Horizon Forbidden West's Upgrade Path Has PS5 Buyers Wishing For Xbox's Smart Delivery

Genuinely didn't care much for the first one (my impression of sony fans to Xbox games) but really, Playstation is being silly. Just silly. Silly PlayStation

It has always surprised me why Sony did not go the smart delivery way.
But looking it at it now it’s so Sony have full control with no fuss over PS4/PS5 cost systems and one being £70/PS5.
It’s better if you want to run your business that way Sony are to keep the separation that is there, it is easier to manage and implement as a business.
The way Xbox run their more generous for the customer business model and the game pass model, totally suits smart delivery and better cloud saves.
I know what one I prefer has I have game pass and smart delivery and cloud saves make it all so simple to use.

Microsoft deserve far more credit than they get.
But getting all the good features etc, out to the general public and making them aware is a tough one.
I think this generation will be slowly slowly catch a monkey if Sony keep this attitude up.

I admittedly was one of those that had a joke or 2 about smart delivery when it was initially revealed. Honestly figured all companies would go down the same route so didn't think it was more than a buzzword. While this particular case won't effect us personally, it's plain to see in hindsight MS had the right idea all along!

While we are at it Sony
Where is you PS5 VRR, ALLM and 120hz Dolby vision update and also for your new 2021 OLED TVs.
I know it’s extreme but I have ditched every Sony product in my house.
My TV is now and LG C1, my sound bar Samsung q950t. Even me Sony alarm clock went.
Their customer care and awareness is diabolical.
I refuse ever to spend another pound on a Sony product. They have let me down AV wise year on year and this year was the last straw.

I think when Sony said ‘we believe in generations’ they were only talking about how much to charge their simps.

I laugh over on the other site about things like this, but it’s really really sad to see so many people defending Sony when it comes to their practices. While Xbox do literally the same thing for no extra cost. Smart delivery has been great.

@Residentsteve01 Yes, a lot more work goes into PlayStation exclusives. Games like Flight Simulator are a piece of cake. Devs probably coded it in a day.

@Residentsteve01 So, because Microsoft took the time to consider cross-generation support and streamlined the development process to make development easier across it's platforms, Sony should push the extra cost to consumers because it didn't?

The way I see it, Sony is afraid of increasing the price of 70 across the board and instead pulls these stupid moves so they can charge $70 to PS5 users while “only” charging $60 to PS4 users.

I guess they afraid the kind of player that does not seek to upgrade their console immediately might also be a bit more budget conscious and are terrified of the impact on their bottom line if every potential user is forced to pay for the price hike.

In short: “we have a product for those that can’t afford the increased PS5 game price tags, it’s called PS4”

@FriendlyOctopus completely agree, bought it and got the plat but didn't care for the game at all. And thinking about how to buy the new one is proving difficult enough to begin with lol.

@Residentsteve01 omg 🤣

@Residentsteve01 I think that's the general opinion actually, even when they manage to finish a game it's wack.

@Residentsteve01 while I don’t agree not as much work goes into Xbox games, you’re right about 343. 10 years of failure. Time to change management or give Halo to someone else.

Anyway Smart Delivery 👍🏻‘s

@Residentsteve01 I don't buy Nintendo's re-releases either and I agree with you. I have only made one exception in the Switch era: Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition, but that's only because I never actually had the original game and getting the original Wii version is bloody expensive!

I very very rarely double dip. I have to really love a game to double dip for whatever reason.

I do understand Nintendo's stance between Wii U and Switch re-releases though, Wii U sold 13 million units, and the Switch is like...what 80+ million? Nintendo probably wanted to re-release games to recoup original development costs.

It still sucks, don't get me wrong, and I certainly won't rebuy the games I already played, but the games are reaching a new audience all together this time around (minus Skyward Sword HD as the Wii had a huge userbase).

Heck, Metroid Dread is probably the first Switch game I am buying in probably over a year!

As a PS5 owner, this doesn't bother me.
But I feel for all those people stuck on PS4 who can't get their hands on a PS5 who now are expected to pay £80 for the 'Dual Entitlement' version, or simply buy the PS5 version at full price later down the line.

Getting major PS3 vibes from Sony this gen.
Hate to see it.

I don't have a PS this gen, if Sony released something similar to the Series S I would snap one up in a heartbeat to play the few exclusives I'm interested in.

If Sony feel like the £10 price increase in PS5 games is warrented for the extra graphical fidelity and probably dual sense haptics then so be it, I understand.

I don't see people screaming out for a "free" upgrade as then there's no point in having 2 different prices for your games. What I can't understand is that with this they seem to be punishing people who can't get their hands on or afford a PS5 at the moment because there is no upgrade path.

If they said they were going to charge £10 to upgrade to the PS5 version there would be no issue but the case is if you haven't got a PS5 yet but plan on getting one you have to pay £10 more than someone lucky enough to already own one.

Smart Delivery works and works well.

Playstation needs to catch up with the current times.. Xbox smart delivery makes them look so bad

@Bmartin001
So does VRR, ALLM and Dolby Vision 120hz.
Not the on their Console and 2021 OLED TVs.

As far as I know this isn’t the first time Sony has done this. Games like Ghost of Tsushima and Death Stranding you have to buy the “Director’s cut” to get the upgrade. At first I thought “smart delivery” was just a marketing gimmick, but I hugely underestimated how good and clever it was of Microsoft.

I got series x and ps5 at launch and this kind of thing just makes me wait for a deep sale or get it free on ps+. With an xbox and switch the wait is easy as I have plenty of awesome games to play.

It's little things like this that may not seem like a big deal when they happen but will add up over time. Whoever is calling the shots at the PlayStation division needs to start re-thinking some of these decisions.

Does make me wonder if they could have launched late 2021, but decided against the busy holiday period and settled for a better bet with February 2022.
Also they sell every PS5 they can make so there is no rush.

As time goes on, Xbox proves over and over again that it is listening to consumers. No console is perfect, but Sony seems to keep making one strange decision after another. I can’t wait for November so I can get my hands on the halo series x..

Sony have acted really badly here. MS charm offensive gains so much momentum just because how offensive Sony have become.

MS need some exclusives like HDZ to really ram home the point though. Not all of us are into a plane simulator as “complex” as it might be to code or not.

The gap between MS and Sony should be reversed by the end of this gen (sales) if Sony carry on like they are.

@Widey85 no coz I’m not a massive fanboy that cares about what DF says about one plastic box over another so no id get no joy in learning one of the plastic boxes has issues.

Tbh this is the only feature i wish my ps5 had from the series S/X

But I suppose it stops people from buying the cheaper version (PS4) to play the more expensive version (ps5)

At the moment people are buying ps4 physical copies for £35-£40 and get the ps5 version for free instead of paying £60-£70 off the store and that's what I believe sony are trying to cut out, but it's those who genuinely have the ps4 version and then get a ps5 I feel sorry for.

And then there's those who also rent ps4 games and will basically get the ps5 versions of games for free.

EA, Sony and Activision can see how much money they will be losing and have put things in place to counter it

@Residentsteve01 “ Xbox just have a lot of smaller games to Chuck on gamepass imo”

I’m going to list upcoming Xbox 1st party games. I’m just curious which ones you consider the “smaller” games. Halo, Forza Horizon 5, Forza Motorsport, Hellblade 2, Starfield, Indiana Jones, State of Decay 3, Perfect Dark, Avowed, Outer Worlds 2, Gears 6, Wolfenstein 3.

@oconnoclast To be fair, the "Buy one license, own all versions" has actually been the traditional model for PlayStation systems for numerous years until recently. Sony called it "Cross-Buy"; buy the game once and get access to the PS3, Vita and PS4 versions with no extra charge. Naturally, Sony dropped support for the PS3 and Vita over time, so most developers started to release their games only on PS4. Now that there's a second PlayStation system, the fact that Sony hasn't gone back to Cross-Buy where you buy the game once and get access to the PS4 and PS5 versions with no extra charge speaks volume at how much they've changed during the past decade. I know that there are certain titles that offer that, such as The Pathless, but the fact remains that Sony isn't encouraging more developers to do that and help set a standard like Microsoft is doing with Smart Delivery. It doesn't help either that consumers are just willing to let publishers walk all over them.

@oconnoclast while I find this thread to be largely needless and console tribalistic. And for the most part I agree with you; I disagree with the core idea of what constitutes different versions. A good chunk of remasters are simply performance/visual patches. That’s what the were in the console space for the longest time. For instance Skyward Sword, yes there are a few QOL changes but the basic game is largely the same with very little content changes. That’s the most recent example but there are others like GTA, Crisis, etc.

But things are changing as you said the console space is more divided than ever about licenses and remasters are starting to tow the line between remakes.

@oconnoclast Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time, Ratchet & Clank Q-Force/Full Frontal Assault and as you mentioned PlayStation All-Stars.

The reason there weren't more is because of the circumstances at the time. Cross-Buy was introduced as the PS3 was on its way out, not to mention that Sony decided to drop support for Vita almost immediately after its launch. Furthermore, I think it would've been hard to port PS4 titles like inFAMOUS: Second Son to the Vita. Therefore, you didn't see much support from Sony themselves. However, they still encouraged other developers to utilise this feature.

Also, look at the circumstances now compared to before. Sony was all in on developing next-gen only titles for PS4 as the PS3 was on its way out. While now, they're all in on developing cross-gen titles. In other words, Cross-Buy would be more fitting now than it was back then because Sony is actually developing the same games on two systems, something that wasn't the case during the PS3/PS4 transition. They have the chance to bring back Cross-Buy in full force now and regain trust from consumers but they aren't willing to do that. I mean, they even had "Cross-Buy" titles last year with Miles Morales and Sackboy but only because those were "launch" titles. Why would they suddenly stop now?

I've been an avid PlayStation gamer since 2012 and trust me when I say this, Sony has most definitely changed in the past decade. How they went from heavily marketing Cross-Buy as a "buy one, get all versions" incentive for consumers to choose their systems over the competitors' to charging twice for the same game is beyond me.

@oconnoclast So I have thought more about your whole idea about Smart Delivery, and I don't think your argument is necessarily against Smart Delivery, but what Microsoft defines as a Series X|S title.

Watch Dogs Legion uses Smart Delivery and it's not just some Xbox One game running in some kind of enhanced backwards compatible version. Resident Evil 8 uses Smart Delivery. Gears 5 as well. If you look at File Info -> ConsoleType, these games would say XboxGen9. They are "native" Series games.

For something like Shadow of the Tomb Raider, which did get patched by the developer to fix a bug that introduced by the FPS Boost feature, it says XboxOneGen9Aware. It got the Series X|S Badge. Heck even Halo Master Chief Collection is actually just XboxOneGen9Aware.

HOWEVER, Cyberpunk 2077 also is XboxOneGen9Aware, and it has no badge. So why are Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Halo MCC considered Series X|S and not Cyberpunk when they both have enhancements that exist on Series X|S? Maybe some kind of flag the developer can set in the file metadata to enable the badge?

If you look at a game that has FPS Boost like Sekiro, it just says XboxOne as it's ConsoleType. It makes sense, the FPS Boost is just at the DirectX level and not a patch in the game itself.

So there is definitely a weird thing going on with what constitutes getting the "Series X|S" badge for older games that do have a boost on Series X in some shape or form.

But there isn't anything weird going on with Smart Delivery - as I said before elsewhere, it installs the best version of the game to match the hardware - whether it's an XboxGen9 version or some kind of XboxOneGen9Aware version that happens to get the Series X|S badge on it.

@oconnoclast There are PLENTY of games that are true next gen titles that use Smart Delivery. AC Valhalla, Yakuza: Like a Dragon, Dirt 5, Scarlet Nexus, Avengers, Borderlands 3…

I could go on and on. It feels like you’re trying to persuade yourself that it’s meaningless but it’s not.

I also own a PS5 and there’s been many times that I’ve been frustrated with how clunky getting the PS5 upgrade or a game is.

I love knowing I’ll automatically get the best version on my Series X.

It is one of the many reasons I left Sony and jumped onto Xbox this Gen. The entire Sony model is BS.

@Widey85 I want to hear this ignorant clown from Pushsquare say the same nonsense once Starfield drops, Avowed, Perfect Dark, Gears 6, Hellblade 2, Fable and numerous other unannounced titles (Project Dragon etc.). It’s going to rain exclusives every quarter for Xbox as promised by the CEO himself.

I don't believe they will consider doing sth... The exact policy have in Ghost of Tsushima:DC. Buy PS4 version and if you want PS5 spend 20 bucks more and I think same goes for Death Stranding:DC..... They serve reheated food and they want to pay 80$... Screw them....Long live Smart Delivery!

@Residentsteve01 Do you even remotely have any idea what you are talking about? Cuz whatever you have been blabbering is not making any sense so far. Anyone with a little common sense will definitely disagree with all of these.

Does anyone here know much about the Series X FPS Boost? There is something that I'd like cleared up about it.

I heard that if it is automatically enabled, it doesn't lower the games resolution. If you have had to enable it yourself manually, then it does lower the games resolution.

Is what I just said correct? It's only resolution lowering if you had to enable it yourself?

Thanks guys.

Sony totally screw this generation. The charge for upgrades and their upgrades to PS4 titles like Days Gone or Horizon are ridiculous. They just double framerate instead of enhancing graphics even though they already released enhanced PC version. There we can see that they don't recpect their customers. As PS5 owned and fan i am upset

@Originut Thank you. I asked because I read somewhere that it's if you enable it manually that it doesn't affect resolution, the articles was backwards.

Oh, the auto HDR wouldn't lower resolution would it either?

@Residentsteve01 “ None of these are smaller games but Halo seems unfinished after 6 years of development Forza Horizon 5 haven’t finished a horizon game since the 1st they are all the same , Forza Motorsport got bored after the 5th one that I played far to much of, Hellblade 2 the 1st one was overrated it had boring and dull combat repetitive gameplay I expected more from the same people that did heavenly sword and dmc, Starfield I’m not interested in Indiana Jones not yet confirmed , State of Decay 3 kinda looks a bit rubbish , Perfect Dark probably not going to be that good , Avowed 🤷🏼‍♂️, Outer Worlds 2 🤷🏼‍♂️, Gears 6 is actually gears 7 and is the only one I care about, Wolfenstein 3 🤷🏼‍♂️.”

I was strictly commenting on your statement that Xbox was only throwing small games at Gamepass. It seemed as if you were accusing them of making a less than full effort to provide quality games. I feel the list of games coming out is strong evidence to counter that claim.

You are obviously entitled to hate everything Xbox makes. I actually love Gears and think Halo is a bit overrated, myself. But the variety of upcoming games is something that I think Xbox is really doing right. And though these games haven’t come out yet, there’s nothing to suggest that they are being created on shoestring budgets to just fill up Gamepass.

Thank God I got a Series X, I’ve seen many Sony fans defending this pure greed, even on Push Square.
It’s obvious Jim Ryan is on a mission to massively increase profits for Sony. But the cheapest digital PS5 game at £80 is disgusting frankly. I feel sorry for those PS5 Digital Edition owners. But with the new cheaper to make worse PS5, and nickel and dimming the customer base on game prices, Sony must be laughing there asses of as millions will still buy their products in their droves, and defend it whilst doing so too.

@Royalblues I think Xbox are going to very quietly overtake Sony this gen. all the biased media and influencers will miss it as they are to busy hating on Xbox, but of course Microsoft don’t black list influencers and journalists who criticise them… unlike Sony.

So PS5 owners wish for smart delivery while Series X owners wish for Sony games. Imagine a system with Sony's games and Xbox hardware and MS unlimited funds to offer said games cheap. Maybe MS buying out Sony is the solution?

@Residentsteve01 Oh dear, your nothing but a petty troll I see. Microsoft actually listened to its customers and went back to make Halo better. But you don’t seem to understand when a company does better for its customers.

@Residentsteve01 I bet you bleed gallons of salt. Jesus, I'd hate to know a person like you.

@Residentsteve01 Indiana Jones had a friggin reveal teaser video made for it! In what way is it not confirmed? Or are you just lying to suite your narrative and barrage of attacks towards Xbox?

http://youtu.be/1CCQg4JEidM

Yoir sssoooo salty it’s hilarious, must be on school holidays. You are the very definition of a troll.

@S1ayeR74 they won’t overtake Sony. Maybe in a couple of regions like the UK or US but places like Europe idolise the PlayStation and don’t really go for the Xbox.

Sony are no longer the Japanese based giants we loved growing up, they’re now just another greedy big tech company based in California. They’re in the perfect position ripping off their consumers while people just don’t care or defend them. It won’t stop anytime soon while they can so easily milk their loyal customers.

@Fenbops Very true. I’m in the U.K. so will be happy to see them lose. In a way I’m glad my brother in law got a PS5 early as it’s now proven to be built better. But sad as he’s a massive Gran Turismo fan and that game is just delayed and delayed. I don’t think he’ll like these new prices that’s for sure.

@S1ayeR74 I’m in the UK too and would love to see it happen. I remember the 360 doing very well here, the same could happen this gen, I hope so.

I sincerely hope no one buys this game unless they have a PS5. I do, I'll be buying it but people who are stuck on PS4 really need to send a message.

But they won't, they'll buy the same game twice like the Nintendo cult does because "they're good games".

@Residentsteve01 I can tell

@Fenbops Seems to be picking up again doesn't it =) Even I ditched Xbox for PS4 until game pass came along. Xbox UK, screw those PlayStation Europeans! That's why I voted leave (I didn't hahah)

@S1ayeR74 the PlayStation won't be outsold by xbox in the UK, maybe the US though

In the UK the ps5 is outselling the series x/s and as a whole the ps5 has outsold the xbox series by 2 to 1, which tbf to xbox is way way better than last gen.

But in the UK and US both have been way outsold by the Nintendo switch and seems will continue that way for atleast the next year

@RavenWolfe81 I don't agree with what playstation is doing but in terms of Nintendo I understand why they are porting wiiU games.

WiiU sold around 13 million and was a short gen for them, whilst the switch is at 90 million so that's atleast 77 million potential buyers who didn't get to play those wiiU games, those ports are brand new games for those people.

It's not Series X/S versus PS5 when there are stocks issues and Xbox games are also available on Windows and Cloud. It's subscribers versus subscribers or number of players versus number of players. We have been saying this for years but still some people don't get it.

On topic, just a generation was enough for me to be fed up with Sony but this is their worst this far. Their pricing, upgrade system, save system, random decisions and marketing lies are way too much. On top of this, the system fans downgrade of the retail consoles compared to the systems they sent to the YouTubers and the recent heat sink downgrade... while Xbox Series X/S are wonderfully engineered.

@oconnoclast Buying Bethesda was the best thing xbox have done so far this gen, Bethesdas game will be better system sellers than xbox's other first party titles especially when fallout, starfield and elder scrolls come out.

And then there's gamepass which I don't think has the system seller appeal as much as people think it does, when the big games start coming then maybe it will but at the moment it's a bit lacking in terms of new gen content. And the big third party games being added seems to have slowed down a lot.

Sony did the EXACT same thing with MLB the Show 2021. On PS4 and Xbox. This isn't news. If you want a deal, wait the 45 days for a sale. I dont recall any outcry over MLB? Sony is gonna bleed the one asset they have, unique IP's, completely dry.

@UltimateOtaku91 Well considering Microsoft have never publicly announced its sales figures, I take any of these ‘PS5 outselling Xbox 2 to 1’ claims with a gigantic dose of salt. And I won’t be surprised in the slightest if Xbox outsells PS in the U.K.

@oconnoclast First off, Microsoft's games alone, which will be on there forever, is worth the cost of Game Pass. Having the 3rd party titles and EA Play are just added perks. And, while yes, there are titles that leave it, there still many 3rd party titles that have been on it for a very long time. In fact, most of them do stay on it for quite awhile. I often look at the what's coming vs what's leaving, and most of the time, the what's coming outweighs the what's leaving in quantity and quality. There are lot's of good indie gems as well, that don't take as long to beat. But, I think you are misconstruing a lacking of value with your inability to be able to play all of the overwhelming content. Sure, there are going to be games you just cannot get around to playing. But, that's because there is soo much to play on Game Pass. I'd surely, rather have that problem to deal with than having fewer games for a longer period. Plus side is they give plenty of warning of when a game is leaving, so you can focus it.

@oconnoclast exactly, the amount of games I've tried on gamepass where I've just played half hour and then moved on to another game just to see what they are like, and developers are counting all these 10-30 minutes as people playing their game but reality is the majority won't touch that game again.

The only games I've stuck with so far is state of decay 2, nier automata, the medium, Battlefield 5 and outriders and I've had my series s since February but I've tried a few other games just for 30 minutes and moved on. I'm scared to start dragon quest 11s and cris tales as I don't know if they will be on there much longer.

I see the main selling point for gamepass being first party titles being added day one and that's what the majority of people will use it for.

But for people who just play 4-5 games a year then gamepass isn't for them

@S1ayeR74 yeah best leave the speculation until concrete figures come out plus its still early gen so we won't find out who sold more in the UK for a long while. Based on this gen so far xbox should be selling more based on value for money with gamepass and Bethesda acquisition alone but with what happened last gen I don't think many people are ready or Confident to make the jump

@UltimateOtaku91 Yes an awful lot of PS4 owners including me, I got the standard one and the Pro. But I chose Xbox this new gen, although I had an Xbox One S last gen too.

It's funny because this really won't hurt Sony in the long run. They have enough goodwill from the gaming press and tech journalists in general to where people will forget this in a year or so.

They should feel this, but likely won't.

I am surprised Xbox Twitter hasn't put out something about how Forza Horizon 5 and Halo Infinite will be $59.99 (or whatever local pricing would be) for Xbox One, Xbox One X, and Xbox Series X|S just to take a light jab at Sony.

Like when Sony put out the video on how to use the PS5 stand and Xbox put out a similar "how to" post where one just turns the console to it's side.

I don’t know how anyone can say momentum for GamePass is “slowing”. Just in the last two months we’ve gotten Flight Simulator, The Ascent, Hades, 12 Minutes and Psychonauts 2. And that don’t even include other indie gems like Ocmo and Dodgeball Academia.

I guess that’s my kind of slow…

There are nine editions of this Sony new-gen game, I mean, Sony cross-gen game:

https://kotaku-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/kotaku.com/horizon-forbidden-west-has-nine-confusing-editions-for-1847607004/amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fkotaku.com%2Fhorizon-forbidden-west-has-nine-confusing-editions-for-1847607004

@GamingFan4Lyf Games are $20 more expensive on PS4/PS5 or $10 more expensive on PS5.

You know why I want smart delivery? Because a storm made me factory reset my PS5 and I lost all my saves cause the dumb PSPlus system didn't update the saves from April forwards
So yeah, Xbox does it way way better!

Sadly too many Playstation fans blindly support them and even make excuses on their behalf, such as the cost of adding rumble to a game or higher fidelity graphics. Clearly forgetting that PC has had better graphics for many years without charging extra for their games, a game costs the same whether I'm using an RX480 or 3070ti.

I've been a console gamer gamer a very long time but I'm happy that I'm not gaming on the PS5 whilst Sony are trying to rip off their customers

@awp69 If your comment was aimed at me i did say slowing in terms of big third party games, it's getting a lot of indies and flight simulator and psychonauts are both third party.

I want games like far cry, cyberpunk, tales of Arise, scarlet nexus, resident evil, mass effect, biomutant, Aliens fireteam etc. I can live without indies but I'm more interested in Rpg's and the latest third party games. Microsoft need to put in extra effort to get some bigger deals for gamepass other than online games and indies

The crooks of it is, Sony know the supply of PS5 is slow out the box and that there are still millions who have PS4.

If they can charge you £50 for the game on PS4 and then £70 for the PS5 version, they will. Its business. ***** business and completely unforgivable, but it's business non the less.

The lesson to take it, Sony dont give a ***** about the consumer, its not '4 The Players' or 'Play has no Limits', with Sony there are plenty of limits, basically pricing people out of their games. Its all for their pocket and while idiots will pay it, they will do it. Simples

I can only go off the UK but look at the sales of Ghost of Tsushima PS5. People have rebought it. Sony will know there is money to be made there.

Harsh but thats capitalism. I wont defend the practice as I hate it but its a known fact Microsoft can afford to take losses on pro consumer policies and others cant.

They have seen an opportunity to make money and took it. We can hate it all we like but until it stops making money they will keep doing it.

@BlueOcean I've had the conversation just recently with a friend about Microsoft wanting subscribers not unit sales. They have a PS5 and have always played PS, not a fanboy mind just their choice, they love all games but like most can only afford a single console.

He recently upgraded his laptop to a gaming laptop and has been having a blast with game pass on it so I joked saying they have an xbox now. He only uses his PS5 now for warzone and plays most of his games through GP and has said he will keep subscribed til at least after Halo. Xbox has got him hooked without him even buying an Xbox.

@UltimateOtaku91 Buying again isn't in itself an issue, but skipping sequels to sell the old game again at full price with few changes or additions is why I think Nintendo are unbelievably greedy. Why not make Mario Kart 9 and sell 8 Deluxe on the side for a reasonable price for folks who missed 8?

Because they can't make the same amount of profit as on an already made game. It's not like MK 9 would sell less than 8 has. Sony is doing the same by porting these PS4 games to 5 they just release them at the same time.

@SacredPYRO Yep that's exactly the point of their new business.