p tv so having only 8gb ram and less bandwith than x1x won't matter as the 1080p is the target instead of 4k

@experTiger That makes sense.

This thing will probably hold series x back. It's not just the tf, it's the underclocked cpu and significantly less ram. Series x exclusives will have to be built for this thing first, rather than series x, simply because its easier to scale up, not down.

@SuperNintendoMii wrong scaling down is easier than up when the games are ported to the pc they use high end specs and then they try and make weaker gpu run the dev usaly work with rtx2080 or something and then they try to make the game run in gtx1060 not the other way around so series s wont hold back it will be 1080p version they will have the same cpu

@PretendWorking cheap 4k tv usually have a lot of input lag as well being only made to watch movies instead of gaming or doing smooth 60fps there is a lot of 1080p variant like 1080p 144fps 240fps which 4k monitor lacks 90% of the world still stuck in 1080p Imaging you have an awesome 1080 244hz monitor do you really want to switch to 4k 60fps tv that usually have alot input lag

@experTiger no it's easier to port upwards because if they beef out a series x game then they have to cut and cut and cut the hell out of it to run on Series s. And consoles aren't pcs.

For crying out loud, this thing has less ram than an Xbox One X, and ram is very important. Gotta be the first time a company releases a new console with LESS ram than its previous product. Watered down exclusives will look pretty bad. I think Sony will run away with the exclusives next gen, like they did this gen. And last gen.

Microsoft is throwing plenty of things at the wall to see what sticks. I suppose they are capable of doing that, but there have been rumours that devs aren't happy with lockhart. Less ram is probably one of the reasons. Less ram than an x man... Smh

Thanks for all the comments. I really think the article should have included the X1X specs for comparison b/c these sounded really weak to me when I read them on twitter.

And I really think MS needed a better naming system b/c between X1, X1X and XSX comments I was getting kind of confused. Just writing them out I think I'm still confused actually.

So, how many consoles is MS currently selling and how many will it be selling after the new XSX release?

Off the top of my head, so probably wrong: (edit for price)
Current
Xbox One S - $299
Xbox One SAD - $249
Xbox One X - $399
Coming
Xbox Series X Lockhart - $???
Xbox Series X - $???????

So, are they going to drop all the Ones and just sell these for like $299 and $599?

I can sort of see why they're doing this, but it's going to be hard for Walmart and Target employees explaining the different to parents this holiday. If those people can even figure it out themselves.

@SuperNintendoMii you dont need that much ram for 1080p as well it's gddr6 it will be enough they wont cut they just need to change the resolution to 1080p instead of 4k and as well the series s have a better cpu much stronger than i7 the x1x cpu is easly beaten by a pentinum 4tflop new architech would be on par with 3gen old 6tflop architect.Basically the more teraflops are mostly needs for 4K and aiming for 1080p would be absolutely fine. consoles are even more closer to pc than ever thanks to amd ryzen and rdna2 which both are in pc. I suggest you to read digital foundry article
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-in-theory-does-a-4tf-next-gen-console-make-sense

@rjejr yeah I agree the naming is so confusing they should've named the xbox series x, xbox 20 or xbox beyond we already have x name in the old gen why reuse it and then the lockhart which probably will be xbox series s adding more confusion maybe series x should be beyond and lockhart beyond C for cheap

If this is the Xbox series baseline then the power gap between PlayStation and Xbox next gen will dwarf that between the PlayStation four and Xbox One.

I’m not saying it won’t be a successful product, the switch did well this generation. But (as with the switch) the may be things that come to PlayStation and PC that bypass Xbox if developers have to support this.

@experTiger

I thought Lockhart would be

Xbox Series X SAD

since they are going cheap they'd drop the drive, basically making it for people who just want Gamepass. No wait, no S, so

Xbox Series X AD

Maybe they'll name the other 1 for backwards compatibility

Xbox Series X BC

🤣

@rjejr lol these names are terrible and confusing they should've pick a random number instead maybe xbox 20,69.420,3000 or just anything that don't have an S or X in it's name IDK xbox infinite maybe beyond these names are much better and can be easly identifie them to old gen

@SuperNintendoMii That doesn't make any sense.

@experTiger Some bigwig at Microsoft thought he would be clever and rather than changing names call Xbox "Series" so they don't have gens, just new systems. But if they would have asked a normal gamer person they would have told them we already have "Series" names, PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5, are all in a series of Playstation gaming systems. Nobody is going to call it "Xbox SERIES X", they are just going to say "Xbox X" or "Xbox Lockhart". Putting series in the name is just stupid, we know what a series is. Nobody says "I'm watching Stranger Thing Series" on Netflix, we know what a series is.

And Xbox Series X after they already have an Xbox 1 X is just a serious epic fail.

So yeah, I agree w/ you, they should have called it "Xbox 2000" then worked off of that - "Xbox 2000", "Xbox 2000 Pro", "Xbox 2000 D". Nobody is calling it "Xbox Series anything", ever. Well maybe a few diehard fanobis, but that's about it.

BTW I picked 2000 b/c of the year, and it had a nice ring to it. And the potential for future names Xbox 4000, Xbox 6000 and Xbox 8000 for the next 3 gens. I'll be dead before that ends so I don't have to care what comes after that.

Also, Atair 2600, 5200 and 7800. I'm old, I owned a couple of those.

Has anyone stopped to think that Lockhart might actually be the xCloud architecture, instead of an actual console?

Current xCloud is running on Xbox One S hardware, so maybe Microsoft is going to follow suit with next-gen.

@rjejr Those are not the current prices, Microsoft reduced the price of Xbox One consoles, including Xbox One X.

@GamingFan4Lyf Interesting, Lockhart could be the cheaper hardware that plays games on the cloud for streaming at lower than 4K resolution or checkerboard 4K. If Lockhart is that, Series S doesn't exist. That would explain the devkit profiles leaks and that nobody has seen a different console prototype.

@BlueOcean Thanks. I went to MS website and could only find the price for the S. The X1X and SAD are out of stock. I did try.

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/consoles/all-consoles

I just tried another MS site and found these so I'll go fix my previous post. The SAD is $249 and the S $299 so the only 1 that's wrong is the $599 X1X which is $399. Which still leaves the matter of how many Xboxen need to be on shelves at what prices?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/collections/xboxconsoles?&ef_id=Cj0KCQjwudb3BRC9ARIsAEa-vUv0_Qo93EkLk5KkgChdQyAkZbP8qTekr_rjXaq7vYJwkU0NKq3iiJUaAuR-EALw_wcB:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!4249!3!271636150750!e!!g!!xbox%20console&ef_id=Cj0KCQjwudb3BRC9ARIsAEa-vUv0_Qo93EkLk5KkgChdQyAkZbP8qTekr_rjXaq7vYJwkU0NKq3iiJUaAuR-EALw_wcB:G:s&OCID=AID2000014_SEM_Cj0KCQjwudb3BRC9ARIsAEa-vUv0_Qo93EkLk5KkgChdQyAkZbP8qTekr_rjXaq7vYJwkU0NKq3iiJUaAuR-EALw_wcB:G:s

@rjejr Yeah, they're out of stock but I remember the Xbox One X price drop. Shelves are clear now for Series X to come, it seems.

For god sake just release one console the series X and make lots of AAA games from the ground up that fully utilise the consoles power and strengths. By doing that you might sell as much as Sony and Nintendo do, and we might pay lots of money to buy the Series X.

@PretendWorking
Well said totally agree. Microsoft seem to complicate the most simple of things.
Keep it simple, look at PS4 and Switch sales.

@Ryall
The switch did well because it has Nintendo exclusive AAA quality games and the portable feature.

@BlueOcean Won't it still be about 5 months before the Series drops? Are they just going to sell the S until then? Probably makes the most sense I suppose.

@rjejr Obviously, they didn't expect to sell so many Xbox One consoles in its final year.

I will be buying this day one.

@rjejr I agree BTW most people I know calls xbox series x just xbox sex it's easier to pronounce having S and X so close makes it hard to pronounce

@BlueOcean it makes perfect sense. Let me spell it out for you in simple English.

Lockhart will hold series x back.

@experTiger right so you think launching a 1080p console in 2020 is a good idea?

@SuperNintendoMii as I said 1080p won't hold the console even if lockhart didn't exist 1080p gaming pc gpu will hold the consoles pc is been doing that for years as well consoles now uses almost the same amd pc part same ryzen cpu same rdna2 gpu people are still satisfied with their 1080p tv so having more options is better buying a 4k tv and an xbox series x will cost you more than good pc build and people don't wanna spend that much money buying a 4k tv and a console. buying series x for a 1080p tv or for your child to play fortnite is a waste of money you're just overreacting imagine lockhart is a gtx1660 and series x is rtx2080 super but both uses a ryzen7 cpu the gtx1660 is amazing for 1080p and didn't hold back rtx2080 because people are fine with 1080p

@SuperNintendoMii None of your comments make any sense. If they were opinions then no problem, to each their own, but the level of misinformation in your comments is worrisome.

Ok so:
1) To replace XB1X
2) For people who at someone point in the next 24 months would like to upgrade but don`t have 4k equipment.
3) For people also on a budget (which in my mind confirms the $499 USD price point for Series X)

This makes sense as I doubt we will see new releases being released on both XB1 and Series X for more than 18 months after the console`s launch.

@BlueOcean so saying lockhart has the potential to hold series x back is misinformation? Even tho there's rumours coming out from devs that they are unhappy with lockhart? That's misinformation in your eyes is it?

@Iron-Ninja I'm having difficulty copying things on my phone.

Just Google 'are developers unhappy with lockhart' and a nice big list will pop up. Even from Jason Schrier, and no matter what people think of him, he has his finger on the pulse

@Iron-Ninja https://www.svg.com/181533/next-gen-xbox-quietly-dissed-by-the-witness-dev/
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2019/12/07/xbox-devs-reportedly-unhappy-about-weaker-next-gen-xbox-which-has-significantly-less-ram/
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/jason-schreier-from-kotaku-reiterates-that-devs-do-not-like-lockhart-significantly-less-ram.1514125/

There are also leaks praising PS5 specifications and looking down upon Series X specifications and those obviously come from Sony's studios because they don't make any sense as there's absolutely nothing superior about PS5 except the SSD.

If Lockhart is a console and we don't know because it could very well be the xCloud units like GamingFan4Lyf said, it's obvious that it won't hold Series X back because Microsoft is all about power and they're not stupid.

Do weak PCs hold AAA games back? Of course not. Xbox One and Series X are Windows devices too and Lockhart has next-gen technology which is just like a PC, so scaling down from Series X to Lockhart would be a piece of cake if Lockhart is a console because we still don't know. Games are scaled down these days, not scaled up. Windows games are not designed specifically for the weak hardware. Microsoft consoles are Windows consoles.

@SuperNintendoMii Nintendo’s Console is only 1080 and it’s doing perfectly fine. I honestly think you underestimate price and parents.

As for holding the series X back, I think you are forgetting all first party games over the next year to even 2022 will also run base Xbox one, the VCR model. If anything that would hold the games back, not this model.

@experTiger A PCGamer who buys the minimum graphics card needed to run the game they want to play at 1080p on low settings shouldn’t be surprised when they can’t run all of next years games. Where is someone with a card that can run this year‘s games on high settings at 4K would expect to be able to run next years games at lower settings.

I would consider the Xbox One X to be a 4K console since it is capable of running most games at 4K. It’s also capable of running most games at 60 frames per second. However there are outliers like pray that run 1440p with 30 frames per second. Whilst we haven’t seen any Games or tech demos that really push the Xbox series X on the PS5 side the unreal five tech demo runs at 1440p and 30 frames a second. I would speculate that game is aiming to fully utilise unreal five with a 1440p 30 frames per second target and PS5 would be problematic to run on the suggested Lockhart specs.

Well I really don't want to jump in to next gen anytime soon. I think the consoles are too big and will probably be too expensive. I was actually more likely to pick up an XBox One X first.

But if the XSS/Lockhart is smaller and cheaper. I might be tempted by that.

@mousieone Nintendo Switch is a different league to the other consoles, Nintendo live in their own bubble and don't need fancy hardware. The fact switch has overtaken xbox one in sales with 4 years less time on sale, and the success of the Wii kinda points to that.

The difference between Nintendo and Microsoft is Nintendo have a set of specs and that's it. Microsoft have different variations now and ab exclusive must work on all of them, from the series x to the underpowered one s. If you think developers are happy about that, despite the fact I've provided links showing they are not, then I don't know what to say 🤷‍♀️

@BlueOcean right because if you praise PS5 specs obviously it's because they are a Sony developer. Not that it is actually powerful and does some things under the hood better than series x. The ssd is NOT the only positive PS5 has over xbox, it also has 3d audio and a haptic feedback controller. But like you said, Microsoft is all about power.

@SuperNintendoMii Haptic feedback is not a console specification so what has that to do with this conversation? It's like when you said that PS has better games than Xbox on the other thread (that's an opinion), then why don't you admit you are a Sony fan (which is alright) or a Microsoft hater (which would be sad)?

By the way, the Xbox One controller of the current generation has haptic rumble in the triggers, Sony is just improving the rubbish rumble of the PS4 controller copying and combining Microsoft and Nintendo's controller shape and features and I know that the PS4 rumble is rubbish because I have both Xbox One and PS4 consoles and controllers but again, we're talking about hardware, not peripherals or games.

Yes, PS has "Tempest" 3D audio, why do you consider that to be superior by default? Microsoft also knows a thing or two about audio. Xbox One supports Dolby Atmos and Windows Sonic (many people believe that Windows Sonic, developed my Microsoft, is better than Dolby Atmos). What makes you think that Series X won't have 3D audio? Again, this is just you being biased, pessimistic and overreacting. On the other hand, you're being excessively positive about anything related to PS5, even unknown facts, rumours, leaks and speculation, like the links you have provided.

@GamingFan4Lyf I have mentioned that before, that it could just be a very compact sized and cheap to produce server rack.

@SuperNintendoMii I can provide you with links in the opposite direction. Some of which this website has created articles on. I don’t believe any of them. Less we forget last year at this time, the “dev talk” was how underpowered the Xbox Scarlet was compared to the PS5.

And Nintendo’s don’t live on their own bubble, the WiiU is proof of that.

Now having said that, there are a ton of people who do not own 4K TVs that game. I guarantee you if I called up my neighbor, whose 10 year old has a VCR Xbox 1, and asked him if he plans on getting a 4K TV so his kid can get the very best out of next gen, he say no. Parents don’t care, and 10 year olds just want to play the games.

shrugs the system may stay a rumor, it may not. But I’m not about to let my mind be made up, until I have a better picture of this ecosystem MS is planning.

@BlueOcean Did they expect to sell many Xbox 1 in any year? 😂

@experTiger Xbox Sex

hmmm, maybe I underestimated Microsoft and that was their plan all along? Now I'm genuinely curious.

@rjejr Well, they sold a lot of Xbox One S and Xbox One X consoles when they were released, boosting both hardware and software sales significantly, with Assassin's Creed games selling more on Xbox One than on PS4 in many markets and Forza Horizon 4 being frequently on the charts. The price drop of Xbox One X is quite recent and motivated by Series X being around the corner but they probably didn't expect to sell out everything so quickly, as you say, around 5 months before Series X launch. The Xbox brand is at its best now since the 360 days.

@mousieone wait what!? The Wii U is proof Nintendo don't live in a bubble? LOL Nintendo do what they want, which is always different to what everyone else does.

You are correct that not everyone owns a 4k set. However, like in 2005 when not everyone owned a HD TV, they started selling really well. The same will probably happen with 4k TV. And I'm not really talking about kids here.

@BlueOcean nothing more funny than when a someone basically makes you out to be a fanboy when they've been guilty of just that in the past. Yes, I have a PS4. I also have an Xbox One X and a Nintendo Switch. Yes, Sony have better games than Microsoft, they have just released the game of the generation in The Last of Us part 2. Nothing on any other system comes even remotely close to touching that game.

And 3D audio is a big thing in the PS5. I'm sure Microsoft know a thing or two about audio, I'd be amazed if they didn't. Difference is, Cerny has made that a central feature of the PS5 alongside its zero load times. Microsoft haven't.

@SuperNintendoMii Only two people, that usually act like fanboys, have accused me of being that, one of them you. The funny thing is that I am called fanboy because I state the obvious in both cases, that Series X is more powerful than PS5 and that, apparently, makes me a fanboy. If I was a fanboy I'd admit it, no problem, but I don't act like one on any forum and I got a PS4 before an Xbox One because I believed that Sony was better in the beginning of the current generation. Now I think that Microsoft is better. I just changed my mind.

When your arguments are so weak, you have to reconsider them. You should improve your comprehension skills, too, I didn't call you fanboy here and I never call anyone fanboy unless they call me that. I just asked you if you are a Sony fan and immediately after that I said that it's alright being a Sony fan. It's alright to be an Xbox fan. It's alright to be a Nintendo fan. I'm currently an Xbox and Nintendo fan.

"Sony have better games than Microsoft, they have just released the game of the generation in The Last of Us part 2. Nothing on any other system comes even remotely close to touching that game".

And you accuse others of being fanboys? I can't help thinking that you are radical and closed-minded, your comments about the private life of developers that you have posted on this website are embarrassing (I say this because you are also referring to other threads). However, I respect your opinion about TLoU but that's not a fact. They have rubbish gameplay and great motion capture and voice acting. They are rubbish games and great films so it's a hyperbolic statement to call them the games of the generation and that nothing on any other system comes even remotely close to touching that game. It doesn't surprise me because narrative games (especially Sony's) that are more films than games are overrated. Just my opinion, as acceptable as yours about these games, and I respect yours.

@SuperNintendoMii

Xbox Series S (or whatever it will be called) will not hold the Series X back (if it exists).

Ever heard of PC gaming? Not sure why some people can’t comprehend this. 🙄

@SuperNintendoMii

Haptic feedback controller has nothing to do with the hardware.

And 3D audio? Really? I think having a way more powerful system is more important than 3D audio. 😂

So PS5 has a fancy SSD and nothing else over the XSX.

@SuperNintendoMii

You state your opinions as fact, which is argumentative & ignorant.

Just because you love The Last Of Us 2 doesn’t mean everyone else does. And many would disagree that “no other game comes close”. I played the first one & thought it was extremely overrated. I am sure you love that game too? It’s a matter of opinion.

Stop trying to pass off your opinions as facts. Go crawl back over to Push Square & join the rest of those toxic trolls who worship everything Sony does. 👋🙄

(To everyone - sorry about the triple reply, but I got here late, this thread is super long, and this blowhard won’t stop yapping. Lol.)

@BlueOcean "The Xbox brand is at its best now since the 360 days."

Does that mean Microsoft is giving sales numbers, b/c if it's doing so well they should be reporting it.

OK that reads sarcastic but I'm honestly curious. Google gave me this but nothing from MS itself.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1005403/global-xbox-one-console-unit-sales/

@rjejr Yeah that sounds very Sony/Nintendo 😂.

Microsoft doesn't care about that anymore because they also have Play Anywhere games on the Microsoft Store and even Steam and they're busy preparing xCloud and Series X launch. Now, they care more about subscriptions to Game Pass than Xbox One units sold during the generation and Game Pass is much more successful commercially than PlayStation Now in spite of PS4 doubling Xbox One sales!

It's obvious that Sony made the most of Nintendo and Microsoft's mistakes in 2013, otherwise they wouldn't have sold so many consoles without new games in the first years but if you look at how well Microsoft (and Nintendo) are recovering now, and how Microsoft ranks higher on software charts in spite of subscriptions, it's easy to see that the Xbox brand is at its best since the 360 days.

@BlueOcean "Microsoft doesn't care about that anymore"

Well we both know that's a load of bull. 😉 Every company cares about the bottom line. They HAVE to know how many are selling to know how many more to make. They HAVE to know how well they are selling at each price point to know if they need to lower the price or put it on sale.

So maybe MS wants to pretend they don't care, but they care. You can't run a business selling a product w/o caring how many you sell.

Though it is obvious they don't care how many they sell in Japan, it's so few it's not worth their time to care, it's just a statement - Xbox 1 is available to purchase in Japan and however many other countries around the world. They are counting Japan as a country it's sold in, not how many they sell there. But they certainly care how many they sell in the U Sand EU.

@rjejr I mean that they care about the whole business, not just Xbox One units sold, especially with Series X around the corner. Don't just quote the first part of the first sentence when I perfectly explain my point to you afterwards.

@KelticDevil no it doesn't have anything to do with the hardware, it just adds a new layer to the experience. Keeps things a bit fresh. Power isn't everything, cupcake, PSOne and PS2 were not as powerful as the competition and look how that ended up. In the end its the games that talk, and I have already said I'm looking forward to what Microsoft game studios are cooking up. They have (in my opinion) one of the best developers in the world in Ninja Theory and I can't wait to see what they come up with after hellblade 2.

And yes I like the last of us 1. You don't. That's cool. Would be a pretty boring as hell world if everyone liked the same stuff.

I also don't comment on push Square.

@BlueOcean I never said you called me a fanboy. I said you basically made me out to be one. While we are talking about other threads, I still remember you claiming PSone and PS2 only sold well due to piracy and Sony being 'lucky', which is so wrong I don't know how you even read that without thinking it needed editing.

I also predominantly play on Switch, not PlayStation. Nintendo consoles are my primary gaming focus, not that I should have to explain that to you. I got Majoras Mask tattoo on my arm. No Sony fanboy would do that.

I've also talked at arms length on this site about how Microsoft will have great games coming down in the next few years, and how Phil Spencer is the coolest guy in gaming. Read: I like Xbox

And what developers? You mean the assassins creed guy? Who is being slated across the ENTIRE gaming media. A comment made about someone on an article posted on this very site? Or are you gonna call out people for reporting on it as well?

Thats fine about the last of us 2, you don't like it. Okay. I never called you out for it. Or anyone actually. I'm just stating my opinion that its the game of the generation. That's it.

@SuperNintendoMii I never said that. I said that piracy was ONE of the reasons why PS and PS2 sold MORE than the competition. PS was very easy to pirate. My cousin had one. GameCube games couldn't be pirated but PS2 DVDs were easy to pirate. I also said that PS4 sold so well partly because of Microsoft and Nintendo messing up. All of these are real facts but I never said that piracy was the reason but just ONE of the reasons why PS and PS2 sold so many consoles. I know real people that got them to pirate games. When I was in school, the most popular console was the easiest to pirate but that doesn't mean that everyone that bought a PS and a PS2 used pirated discs either.

@BlueOcean

I agree. At this point, Microsoft just wants you in their ecosystem. Whether that is on an Xbox, PC, or the Cloud.

The only people that rant on about console sales every five minutes are Sony fanboys because they live in the 90’s.

And yes PS Now is a joke compared to Game Pass. I agree.

@BlueOcean but whatever, I don't really care. We're all gamers at the end of the day, I'm not going to argue.

We should just do an imagenary handshake and move on. Water under the bridge, and all that.

You too @KelticDevil. Hugs all round

@KelticDevil Game Pass is awesome.

@SuperNintendoMii Very well. Hands shaken.

@SuperNintendoMii

👍🏻

@BlueOcean The point was explained, Xbox is more than just hardware, there is a lot of software involved. But the same can be said for Sony, they have PS+ and PS Now, and until recently they had PS Vue, and they still list hardware numbers.

So, I think MS not sharing their hardware numbers has less to them with them being focused on other things and more to do with Xbox bein goutsold about 2-1 by PS4 and also now probably even w/ Switch, a console that has only been out for half as long.

So I suppose my rebuttal to you is, MS isn't reporting hardware numbers b/c they don't care about hardware numbers, instead I think MS isn't reporting hardware numbers b/c they do care about hardware numbers. If they didn't "care" care, they would just release them and say "here are our hardware numbers, we don't care if we're 3rd in hardware sales b/c we get most of our money from subscriptions."

So yeah, I think they care. For a variety of reasons.

It is obvious they are focused more on streaming than hardware sales, Xbox games on PC for $1 per month, Xcloud, Gamepass, but they still care about hardware. They care about being the best for 1 thing. Does Spencer sound like someone who doens't care about hardware?

https://www.essentiallysports.com/just-being-honest-xbox-boss-claims-advantage-over-playstation-5-esports-news/

@rjejr Hence the words "anymore" and "Xbox One" and "they're preparing xCloud and Series X launch" which you didn't read or understand, so read my first reply again:

"Microsoft doesn't care about that (referring to the Xbox One sales you mentioned) anymore because they also have Play Anywhere games on the Microsoft Store and even Steam and they're busy preparing xCloud and Series X launch. Now, they care more about subscriptions to Game Pass than Xbox One units sold during the generation and Game Pass is much more successful commercially than PlayStation Now in spite of PS4 doubling Xbox One sales!"

Anyway, as far as I know from your posts on Nintendo Life, you're not interested in Xbox so what's the point? This loop feels like a waste of time and it's getting late.

@BlueOcean Good question, I'm glad you asked.

I was minding my own business on twitter when I came across the tweet about this article. And these specs looked fairly weak compared to the XSX, even, I thought, to the X1X, so I came here to find out what's going on, b/c I didn't understand the reason for putting out a new console that's weaker than the old console. Even Nintendo doesn't do that. So I posted, #14, and then people, you among them, started replying to me, so I continued to have conversations b/c that's what these forums are for, conversations.

So yeah, even though I won't be first in line for a new Xbox, I like to know what's going on in the industry. The price of the next Xbox, both high and low end, will probably play a part in the price of the two new PS5 models. Nintendo won't care, they have the only portable, there more a sidekick than a competitor at this point. But I am interested.

@rjejr I replied to you, in a friendly way, because you said that Xbox One X current price is $499 and then you edited it.

Nobody outside Microsoft knows if that console exists to begin with. It could be the xCloud unit.

The price of Series X might be revealed after PS5 price, no one knows that either.

I don't mind you asking me and getting into a conversation but I didn't say what you said I did twice in a row, that's why I didn't see the point in continuing it.

@BlueOcean "I don't mind you asking me and getting into a conversation but I didn't say what you said I did twice in a row"

I think we should leave it there, b/c neither of us is likely to write a better sentence than that to end this conversation with.

@rjejr For the record, I was friendly and answered everything until I lost my patience, sorry.

Feel free to ask about Xbox, it's not the bad thing you think it is.

From a marketing standpoint, Lockhart is going to be hard to sell. I say that because of the Teraflops issue. People see a smaller number and they think it's weaker than X1X, which is not a good thing. In any case, MS is a software company first, so they're fine with selling people on GamePass and XCloud.

@PretendWorking I was comparing PS2 and GameCube that both started strong with third party support and how they were perceived by people. If you read what I wrote you know that I said that piracy was one of the reasons, not the reason so your reply doesn't make much sense.

@GunValkyrie I've actually heard the contrary to that, tbh.

@BlueOcean It's fine. And besides, it seems like you have your hands filled elsewhere, good luck.

@rjejr I don't know what do you mean with that.

@BlueOcean Seems like you already have a discussion going w/ Pretendworking and I didn't want to distract you from it. Apologies if it read more ominous than that.

There are some unrespectful people, unfortunately. I don't think it's funny.

@IronMan30
Not if the "smaller number" people see is the price. Rumors have it at $199. That makes it an easy buy, specially for parents. I mean, how much power do you need for Roblox? 😏

@gingataisen yeah, if that rumored price is true, it will be a very easy sell.