Reaction: Xbox Needs A New, Reliable Competitor For PS5's 'DualSense Edge'

Does it? Unless you're a pro gamer I don't see the point of these controllers. Also the price of the 'Dualsense Edge' is just about the price of the Series S and it's controller.

I don’t think it does the elite 2 and core controllers are better for me.
You cannot change the physical tension on the thumb sticks on the Edge for a start.

Also my son has gone through, average gamer 2 duelsense with drift, second one just gone about a year old. Sony you are shambolic.

@BRT15 I felt the same for a good while. Paddles are really the biggest difference when playing Halo or any FPS. You can definitely play with out them but they make a huge difference.

I generally use them as a more reliable version of the joystick click.

I have not been able to get myself to use paddles personally. Got myself a Wolverine controller for PC a while back on a big sale, and although I still use it, I find the paddles are, for me, not that easy to reach.

I mean, I'd like to see Elite 3 push it to the next level. But lets be honest here. Xbox has had the best controller since 360 era and it hasn't even been close at all. Sony finally, starts taking design advice from Xbox and then Xbox is immediately behind? No, it's still the best controller easily. But, I do agree I don't want XBox to get complacent. I want to see them adopt the new magnetic system that supposedly ends drift problems. Drift is the biggest plague on gaming right now. I love my Scuf Instinct and would like to see Elite 3 replicate their rear buttons as well as the mouse-click triggers vs the rear paddles and trigger stoppers. A big thing they could do would be to open up controller settings and allow community uploads of controller settings that could be downloadable to your controller. They could really be on to something with that if done right. Could have streamers link their configs and have a ranking system for the community uploads.

@Tharsman it takes some getting used to. When I first got an elite 2 I tried using all 4 paddles but switched to using just 2.

I don't know how the Wolverine compares but each controller is different. Right now I'm using a Thrustmaster eSwap S and find it be fairly comfortable after a few weeks use.

@ParsnipHero Yes, rear paddles and trigger stops (or Scuf's trigger mouse-click even better) are huge for shooters.

@Kaloudz touchpad gimmick on the front and rear of the controller that has very little, to no use on most games.

No xbox needs to get its management in order for games

dual sense edge isnt all that great for price. poor battery, no paddles.

that said i do prefer regular ps5 dual sense, over xbox version which feels far cheaper to me.

Microsoft just needs quality control on their controllers, honestly. I don't think there's much wrong with the Elite 2 aside from it becoming a lovely paper weight after 3-6 months use.

The duelsense edge for me is like Sony TVs offer less for more cost against the likes of LG and Samsung.

I'm perfectly happy with standard PS controller, which for me is best of breed. I don't like the feel of the series X controller, its plastic and clicky and I have three that all suffer from 'sticky trigger', but I know there are many that swear by it - even if I swear at it:) The absence of gyro in particular is a big over sight for me.
When there are plenty of controllers like scuffs which are as expensive or more so, but don't include half the features, then I don't see this particular one as expensive for the market its aiming for. but I'm not that market and wont have one!

The series x/s base controller is brilliant, as is the base dual sense. Only thing I want all controllers to adopt is haptics and gyro

@Dezzy70
What have TV's got to do with this story?
Sony still won all the best Tv awards last year because they have better a picture and better image processing (their motion processing in particular is the best). I say this whilst typing on my PC connected to an LG c1 - first and last LG I'll ever buy I think

I've never used the PS5 Dual Sense, but the "gyro aiming" that can be achieved with the Nintendo Switch's JoyCon, such as when aiming in BOTW for very fine adjustments, is a ridiculously useful and fun experience. It's just such a shame the sticks stop working properly so quickly.

Things are so dire in MS news that every time PS does something we need an Xb article asking how Xbox fans feel about this, lol. Even as one of the only ponys that's such a true pony I actually ordered an Edge, I mean, I'm a rare breed even on Push it seems, lol, I don't have any illusions I'm not paying MORE for a controller that's LESS premium than my Elite V2. No metal sticks, no rubber grips, no metal triggers, no microswitch buttons like Razer controllers, it's a $200 plain old DS5 slightly improved. I'm quite certain I'll still like my Elite2 I paid less for more. BUT it does have the one advantage of replaceable analogs, which with the reports of Elite2 drift from many, may still mean the overpriced tarted up DS5 they call Edge will live longer than my prized Elite 2.

The battery is a joke no matter what on the Edge though from all reports. IDK how the biggest LI battery mfr on earth can consistently use the worst batteries in their own products.

@stvevan 2 paddles, not no paddles.

@Trmn8r It's not the touchpad, Dualshock4 (PS4 controller) had that. Dual refers to dual analog, shock (the old controllers were called dualshock since PS1) refers to rumble (which was new back then), and the name change to dual "sense" from shock just refers to the haptics (what Nintendo called "HD Rumble"), just an improved rumble with more refined sensations, and the adaptive triggers which apply resistance on the triggers, what PC joysticks used to call "force feedback" except only on the triggers.

The touchpad is utterly pointless in anything but FFXIV which honestly shouldn't even be on consoles, the UI just expects a mouse and keyboard. The speaker is pointless. The adaptive triggers are occasionally cool (returnal where it has a tactile half and full pull difference) and usually annoying and arthritis causing (spiderman.) the haptics area great, improved rumble is always a plus. And I'm still infuriated at Microsoft for not putting gyros in their controller 3 generations late to the party. I thought for sure XSXS would have it, and MS is now responsible from holding the whole shooter industry back from gyro aiming.

Edit: I mean we can predict it already, a month from now PSVR2 launches and PureXbox will have its 1-4 articles about how MS should be responding in the VR space, lol.

@Kaloudz DS5 vs XSXS controller: worse ergonomics, IMO (YMMV), higher stick tension, shorter sticks, microphone, speaker, gyroscope, LIGHTS!!1, track pad (mostly used as gimmick, usually used as "click for map", useful in games that support it and have a mouse based UI like planet coaster and ffxiv mmo though), motorized triggers to offer resistance or detents, advanced haptic rumble.

Edge vs regular DS5: Adjustable trigger travel distance, replaceable sticks, custom mapping/profiles with profile quick swap buttons to change between 4, long braided cable with lock, case, "more premium" build (?) with rounded rather than angled grip ends and more "grip" molded into the plastic on triggers and grips, changeable stick caps (stock and short and tall convex caps), 2 rear mappable paddles, $130...

Elite v2 vs stock XSXS: Metal stick shafts, metal bumpers and triggers, long braided cable, case with built in charging cradle(!), adjustable stick tension. custom profile mappings and quick change between 3, adjustable trigger travel distance, rubber grips, swappable stick caps between short, tall, convex or "360 style wide") 4 rear mappable paddles. $90

Difference between elite v2 and edge: Edge has replaceable sticks, elite has adjustable stick tension, elite has charging cradle in case, elite has rubber grips and metal sticks/bumpers/triggers, edge has the normal DS5 features Xbox doesn't, Elite has 2 more rear paddles, $50.

give it time the dual sense edge will have snapped springs and stick drift like other ps controllers

@trev666 The sticks are replaceable, it's one main advantage, so that's less of an issue than any other controller. The snapped trigger springs/stripped worm gears are a massive concern though.

High end controllers aren't really something I ever consider. I just need a comfortable and functional controller and the x/s controller is great. There are much better ways to spend $200 in gaming.

All the Elite 3 needs is far better quality control. I love the Elite 2 Controller but it's too unreliable.

While stores may allow returns within the first 30 days, any faults after this are subject to Microsofts useless and frustrating repair policy.

I found the controller too stressful to use as my mind was more on when is it going to break again rather than the actual game.

@NEStalgia yes sticks are replaceable are expensive considering the post of the actual parts. and them being replaceable basically admits they are a problem

the cost of these controllers should use hall effect sensors so they dont drift

Not really interested in either. Basic controllers should be good enough for regular usage.

@Titntin
Well if Sony decides to put 4 HDMI 2:1 sockets in their A80K model for a start then we might be talking.
Also looks like it’s not happening this year again.
If they also stopped making us have compromises on certain features like you can’t Dolby vision and VRR etc at the same time. Then I might consider a Sony.
I tested the A80K over the LG C2 and the picture near on the same and smoothness hard to decide the difference with the correct settings on both TVs.
Also LG C2 had no silly Sony compromises and 4 full HDMI 2:1 ports. Sony are just cutting back to save on cost or more profit.
That’s one reason they now sit lower than third in the tv market.

Now don’t get me wrong I was a massive Sony only TV and 4K blu ray player fan boy.
But since a few years ago when we had the whole comprise on Dolby Vision low latency and auto Dolby Vision switching not on Sony 4K blu ray players I started looking elsewhere.
It’s a market ploy to get you to buy the Sony tv and Sony 4K blu ray tactic. They are a clever bunch at that until you start looking elsewhere and realise all this.

@trev666 Agree definitely. I'm still hoping they release a hall effect module for it later. They refused to comment when The Verge asked. Makes me think a yes is more likely then a no.

@Kaloudz wow seriously? That's pretty cool!

Personally I just prefer the ergonomics of the Xbox controllers by a decent margin, and I really appreciate the premium feel and long life battery and charger of the elite 2. But the ds5 is the first Sony controller I don't hate the ergonomics of, largely because they incorporated a lot of Xbox ergonomics in it. I don't love the adaptive trigger gimmick, depending on the game it can be annoying or painful. But enhanced rumble is nice. And I do think Microsoft being the only one without gyro is a very poor decision on their part. But most games don't use it. But that's mostly because Xbox can't, I think. Even Bethesda was a big supporter of it pre buyout. I'm sure the next xb controller will have it because Id is probably pushing on it, but that's 4 gen late.

Well see Thursday if I regret trying the Edge though 😂

@Kaloudz you know,....its a sense....but dual!!!!

I am content with a bog standard Xbox controller thank you.

For me and the way I play games all the extra dodads would me pointless for me and certainly not worth paying the asking price for any of them.

This right here is why I'm pulling for Sony and Microsoft to both kill it this gen. Competition breeds innovation and better outcomes for gamers. I'm not a pro controller guy for either console, but I'd love to see more of this. I'd also love for an Xbox controller with the unique rumble of the Dualsense — there's nothing quite like it.

@BRT15 Meanwhile I have no idea how people play without buttons on the bottom of the controller. Nothing more announcing than taking you're thumb off the stick to press a face button only need to use the stick again.

Even in games like Forza, if I am using the controller, let's me shift with the stick the same time as pressing the brake. And that alone is worth it. Let alone all the benefits in shooters or even action games.

I wouldn't even complain if they just did away with ABX and Y on the top. I literally never use them now.

@ZYDIO That gets confusing because the standard mono controller is the Dual Sense, but the dual controllers for PSVR2 are just called the Sense......

@Kaloudz That's pretty surreal to find myself mentioned on a totally separate forum. Whoever you are "fejer", much appreciated!

Gyros, the short of it is "motion controls". There are some people that don't like them, but generally for shooters, and such it brings the controller much closer to mouse input with freeform aiming rather than trying to align X-Y axis controls on a self-centering stick. It's the reason Splatoon is the first online shooter I've really gotten into since Quake on PC back in the day. It's the only one without aim-assist, it's true aiming like normal mouse play.

The Switch and PS4/5 versions of the Wolfenstein and Doom games support gyro aiming, so it's an especially bad look for Xbox that their own studio has superior controlling versions of their games on competing platforms because Xbox lacks the hardware to do it. TBH I just assumed the XSXS controllers would have gyros so I was just shocked that they didn't do that. If they'd bought Zenimax before finalizing the controller it absolutely would have had them, but....PS and Nintendo have had Gyros since WiiS360....ok, Nintendo had linear motion sensors and only added Gyros late in the Wii era on the Wii Motion Plus accessory (required for Skyward Sword) But Nintendo had infrared pointer aiming at the time as well so it wasn't as important for Wii aiming. Even 3DS had gyros. IDK how Xbox missed that trick for the 3rd generation now.

For a shooter, generally the way it works is you still use the right stick to control the broad movements of the camera like snapping 90 degrees right, or looking at the second floor, but then you tilt the controller around to refine the aiming quickly and precisely without that incremental stick nudging that's so imprecise. The stick is why console shooters all have some degree of aim assist, and PC shooters with mouse do not. Gyro gives you fast precise aiming without the need for an assist.

It's seriously hard to play shooters without it. I tried to go from Splatoon to Halo back to back.....Halo felt like a PS2 game by comparison. It doesn't help that my Halo 1 play was on PC with a mouse, so it all feels so prehistoric.

But the thing is very few shooters even on PS use the gyro for aiming. First party games have been starting to, but only in the PS5 era, and Bethesda was basically the only studio taking it seriously. Sony itself didn't even embrace it in the PS4 era. Third parties don't embrace it because Xbox doesn't support it anyway so why bother on one platform? It's been mostly Switch that's embraced it. I think this gen PS versions of games may start using it more, ironically spurred on by Betehsda, which was mostly spurred on by Switch. And then Xbox becomes the worst place to play shooters Unless they release a new controller with gyros. Which sucks but is an option. After all they've released "S" controllers before, added Bluetooth later on, etc, so it's normal for them to rerelease controllers mid-gen.

@Trmn8r i agree with you that it’s the Xbox controller that best suits my gaming play style. I have bought all 3rd party games on Xbox due to liking the controller better. I hated the PS3 and PS4 controllers, but the more i use my PS5, the more i am liking the controller, not sure i am willing to leave behind the Series controller tho. I would like to see the Elite 3 be a little bigger in hand, slightly heavier as i like that weigh in hand when gaming and of course reliability is key. If they nail that all at $200 or less i am in. I looked at Scuf Xbox controllers and never pulled the trigger on buying one, but love the mouse click triggers. That is a must for me. Great post brother, you made greats points and i agree.

@Rmg0731 Different teams, but i agree 100%

@Titntin i am glad you mentioned the clicky noise level of the Xbox Controller, don’t get me wrong it’s on purpose. They want it to have sound feedback like a mouse and keyboard. But it’s dumb to me and does at times feel cheap. I never liked PS2-PS4 controllers, never felt good in my hands. PS5 does, i mean i don’t like the stick placements, or their bumpers or triggers. But the button are quiet and feel nice to the touch. Xbox remains for my hands the most comfy to hold for hours, and i like it’s battery life when my recharge kit. I would like to see the Elite 3 be a touch bigger, quieter, and have some features that bring it more in line with dual sense. Not sure we see all that. But you made some great points as always, even tho i know controllers are a subjective topic. Hands aren’t the same and neither are peoples play styles and that plays a big role in what does or doesn’t work for a person.

@Titntin i am so on the fence if i stick with my LG c1 and get another LG Oled in the future or return back to Sony TV’s, i was always a Sony TV guy, but would like to see 4 HDMI 2.1’s to go with their leading class picture processing. Still have a Sony in the bedroom and love it. Well minus the remote, they could really do with better remotes, i know this isn’t a TV topic, but i agree they makes great set’s and just wish they would up the ports and be a little more gamer minded with their TV’s, but they are a little more built with cinema in mind and that’s understandable.

@NEStalgia i agree with a lot of what you said and i would just like to add that the Dual sense triggers for me have to much travel distance, when pulled all the way down my hands and fingers don’t feel engaged to the rest of the controller nor nearly and comfy as on Xbox controllers. Triggers and off set sticks are really to me the Xbox controllers mojo it holds on me as to why i game there so much. By the way i am dying to know your take on DS Edge when you do a little play time on it. Me and you are like twins as to our Xbox and Dual sense controller reviews. Please include me on everything and anything Edge once you have your final take on it.

@Kaloudz If gyros don't come to Xbox by next generation I will eat both my Elite V1s It defies logic they somehow skipped it this gen, there's no way they'll skip another. Will it come this gen? I'm hoping, honestly. It's not just holding back Xbox, it's holding back 3rd party games on PS, too. We probably would have had industry standard gyro aiming in shooters last gen if MS had just added it to X1. When Doom Eternal is better at 240p on Switch than in 4k on Xbox because the control is better, something is wrong!

I don't love the idea of selling us a controller that properly plays games after they already sold us the controller with the system, but, they've done it before with the Duke down to the S, and then the re-tooled X1 controllers that adjusted the size and added PC BT compatibility.

And while Sony fans would pile on Xbox for selling the Sony clone controller after selling you the console, those same Sony fans are probably not old enough Sony fans to remember when we were sold the vaunted Six-Axis because Sony was busy suing Immersion and didn't sell us the DualShock3 until after the six hundred ninety nine dollar console....or the PS1 controller when Sony sold us the Dual Shock after they decided N64's thumbstick was awesome and they didn't have one in the box..... so it wouldn't be an industry first to sell the "proper" controller later on for either of them. Heck the above mentioned Wii Motion Plus released like Year 6 of the Wii to deliver the Wiimote that should have been in the box day 1 but was "too expensive."

@Green-Bandit don't worry I'll definitely be sharing thoughts here/Push when I get hands on the Edge. I don't get the impression many of even the vocal ponies are actually buying one There's an irony to people calling me an xb fanboy, and then I out-pony them all in the end

@NEStalgia 🤯 I guess they didn't think ahead on that one.

@NEStalgia Gotcha on the Dualsense name. Some of those features would be nice additions. But most are not needed for me as a multiplayer FPS player (Vibrate is turned off). But maybe for Single player games it could be nice.

@Trmn8r For sure most of it doesnt matter online. Though voice players without a headset might like the built in mic. Audio quality probably sucks for their teammates though. Personally, gyros are essential for shooters for me. I think that helped Splatoon really hit it unexpectedly big. I bet destiny 2 picks up gyro support now that Sony owns Bungie. And I bet Phil will play it on PS5 lol (seriously the guy needs to go PC for everyone's own good )

@ZYDIO Last generation that was understandable. Missing gyros 2 generations in when even phone games use them reminds me of the time Bill Gates said the Internet was just a fad 😆

They need haptic feedback, for sure. To say the least.

@NEStalgia definitely tag me in those edge postings, want to know what you think. Yeah man Sony fan boys are some of the worse I’ve ever seen. Not to say any of the consoles fan boys are good. But cause Sony does make good games and has the hardware sales to back that, it’s so easy to pull for Sony and look like a “winner” when in reality Sony is my Exclusives machine and I probably support it as well or better than half of them online screaming Xbox has no games and Sony is King. It’s all nonsense at the end of the day. But is there a small part of me that is petty and want to see Xbox eat some of Sony’s lunch to even up the market? Absolutely, cause it quiets them up some and at the same time keeps Sony on their toes and makes for better experiences for us dual console owners. MS is close to turning the corner, it takes time to turn around a failed generation of a console like the One. But with GP and some killer games, i think in the next 24 months, we will be seeing a much better, stronger and hopefully smarter Xbox.if not and you say the Edge is the best controller you have ever touched, then i will lean on my PS5 heavier.

Am I the only one sitting here satisfied with the Xbox controller and how gimmick free it is? Do we really need to be chasing after someone else's gimmick? I always preferred the pulse triggers anyways, gives me feedback while still allowing me to have consistent full trigger movement.

@MrMCG8434 Well technically vibration counts as haptic feedback, as that's what you will encounter on phones/smart devices for example when they talk about "haptic" features. It's really just any feedback that you can feel in your hands at the end of the day. I say this because Xbox has had pulse feedback triggers since the Xbox One launched.

I can't fault the elite series 2 , I know a lot had problems but I love mine I can't go back to using a normal Xbox controller now it feels like a toy in my hands

The thing is about the ps edge ,its just come out and a lot of reviews are saying they are only getting 4 1/2 to 5 hours per charge ,what it's gonna be like after 6 months of use ?????? Luckily my elite goes for days when I'm gaming heavy and it's nearly 2 years old

I'll wait till later down the line for a really big price drop and see how the battery goes before I decide to purchase

xbox having offset joysticks makes it far better than the sense. whats the point of all the bells and whistles if your hands cramp up over extended play because of antiquated design flaw from the 90s .

@Green-Bandit I will! . Yeah I have that same scenario. I have a lot of criticism about Sony which some want to interpret as hating the brand and being an xb fanboy or funnier, going by My avatar a Nintendo fanboy (while I'm rarely on NL these days) and I can almost guarantee I'm sitting on more PS hardware than any of them! 3 freaking Viti lol. And almost all of them are complaining about the edge controller I'm hyped about while I also have vr2 on order. 🙄.

I'm honestly keeping my expectations in check. Push unboxing said it feels the same as ds5 basically. Kotaku review gushes over how premium the build is. Who knows. 2 more sleeps. I'm realistically expecting a tarted up ds5 with better textured plastic at grip points, the customization, 2 paddles, and an insulting battery. I'm not expecting to feel like I have a 200 controller in my hands, I'm just hoping I feel like I have a $125 controller in my hand I paid some scalper called "J.R." too much money for.

@fizban3332 fwiw I've found that the size and angle of the grips affect the cramping from the controller more than the offset sticks themselves. I still prefer offset, however I hated the ds3 and ds4 so much for that very reason and searched for a good offset controller for PS4. Ended up with a wired Razer that was still parallel sticks but with the bigger grips it was comfortable and I never minded playing with it. Fast forward to ds5 and the bigger size means I don't hate it and find it reasonably comfortable to play with for long periods and it can mostly disappear in my hands. Not as ergonomically ideal as the xb controllers but really not bad. It surprised me that the parallel sticks themselves aren't as huge a problem as I thought, it's the grips and forced angle that makes them do bad on the older controllers.

@Kaloudz It's so true "I'm 19 and know everything that ever happened in the world and I don't know why Shakespeare didn't just use autocorrect"

Lol I'm not sure the elite v1 rubber grips won't be too disintegrated to eat by next gen though....

@NEStalgia well price alone none of these pro controllers are a steal. But i do appreciate them and want one or two of them at some point. I am waiting for Elite 3 and more reviews and a hands on Edge to decide. I know what you mean while PS3-PS5 have been merely an exclusives machine for me. I have owned them all and logged many many hours into PS, for being label and somewhat rightfully so a Xbox first guy. I haven’t been shy in saying i like xbox UI and controller better than PS’s. That said, i like the PS5 way more than PS3 and PS4, still hoping for some more shooters and new IP’s as outside of God of War and Last of Us i am worn out on most of their IP’s or in death stranding and Returnal’s case i could care less. I know once i read and of course comment on your edge review, i will be 100% decided. Elite 3 needs to be a thing in the second half of 2023.for all the hate xbox controllers get for AA batteries and a separate purchase for rechargeable ones. The battery life in Sony’s built in is class leading in being junk and truthfully an east miss sight from Sony as it should be fully able to get half the battery life of Nintendo and Xbox. I can dang near exercise for as long as the dual sense and Dual Shock 4 stay charged and i am out of shape as my football day’s were 15 years ago. It’s bizarre to me what passes and what don’t and it’s 90% brand loyalty driven.

Elite 2 is perfect why xbox needs a Competitor for Dualsense Edge, coz the ps5 "elite" controller comes years after the elite 1......

the headline is understandable...

For that much money Elite controllers should include a 5+ year warrantee as standard, and be built to last.

Yet another fanboy article. XB does not have to have anything similar to PS5. There should be stuff that differentiates XB. To me that is MS first party games (when they ship), GamePass, Cross-device gaming support that MS provides through XB/PC/Cloud, the console operating system, and XB Live.

@Green-Bandit Yes mate - them mediatech chipsets which limit the HDMI ports are a pain. Only Samsung and LG don't use that chip set, everyone else is stuck with the limitations. I was thinking of an A95K, but the HDMI situation is what stopped me

@Green-Bandit Thanks for your reply - balanced and informative as ever. Yeah the haptics and feedback are great, but they eat the battery. On games where I've turned it off (its no use in some games and poor in others), battery life increases to the the kind of life I get from my Xbox charge packs. But its pointless having all them features and then telling you not to use them if you want decent battery life

I guess the only reason this doesn't annoy me much is that I have 4 PS5 controllers across two machines, so I always have a charged one on standby!

They don't need a new controller, they need new games.

@Dezzy70 Each to their own. I don't use physical media and don't use blurays, but I buy a TV to have the best possible picture quality, everything lese is secondary to this. I already have both a Xbox series X and PS5 attached to my old Sony (as well as a PS2 and PS3), so I'm not hugely bothered by connectivity issues and hung up on hdmi 2.1 ports. If I'm prepared to pay £3k for my telly based on PQ, then I can afford a 2.1 120hz switching unit if I have to (though I don't.)
I also cant stand LG's interface and the fact it advertises at me when I switch it on - much as I was skeptical of android TV - its head and shoulders above using my LG C1 for what I want and what I like.
I'll buy the best picture I can possibly get and that means I've had a lot of Sony TV's over the last 4 decades or so of buying my own telly, but I'm really not bothered if people want something else - its 'horses for courses' and all modern TV's produce excellent images

@Titntin
With any tv Sony or LG I don’t get the advertising stuff. The tv goes straight to my Sky Q
The reason for four HDMI 2:1 ports for me is Sony use one of those for earc which I use for sound, so it only leaves me one HDMI 2:1 left.
So with series x and PS5 you are stumped.
I don’t believe in buying a switcher the dam TV should have 4 HDMI 2:1 ports and it is poor of Sony not to have them.
You can surly see Sony are using cheaper old tech meditek controller chips which cannot handle 4 HDMI 2:1 ports to cut cost or make more profit.
And can’t handle Dolby Vision with full VRR.

Meditek released the new chip late last year the P1000 that can do it all, but the rumours are Sony cheap skates are not going with that chip this year. It’s 2023 Sony not 2019 when LG and Samsung managed it.

The reason LG and Samsung have done this for years and do updates quicker is they designed and use their own controller chip and don’t have to worry about a third party or double stage verification for updates.

@Dezzy70
"the dam TV should have 4 HDMI 2:1 ports and it is poor of Sony not to have them."
This applies to every single TV manufacturer except Samsung and LG. The fact you use it to follow your crusade to blame one manufacturer is pretty pathetic.
You also need to watch vincent more often - the new P1000 chip also cant handle four full bandwith hdmi's, despite expectations.

We don't see eye to eye and never will, I wont bother replying again.

@Titntin
I’m sure Vincent said it could, must of been a new video from Vincent then. That’s disappointing for a branded new chip.
I’m not singling out Sony if manufacturers one and two can do it so should Sony.
Also think Panasonic do 4 as well.
What is pathetic is your defence of Sony who are cheap skating as always like they have done for years.
And the reason the South Korean manufacturers came along and over time stole most of their tv sales and put them in their place.

I would rather have gyro control like Switch controllers than a glorified rumble. Gyro works so well first person shooters so seems crazy we don't have it given there's so many on Xbox.

@Titntin as for the Sony TV’s, they have the best Processors in the game. I love their designs, user interface destroys LG’s, tho i use an Apple TV to bypass LG’s mess of a OS. But i do use all 3 out of the 4 HDMI 2.1 ports and the 4th for Switch which don’t need it. You know, i think i will take your advice next time around and just buy a Switcher. I used to have one of those back in the PS3, 360 days and honestly kind of enjoyed it. It was a Sony made HDMI switcher and lasted forever. As for the Dual Sense battery life, i agree it’s Sony’s biggest area of improvement moving forward as even the DS4 had really bad battery life. Well buddy today is the day we learn more about some games coming to Xbox, hope they do well and you and others enjoy the show. I know all our opinions will be on here in a few short hours.

@Green-Bandit Thanks dude. Much as I've liked the Sony sets I've owned, I'm definitely a quality whore and will happily move to where the best picture is
I'll be watching the show eagerly myself. I've kept my expectations in check, so hopefully I'll be happy , and yes I'm sure we will all have our say here later!

@Titntin i know what you mean i like quality as well and am less brand loyal than others. Tho like many i have certain Brands i tend to go to first, if they don’t meet my wants and needs i go elsewhere, and for the record you and i are not saying we don’t enjoy our LG C1’s. Quite the opposite, for the money and what they deliver, it’s mostly an outstanding set. But the UI is a mess and picture quality and processing is still in Sony’s favor. This isn’t my take on the subject, it’s professional reviewers take and they do a great job at their job showing it off to the consumers. Yes we will be a vocal bunch today, i am hoping for good times and a time when Xbox had a nice showing. Sure not all of these games are the ones i most look forward to, but a little confidence in what they have been working on can settle the doubters some and give hope the other games to follow are being treated with the same care and detail. Can’t wait buddy 😊

@Green-Bandit Personally I have to say PS3 was my favorite PS. Actually Vita was my favorite PS but they killed it months in. But PS3 was a fun age of experimentation. It sucked for anything third party, and that's why I had 360, but it had a lot of unique stuff. PS5 is an Xbox but with some games you can't play on Xbox, and VR, which is, to be fair, a big differentiator.

I know what you mean about being burned out on a lot of their franchises though. I love Horizon and Ghost...Ratchet I love(d) but it's getting kind of stale without changes. Sackboy is one of the greatest platformers but MM is stuck in Dreams forever, Sumo is Tencent or Netease now, and it didn't sell great.... Marvel does nothing for me.... We'll see what we see I guess.

Returnal is kind of a shame. The game is beautiful, the gunplay is amazing, it has so much going for it to make it amazing. Except that it's a procedurally generated rogue. If you're not into rogues, it takes the thrill right off it. The base gameplay is amazing though. In some ways it's Sony's Halo Infinite. But it cost a lot less to make. Awesome gameplay tarnished by a garbage world design.

I still don't understand how Sony, the worlds biggest battery mfr can CONSISTENTLY fail on controller batteries, and fail HARDEST on their $200 premium controller, where even Nintendo's tiny fish stick controllers don't fail. It just makes no sense at all.

@Kaloudz LOL! I think the last 3 generations have scared me, and I think they've proven my fear justified for decades.....

I am not willing to buy an expensive controller, but if they made it silent, instead of the clickety clack that is the regular xbox controller, I would buy one in a hearbeat (ok, not really, as it will probably cost a ton and I'm not made of money).

@NEStalgia i agree the PS3 was fun for its exclusives and they tried to be more PS than just a PC in box like PS4 PS5 and Xbox. I truly loved Motorstorm and Little Big Planet, Resistance and countless others that Sony these days won’t fund and make cause they can’t turn them into a movie or Tv series. I could look past the cell being hard on devs and third party running better on Xbox 360, k could look past the online being no where near xbox live. I could look past the weird baby in a room commercials, the price and the quote to get 2 jobs to buy a PS3, all that i could overlook, but the one thing i couldn’t overlook was a $599.99 console launching with a controller that was light as a feather without rumble motors, and just the size and feel of the Dual Shock 3. Granted it was even harder to use the DS3 when the 360 had such a comfy controller. The tilt function it had was awful and felt tacked on at the last min when they knew they weren’t settling their lawsuit. Only to tell players the rumble would interfere with the movement of the Six axis. Look if you want to call me a controller snob, you’d be right and i would admit it. I love great controllers. Wavebird is still my friend. As for the games Sony is making these day’s, i agree Returnal should have been non Rouge. I understand Rouge’s are popular and that was what they intended it to be and thats fine, but i love that developer team, but the genre rouge turned me off instantly, and i like hard games so it’s not cause i can’t handle a good challenge. Sony just has a lot of games that to me or either long in the tooth like Uncharted, or Marvel which don’t interest me, so PS5 has me excited they are going to try and branch out and make some different genres again after showing they can make great action adventure games with the PS4. I to this day can’t figure out why they have such bad battery life in the PS4 and PS5 controllers, i mean if they were a few hours off from NIntendo and Xbox, i wouldn’t even mention it, but it is way way low in the industry, if not the worst in the industry meaning including all 3rd party controllers as well. This is a area sony needs to improve, cause i have the H7 in zone headsets from sony and they last close to 40 hours. I love those things.

I had the peeling rubber issue with the 1st Elite. The 2nd one has held up quite nice. I like the heft and feel of the Elite over conventional, but I don't use the paddles. Picked up a custom Elite 2 for Xmas. The battery life is definitely a plus. Really missing the share button though.

My current PS5 controller is already drifting and I don't play much on PS, so that is a disappointment. It is nice to see Sony finally update the shape of their controllers, but 'm not upgrading to the Edge due to the ridiculous price.

@Kaloudz mummy? Lol!