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BAMozzy

Destiny - a shared online, 'open world' game is not that bad as a solo gamer and really the next step from a game like Borderlands. Perfect Dark could sit somewhere between the two and doesn't mean that it will ultimately be a 'bad decision'. It may well be better than a very linear FPS story like PDZ was. Having other players in the same game instance doesn't need to ruin your own enjoyment or impact on what you are doing, what you want to do etc. I spent 'thousands' of hours on Destiny playing Solo, achieving what I wanted, what I needed etc and others had NO impact on my enjoyment - couldn't take my loot/weapons etc.

I think some people see 'Online' and instantly think that it will have young kids shouting obscenities, going out of their way to spoil your game, your fun, grabbing things you want/need before you can get there etc but it doesn't have to be that way. It could be more like Borderlands where you can play the game co-operatively and at most, just have a 'social' hub. I don't write of any game just because it maybe 'Online' only and certainly not if the story, game-play etc interests me. Forza Horizon can be a shared world too...

See what it is and how they choose to implement any online options before criticising the choices of the dev team.

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BlueOcean

We have heard rumours about Fable, Forza Motorsport and Perfect Dark. Xbox needs Banjo-Kazooie and Viva Piñata too.

BlueOcean

gingataisen

@BAMozzy
No, I see 'Online' and instantly realize that the game now has an expiration date. Once those servers shut down, it's game over. This modern aversion to offline-only games is something I'll never fully understand. We did just fine with it for decades. Why is it so wrong now? 😟

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BAMozzy

@gingataisen 'Online' does not necessarily mean the game has an expiration date at all - especially less so with MS who seem keen to preserve games. The most likely way an 'online' game expires is more likely to be from a lack of people playing more than the servers not being active.

Again though, it depends on the way online is implemented and what modes etc use online. Its entirely possible that the game could be played 'offline' with couch co-op/MP or even a 'bot' mode version. Online 'adds' something that offline-only games of the past couldn't offer. It doesn't necessarily take anything away from those old games and instead of having to have 'friends/family' come round to sit around a small screen TV and see just a small corner of that screen to play, you can play with anyone, anytime from anywhere in the world.

That attitude to me is like saying why do we need HD or 4k when we had SD for years before? Why do we need surround sound when Stereo was good enough for years. Its not as if Offline gaming has completely disappeared at all but that Online offers something 'new', something 'different' and/or something 'more' than was possible before. It doesn't have to be 'bad' or even worse - it can be more fun, more interesting, more unique and often better than having some 'AI' partners. Sharing a game experience, playing and working together with friends to complete missions etc can be a lot more fun than just playing Solo and online doesn't 'just' mean competitive gaming. Arcades had 2p options - even if it meant having to take turns and had 'couch co-op' type games too that you could play together - Gauntlet for example. Online removes the need to have 2 (or more) people in the same room.

All you have to do is look at Xbox Backwards Compatibility (and/or PC gaming) to see that games can have a LONG shelf life with online functionality - you can still play games like Halo, Star Wars Battlefront (the originals) etc online today. There is a lot more chance that this games will have a longer shelf life than a lot of 'single player' games - especially those sports type games (inc racing sims) because they are replaced 'regularly' with newer versions. Do people still want to play games like the Division or Destiny now when there is a sequel? Will they still be wanting to play in 10yrs time or more even if the servers are on? Will you still want to play 10yr+ old games you already played when you have a backlog of new games on newer hardware? Maybe some - maybe some will also be remastered or updated too. I don't see it being too much of an issue - as long as I get my enjoyment and time out of it when it was new. After over 2000 hours in Destiny, I don't know that I want to replay it in 10yrs time and certain activities (like MP, strikes and raids) could be 'dead' before the servers get turned off because no one else is playing but it could last longer than trying to play those activities on you own 'offline' when none of your friends/family want to play. You could still do ALL the campaign missions, run around the world killing enemies in free roam etc - even if you never see another 'human' controlled character.

I think Online has its place and I for 1 am happy that 'some' games are 'Online' - even 'online only' - as they offered something different to offline only games and its better to have variety and different experiences than the same old thing rehashed in a different setting, different characters etc. There are options for those that want 'solo' offline experiences as well as more social gaming experiences too - some that offer both in one package. Gears of War can be played entirely solo but take away offline, and you could struggle to find someone that may want to play the campaign co-operatively or any of the MP modes (not all competitive modes as Horde is a co-operative mode).

There is NOTHING wrong with offline gaming either and there is still a LOT of games - more games in fact that can be played (or at least have an offline/solo campaign). Point is, there is 'choice' and I wouldn't write off any game because its 'online' or even 'online only' because those games can be as much fun, if not more fun because you are playing with friends...

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Grumblevolcano

Open world bothers me a lot more about the rumours. Ever since BotW was a gigantic success, everything seems to becoming [insert franchise]'s take on BotW and it's gotten dull fast.

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BrilliantBill

Hey everyone. Considering a price range of 500$/euro and the launch list of games we currently know about. How likely are you to pick up Series X on launch day ?
And I mean specifically launch day. Not like the first 3-6 month or so.

BrilliantBill

Justifier

@BrilliantBill
I'll believe that the price is something like 500-550€, and I will most likely get one on launch day (90% chance). Only lauch game I need is Halo.

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ShaiHulud

@BrilliantBill I'd spend £500 without thinking twice, anything higher and I might have to think twice! The fact that you can play games from this gen in an optimised way means I'm not even that bothered about the launch games.

ShaiHulud

BAMozzy

At £500, I will be looking to buy at launch. The only thing that may stop that is the PS5, its launch line up, price etc but whichever console I get at launch, I will be looking to pick up the other as soon as I can after. At the moment, the Series X certainly looks to be the console I will get Day 1 and it would take something exceptional from Sony to convince me to buy the PS5...

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BrilliantBill

One major trouble with showing games for Series X (and also PS5) is that one their biggest advantages is having almost no loading times. And you just can't show that in a trailer. SX supporting frame rates up to 120fps is similarly challenging to actually show. Also for all the hype Sony makes for its Tempest audio engine and haptic triggers on controller, these features also can't be shown without going hands on with console. Within a compressed 1080p livestream on YT all we can see is dramatically better graphics and I don't know if we see that anytime soon.

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Tasuki

Do we have a price for this thing yet?? I am thinking of putting some money aside for this but not quite sure how much it will be.

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MaccaMUFC

@Tasuki It’s most likely we won’t know the price until a lot closer to launch but I’d be very surprised if it was under 500 and shocked if over 550 so I’d aim to save up at least 500 tbh.

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BAMozzy

a breakdown of what Nanite and Lumens offer, how it compares to current methods etc. Also could save Devs a lot of time when making their games...

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FullbringIchigo

OK so i don't have access to my XB1 right now but i noticed while on the PS4 store that LEGO The Hobbit had been re-released (it even gives this month as it's release date)

now it was pulled from digital stores because of licencing issues just like Duck Tales Remastered but and again just like Duck Tales it's now back and just dropped on the store without a by or leave

anyway i find the entire situation odd, does anyone else?

and also can someone please check if it's back on the XB Store too

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BAMozzy

@BlueOcean I really don't think anyone would be surprised that Unreal 5, a game engine expected to be used by many developers - inc numerous first party Xbox developers wouldn't work on anything other than PS5.

The question though is more how well that PS5 demo would run on Series X IF they were to port it over. Would it run equally as well? would it run better? would they need to change something - the Asset size for example to work as well or would we see some 'issues' because the Series X can't stream as much Data as quickly.

Some things could well be 'better' on Series X - Lumen for example as the SeX has more Cores/Shaders than PS5 so can allocate more resources to processing, de-noising or more 'rays' to calculate the bounce lighting. It may have a 'better' resolution - not drop below 1440p at times etc but maybe some of the statues in that room may need to be 'scaled' down to stream in that many as quickly, that flying sequence may have some pop-in as a lower quality asset is swapped out for a higher quality at a certain distance because it can't stream in ALL the high quality versions as quick - who knows?

I have NO doubt that the Demo 'could' run on Series X but how well it can, without ANY changes, we don't know. However, Unreal5 will be on Xbox - inc last gen too....

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