Marvel's Avengers Dev Responds To Xbox Players Amid Spider-Man Controversy

I won't buy it, I know this at least.

"Do you guys not have phones?"

"Buy an xbox 360"

"If you want Spider-man, buy it on PS"

@Justifier yeah they are. I agreed. If they would just stop talking. It would go away just like the Call of Duty thing.

How do I feel... ?
Hm.... let me think. I feel like this company stooge is sorely missing the entire point of why this actually IS an issue, and seeing as he's just regurgitating company speak, it is probably never going to dawn on him anyway.

The whole game just looks like a corporate game made by Square Enix thrust onto Crystal Dynamics. Obviously Spiderman and the exclusive PS decisions were made by SE and not CD. It still baffles me that an avengers game is going to be a destiny style loot game?! This is a game designed by committee if I ever saw it.

The company as a whole feels tone-deaf. A more direct answer is, "We've made a profitable, exclusive deal with Sony," and that's it.

A whole lot of nothing

Typical head of a large corporation.

If they want to play as spiderman they have the option to spend 300 dollars to get a playstation

Not buying. kthnxbye

Hey, developers. Here’s a spade, keep digging yourself a hole

I'll still vote with my wallet by not buying the game, ever.
I'll own both consoles before mid'21, and by saying that I have the option to play it on PS5, surely they are offering Xbox buyers cross-buy, yes? (No...)

This is how it makes me feel:
Microsoft, stop playing around; buy WB make the new Batman and Suicide Squad games XBox exclusive.

Also: maybe stop giving PlayStation DLC content for Microsoft games like Minecraft and Outer Worlds.

@Grot despite what they say, it’s still not true. It IS possible the version of spider man they will use is the one designed for the PS4 game, with the same Peter Parker face. That’s a bit murkier ground, it might save them dev time to just take those assets directly from Sony. But it says a lot they never mentioned any licensing deal, just “some relationship.”

Sick of all the 'exclusive games'. I'm not buying a console just to play games (or content). Lost interest in this game now due to the corporate BS.

This looks bad on Sony..

@danielrestored that’s why I appreciated Tim Shaffer at Double Fine last year. He full out admitted that Microsoft offered him a lot of money so he’s like “sure” lol

@xMightyMatt14x I got to wonder sometimes... MS is being too nice of late when Sony is not playing ball.

Sony went out of its way to make even kickstarted multi-platform indie games exclusive for PS5/4. But MS goes out and buys a studio like Double Fine but refuses to cancel the PS4 version of Psychonauts 2... same way they didn’t cancel Outer World or it’s DLC.

Maybe MS should just cancel those releases.

@Tasuki it was limited time exclusive these one in the other hand is forever imagine paying full price for this game only to have cut content from you cause you don't own a ps4

@Tasuki

Actually, what you just said makes no sense. Tomb Raider was a timed exclusive deal for the game itself. Sony fans could still purchase the game at a later date.

Spider-Man is never coming to Xbox or PC. So they expect us to pay the same amount of $ for a game with less content. Hence why people are upset.

There is a big difference.

Like I said before.....this is just Sony being Sony.

And this developer is just making it worse by opening his mouth. I had little interest in this game to begin with, but now I have zero interest. It may as well be a PlayStation exclusive at this point. And let the Sony fans have it.

@Tasuki If they wanted to make the game a PlayStation exclusive, go for it. In fact why haven’t they? It be far less of an issue.

I have a PS4 and even I think this is a sh*t move!

So basically, the guy said F*ck you, go spend an extra $300-$600 just to play as Spidey.

So basically the developer is saying 'if you don't like it, go buy a PS4'?
Hope the game tanks for them for greedy practices and just horrid game PR.

@Tharsman I see where you’re coming from. They might start doing that and cancelling ps4/5 versions if the xsx sells miserably. As it stands I think they’re strategy guy is to target maybe (60-70% of the sales of ps5 but bank on selling software and subscriptions for everywhere from xsx and pc to sometimes other platforms.

But if it really starts to hurt their pockets they may get a little more exclusive about things.

'Oh please Xbox and PC gamers, please buy our big new game with less content for the same price as the Playstation version. You don't really need access to one of the worlds most popular marvel superheros in a Marvel Universe game anyway, (along with other goodies). No, please just be grateful for what we do give you... OR BUY A PS4 !' - Love C.dymamics

Just awful PR. Sometimes silence can be golden.

@xMightyMatt14x I honestly think the main reason they are not canceling games from studios they acquire is they don’t want the bad will from fans that feel things got taken away from them. I would not expect a Psychonauts 3 or Outer World 2 coming to PS, ever. It might also be a secondary thought that they can recoup some of the acquisition money by just selling those games on all the consoles it was already being developed for, though.

@Medic_Alert it’s not unheard of for deals like these to also factor the cost of paying any cancelation penalties on those contacts. It’s more expensive, but in the console wars, it can be a powerful thing to take away game access from the competitor.

@Tharsman

I do get your point.

But I think with The Outer Worlds 2 & Psychonauts 3 not coming to PlayStation in the future, it will help make the statement you want. Also, Microsoft isn’t done buying studios, so we’ll see what other exclusives we get.

And people are sleeping on what inXile are going to bring to the table with their RPG background & now a AAA budget. And maybe even Compulsion Games.

Let Sony spend all their money on stupid, douchey 3rd party exclusive deals like with Spider-Man or Destiny content like they have. I want Microsoft to spend their trillions on getting us great 1st party studios. 👍🏻

Exclusive content has been happening in games for a long time... but this guys response “idk play as a different character or something” is really annoying to me. Wasn’t going to pick this up, but I definitely won’t now.

Just to add some balance here (and I know I'm going to get roasted, so here goes), but Amos does have a point in that the game, I assume, will be feature complete without the addition of Spider-Man. Spidey is only going to play a small part in the grand scheme of things at a later date, and surely anyone looking forward to an Avengers game is just as keen to get to grips with any number of other characters.

I concur Spider-Man is one of the most popular characters in the world, and it is a genuine shame not everyone is going to get to play as him. But, at the same time, PlayStation do have the rights to the character - hence the existence of Insomniac's Spider-Man game on PS4 (and I wouldn't be surprised if it is this incarnation of Spider-Man featured in Avengers) - and so they have every right to lock that character down for their audience.

Basically, it's a business decision, and in business someone gets the short straw. I don't necessarily agree with exclusive deals like this, but it is a fair and valid business practise and strategy in which both Microsoft and Sony partake in.

Now we have Hitman 3 being playable in first person with PSVR. Sony have been throwing a lot of this money Square Enix's way clearly.

I think the whole complaining about Spiderman thing is a bit much of a muchness. Its a business deal. Naturally the other side wont like it. But it would be the same if the boot was on the other foot.

Sadly i dont see the practice changing anytime soon.

@Jaxx420 VR stuff is, IMO, very fair play. VR is something MS has no interest in pursuing, and a honest differentiator between the two consoles right now. I would never want to play Hitman in first person, but it’s hard to make third person VR work without making players feel they are just watching something play out, instead of being on the characters shoes.

For some reason, feeling on the character shoes, in third person, is easier on a TV.

Everyone would be ok, I think, if Sony was just encouraging more VR modes from third party devs.

@TimG13

I hate this practice, but I won’t wax on and on about it again to you. Like I said....it’s Sony being Sony.

However....I definitely agree with the point you made (and others have in other threads, including myself)......

Clearly, Spider-Man is not going to be part of the main story (whatever that ends up being with this being a “loot game” 🙄), so as Xbox fans, what are we really missing out on? This game kind of looks like rubbish to begin with. And now, this. And Spider-Man isn’t even coming to the game until 2021.

To me, this brings up more questions about the game itself than just about Spider-Man as a character. This makes it sound like it’s going to be some generic loot game (cough....ANTHEM).....so as Xbox fans we can probably just ignore it completely regardless.

@Tasuki

Exactly. It’s not a fair comparison. At launch, we all know Spider-Man is never coming to Xbox or PC. At least with Tomb Raider, we didn’t know.

And let’s be honest.....at the time, we all knew that Microsoft paid for that TIMED exclusive. We just didn’t have confirmation.

And my point still stands.....PlayStation owners could still buy the game at later date (with add on content, no less). SquareEnix is still telling Xbox & PC owners to still pay $60 for a lesser game now. These are not the same thing in any way....in my opinion.

So no.....your original comment doesn’t make any sense.

@Tasuki

Again, I disagree. Nintendo helped fund Bayonetta 2. It wouldn’t have been made without Nintendo or another company funding them. So good for Nintendo. 👍🏻

And I disagree with your assumption that most Xbox fans here would be cool if Xbox just did what Sony did with Spider-Man. It’s not 2013, man. Move on from the that “generation” of Xbox.

I can’t say it any clearer than I already have. Your point makes no sense bc it’s not the same thing as the things you accuse Xbox of doing long ago.

Nobody should have have to pay $60 for a 3rd party game only to get less content than another person who owns a different console & paying the same price. It’s ridiculous. And Xbox doesn’t do that anymore.

@mousieone
It wouldn't go away, but they should stop talking.

@Porridge2215 I own both systems am buying the PS.version second hand from GameStop that my solution. So to hell with this Scrooge.

@Tharsman if I own a platform and buy a studio you for damn sure better believe am canceling all deal pertain other platforms.

@Medic_Alert So I'd guess Psychonauts 2 and Outerworlds DLC was already contracted for with Sony.Had nothing to do with Sony more to do with the publisher they were dealing with before XGS purchased them. Nothing to do with Sony at all.

@Jaxx420 Square no longer controls IO interactive. They are independent and have been for some time now.

@Kmcroc5472 these contracts are never with the platform holder, unless there is an exclusivity deal. It is the publisher that might have a contract hold on the game.

@Tharsman I get that but the commenter made sound as if Sony had a say in it or was responsible for the deals.

@Medic_Alert that all depends on the select individual in charge or the group of individuals in charge. Me personally if it were me and my company buying the studio I would definitely be canceling all prior work and contracts, that's just me cause my main concern is my platform and it's fans. It may come off as Selfish to some but right to me.

@Medic_Alert my view point is my view point like all opinion stated here are not more than opinions. As for the cancelation of contracts, if I owned the company making the buy reactions for cancelation would have solution laying in wait and being handled by company attorneys. So I would have nothing to worry about as company owner.

@Medic_Alert no worming, just how I would go about it and theirs always a workaround. No reason why thing need to go unchallenged due to some fear of a challenge plus if you have Lawyers why not use them. losses what loss unless outlandish nonexisting numbers are considered a loss. I don't troll when it come to a topic concerning my preferred platform Xbox.

@Medic_Alert from my experience (that arguably is limited) almost all contracts of this type have exit clauses, that usually demand a complete refund of money paid up front by the publisher since most publishing deals tend to account for development/production financing. Most publishers will at minimum want that money back, sometimes with interest.

I understand MS opting to retain good will with fans, my own tempered posts suggesting they should just give up on it are just out of annoyance at only one party playing nice in a way that benefits a competitor, but truth is it also benefits MS's reputation.

I am sure, though, had they truly desired it, they could had paid any penalties required by the publishing contracts. Again: not saying it would be wise to do that, but I dare bet Sony would do just that.

@Kmcroc5472 me a Scrooge?

@Medic_Alert so they expect return on numbers that don't even exist or for that matter can't take market change economic hardship, yet are going to claim it a loss, also how can something that doesn't exist have similarities to what exist. Isn't that stretching things a bit. Lastly their is always a workaround only thing that don't have walk around and are guaranteed are Taxes & Death everything else has workaround.

@Porridge2215, not a scotch never gave a damn for PS, so the faster MS stops being nice and stupid things can go back to normal like the BG era, where I hope for PlayStation downfall & bankruptcy. That's all that simple pleasure that would bring.

@Medic_Alert good for you. , still believe that everything can be challenge no matter what it is. As for the PS thing Fk them and that whole company. Am off to be crazy and challenge everythings that can be challenged and changed. Have great day & weekend.

@Kmcroc5472 I found that out after....oops.

Sony acquisition on the cards perhaps?

@Jaxx420 hope not cause it be nice if for once some studio ceo stuck to their guns of remaining independent like they love yapping about