Watch Dogs: Legion Runs At 4K, 30FPS On Xbox Series X & PS5

I'd like to hope that there is also a performance option running @ 60fps.

Really wish we could see some examples of next gen Xbox games in action with ray tracing. Anyone know if they have released any videos that show any of the new titles running on series X with all the bells and whistles?

3rd party parity

Sounds good to me if it's native 4K and not dynamic.
I just hope there is a performance mode for 60FPS.

This is fine by me, performance mode later might be good but I want my Ray tracing

I really really really will be looking forward to comparisons of this game between the PS5 and XSX, mainly because I haven’t really seen any ray tracing in games running on the Series X.
I think for the first couple of years, 4K 60FPS with ray tracing and higher fidelity will be the standard, despite whatever Microsoft and Sony say. Once new games engines have been built for the new hardware though then I’m not sure.

@Medic_Alert Yes I was excited to see Gears 5 enhanced on it, and all I’ve seen is it just looks prettier because it’s in 4K and that’s about it! Not much else seems that different to me, certainly not a reason to go out and buy a Series X.

But but native 4k 60fps & Ray tracing is all that matters............. to fanboys. Hopefully there’s a performance mode. As a choice I would rather 60fps then 30fps, even if that means 1440p for resolution. Not bothered with raytracing either. I’ll like to see how the usual fanboys will spin this news. Funny how there also are a few who seem to only be able to enjoy a game depending on what digital foundry say. I’m hoping this gen gives us more modes for gaming so we can decide what is more important to us.

@Mckilmer Nope nadda, the closest we’ve got is Dirt 5, Yakuza looks like a mix to me between a current gen and even last gen, as in Xbox 360, game! Looks like we will have to wait till launch to actually see next gen graphics on Microsoft’s next gen system... not a good effort IMO by Microsoft.

@Medic_Alert i have a series X preordered mainly to play Assassin's Creed Valhalla at its best while finishing my backlog of games with higher frame rates and quicker load times. I have my launch expectations in check and am getting it knowing I won't be getting the most out of it until a little bit further down the road.

@S1ayeR74 yeah, I saw Dirt and Yakuza which obviously didn't blow anyone away. When i saw this article about ray tracing in Watchdogs I was hoping there would be a video attached. It seems that Microsoft is drip feeding game videos out as we get closer so I hope we get some more soon. The new Assassins Creed trailer was pretty stunning but I don't believe it specified what it was running on.

I just cannot decide between this and Assassin's Creed. Those two games look so damn good.

Ok, being totally honnest, it's gonna be Assassin's Creed for me. But Watch Dogs also seems so sweet.

I don't understand Ubisoft to launch those two great games together, at the same time.

I'll probably get Watch Dogs later, then.

@Mckilmer The new Assassin's Creed trailer was representative of what we'll get on next-gen (so, Series X for sure). And i'm with you on it : it litterally blew me away.

What really surprised me was how well they improved the faces of the characters. The female protagonist just looks so cool, now !

And the lightning in the backgrounds was just amazing, in my opinion. This is a game that will truly shines on our new systems !

Just can't wait to play it !

@Bobobiwan will probably be the first game I test out on launch. Then I'll probably hit up gamepass to play Gears tactics and Tetris effect.

@Medic_Alert Yes many of us don’t understand this stance? They go out on a limb, repeatedly so, to proclaim the Series X as ‘the worlds most powerful console’, and all they have allowed to show for it are pretty unimpressive cross gen and platform games and old games running at 4K that don’t really look much better (Gears 5). Are we really to expect this is Xbox’s next gen for 2 or 3 years until we actually get next generation games? Meanwhile Sony has exclusive games with pretty next gen graphics and ray tracing.
They seem to have got themselves into a strange situation indeed.

@Mckilmer A video of next gen games WITH proper ray tracing actually running on the Series X right now, would go a long way to boost its appeal. I hate to say it, but it’s beginning to look again like Xbox has no games till 2 or 3 years time.

"60fps will be the standard output"

Fire greenberg

That's good news. With rtx is a serious tech demo now. 60fps would be nice, but it depends on the game, and ubi games are paced in a way that is fine at 30. These should all be Anvil engine games... Not surprising it can't really push rdna2 features etc. I don't think this represents what ps5SeX can do. It represents what last gen engines can be tweaked to do on it.

@Medic_Alert " I genuinely don't understand how after so much good work, MS seemed to have dropped the ball at the most obvious point."

I assume it has mostly to do with the fact that all the launch titles are third party, and they can't show those of the publisher isn't releasing the footage. Yakuza made their trailer using XSeX footage. Ubi used pc approximating ps5..... Ms games aren't far enough along to show the footage (and the internet exploded when they showed Halo on pc....)

Sony has a few tarted up ps4 first party games plus ratchet to show.

Also, does anyone know if ac viking is 4k30 w/rt as well?

@S1ayeR74 Sony has one next gen ready traced game running 1440p60 with a ps3 level design. They have another running 4k30RT or 1440p60 with no rt and lots of visual degradation. They have another that's a barely dressed up ps4 platformer. Not until ratchet is there one really "next gen game" and we dont know if that's 1440p60 as well.

I think it's fair to say that, at best, both are lacking in the 4k60 promise, at least with rt. Sony marketing is just doing a better job hiding it.

That might improve with new engines though. These are all still old engines, except maybe ratchet, that aren't using the new paradigms of the new consoles & 30xx cards.

@NEStalgia Well in my eyes Miles Morales looks worlds apart from anything I’ve seen in the Series X so far, it has next gen graphics and loading and ray tracing and runs at 4K 30FPS. It doesn’t look degraded in the slightest.

I wonder how it will sell. I don’t think it’s that popular watch dogs. Do we actually care? Same with ac Valhalla it looks a bit meh too

I'm still waiting to hear about the Series S, as quiet as devs have been, I'm not hopeful

I only played the first game and a little bit of the second one. Aiden's story is just way more interesting to me. Plus it takes place in Chicago! Love that city.

@Darylb88 Knowing Microsoft I'm sure it'll be good. The Series S being poor quality would definitely scare consumers away from Microsoft.

@tobsesta99 I hope so, I mean all I really want is a step up from my One X (minus the 4K) which it should be but the whole Yakuza at 900p 60 knocked my confidence in any games having ray tracing on Series S. Hopefully i'm wrong!

@Medic_Alert Oh I'm looking forward to sack boy, but theres nothing "so next gen" like people here are looking for. I was looking forward to miles but at $50 for a mini game, only $20 more to get the proper version of the original and the 60fps mode that should have been free, im turned off it. But while miles looks nice, it looks nice at 30fps which was the complaint here.

Souls we already talked about. Looks"next gen" but not at 4k. And the level design is still corridor based because it's a map designed for ps3s limitations. Not a true test of hardware.

Godfall..... I want to say it's interesting but it's so generic... Anything gearbox is. I haven't ruled out out, but legion looks like a better game in general.

It's not so much that theirs nothing fun of even pretty in ps5s launch. It that the meme of it being "next gen" while the XSeXs aren't that seems patently imaginary. They've just marketed them in a way that people aren't noticing it's not representing that "next gen"image any more than xb is yet. I hate hate hate when subtle marketing works on people and they believe what they're meant to see..... Pet peeve...

@S1ayeR74 4k30 with ray tracing.... Just like watch dogs legion? That's kind of my point... There's nothing more impressive in display there than here with regard to "next gen" outside ratchet and souls, and souls also is not 4k60 w raytracing. Were seeing the same thing with both hardware at least with old engines.

@NEStalgia Demon's Souls is 4k/60fps with RT......

On PC since they slipped up and confirmed it for that too

No excuse why these games aren't 60FPS on this next gen hardware..

@Menchi lol, fair point

For Series X we don't really know what is really capable of because no games at launch are built for it. The ubi games are cross gen. All the features, but performance is based on the old engine and tech, and it's performing the same on ps5/XSeX. Ps5 we do have games built for it. Demons souls looks visually great regardless, but missing 4k60 on the first title built for it... And am old corridor designed game to boot...... Not impressing me too much.

@Xiovanni I'm not sure anyone that would spend $1500 on a highly disposable rental good like a video card actually cares it's a disposable beta test. They just want the best money can buy and they'll buy the next one a few months later.

I just hope next gen games have the RTX off option. I'm not sold on RTX and it's an incredible resource hog.

@gollumb82 No console version of a game has RTX because these are all AMD based consoles.

@Menchi
I know very little about ray-tracing, I admit, but the text clearly speaks of ray-tracing on PS5 and XSX...

@gollumb82 it’s a resource hog for sure and there’s other techniques devs can use to get games looking just as good.

I read about Spider-Man on PS5 only being RTX lite or something, that’s probably what we’re going to get on consoles.

@Fenbops
Sounds about right. What little I have seen of RTX on YT I can't say I came away impressed. It seems to be innovation for the sake of innovation. Games don't benefit enough from it to suffer so much in the performance department IMO.

@gollumb82 RTX is an nvidia specific implimentation using hardware specific to nvidia GPUs.

RTX is not short for raytracing. These consoles and new AMD hardware coming absolutely can and will do raytracing, but that is not RTX.

@Menchi
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I kind of thought RTX stands for ray-tracing in general. Cheers

For me 1080p/60fps better than 4k native/30fps

I really can't handle 30fps :/

I’ll definitely be playing in 4K/30fps with ray tracing. 30fps is totally fine for me with games like this but when it comes to Forza, Fifa, CoD, Battlefield etc I’ll be choosing 60fps.

Also, given that in the AMA he says raytracing on Xbox, why was all mention of raytracing removed from the Watch Dogs Legion page on Xbox.com yesterday but every other game with it, still has it listed.

I don't see it being much of an issue for a 3rd person, open world game like this that isn't as twitchy for multiplayer. Having raytracing as well for an open world, is a big resource hog. But, that should make the world look really nice. For a 1st person shooter (and racing games) however, any thing below 60fps is unacceptable for me next gen. Especially, considering that there are already games in development promising/showing 120fps.