PlayStation boss Jim Ryan has been conducting various interviews since the PS5 Showcase event earlier this week, including with Japanese site AV Watch in which he spoke about Microsoft's strategy with the Xbox Series S.
As translated by Video Games Chronicle, Ryan explained that Sony actually considered doing the same thing with the PS5 - making a low priced, reduced spec console - but ultimately decided against it:
“The first thing I would like to say is that I respect every competitor’s decision and their philosophies. Clearly, price is a very important factor. We respect other companies’ competitive strategies. However, we are fully committed to and believe in our current strategy and the effect it will have."
“One thing that can be said is that if you look at the history of the game business, creating a special low priced, reduced spec console is something that has not had great results in the past. We’ve considered that option and seen other executives who have attempted this discover how problematic it is.”
“Based on our research, it’s clear that people who buy a game console want to continue using it for four, five, six or even seven years. They want to believe they have bought something that is future-proofed and not going to be outdated in two-to-three years.
“They want to have faith that if they end up buying a new TV that their current console will be able to support that new 4K TV they are considering on buying.”
In contrast, Microsoft recently highlighted that developers won't be limited by the Xbox Series S compared to the Xbox Series X, explaining that the core capabilities "are the same between the two consoles."
And in case you were in any doubt, Xbox exec Jason Ronald also confirmed to IGN that the team is planning to support the Xbox Series S throughout the entire next generation, seeing the Xbox Series consoles as "a single family of devices."
What do you make of Ryan's comments on Xbox Series S style consoles? Let us know down below.
[source av.watch.impress.co.jp, via videogameschronicle.com]
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I get his point but by that logic the Xbox one and PS4 slim was outdated years ago.
He's such an idiot, i can't believe he's in charge of Sony
Outdated when people still play gameboy games. Or old pc games such as Starcraft.
Ok.
He’s definitely not right about this. Gaming machines never age.
I’d say Xbox series X and PS5 both are a couple of years ahead for current average household setups. Most households do not have 4k. (2/3 in US) Series S is perfect. Especially for that pricepoint.
https://www.quora.com/How-common-are-4K-TVs-in-households-statistically-Are-they-owned-as-much-as-HD-1080p-TVs-yet
It’s a bit hypocritical since you have also promised last-gen support for atleast next 4 years which by that time you will have released another pro version. It’s no brainer why the digital version is getting produced/sold in far less quantities.
Just stop changing goalposts every time and propagating deception.
Said it before but I'm pretty sure MS will use xcloud when it comes to the series s...slightly different topic but is Herman Hulst still in charge at Sony? Seems to have been ages since we heard from him
The Switch was outdated within a year or two of release. There are more factors to consider than raw computing power.
He's got a point that series S won't age well, but you'll probably get a solid 3-4 years out of it before needing to consider an alternative.
That being said, I'm still using my OG Xbox one, so unless people's tv's die they may happily use them for the whole generation.
Jim Ryan is an idiotic, arrogant buffoon.
Anyone else notice that this guy doing interviews after the post-event PS5 show has only made things worse & the messaging even more cloudy? Oh and he lies constantly.
In Phil we trust. 👍🏻
A tad hypocritical from a company who are making the PS4 Pro I bought four years ago into a glorified doorstop because "we believe in generations (when it suits us.)"
It's not like the Xbox Series S doesn't display a picture if you plug it into a 4K TV. It upscales. The vast majority of people who aren't on the bleeding edge and who aren't looking for every pixel and therefore haven't upgraded to a 4K TV at this point will barely even notice the difference between an upscaled image and a native one
Also, as the Series S ages, Microsoft will be able to drop it in price even further, making it a true "entry-level" system. They'll be sub-£200 before you know it. Even the digital PS5 won't be able to touch that price before the end of the generation.
@SuperKMx
Exactly! Well said.
What low cost consoles are he referring to that haven't had "great results in the past"? Am I forgetting something? Every time this guy speaks I lose a little bit more respect for Sony.
Don't listen to a word this man says. It's not like he's earned any trust from us with the whole lying by ommission about believing in generations and risking styfiling innovation. Not to mention the ***** show that trying to preorder was, the screwing over the UK and europe with ps5 game pricing and delayed release date compared to the USA. What a fine way they have treated their overseas fans/community recently. F off Sony.
Well, the same could be said of his 9TF PS5 that can go as low as 5TF in some cases as stated by some developers. His own PS5 that is having trouble running Resident Evil 8, his own PS5 whose ran Unreal Engine 5 tech demo at 1440p 30fps. PS5 competitor is called Xbox Series S, Series X is in a league of its own.
I'm intending to use my switch for the next decade! It's an almost perfect machine.
The man is an idiot
@TheGamerKing
Yeah well, we all know that releasing Xbox in japan is a waste of resources.
I don't understand why Sony fans are so defensive, PS5 will sell very well, and will get many good 1st party games.
@TheGamerKing Glad you only took umbrage with one of my points. I guess the rest is indefensible.
@Grot
As a long time Xbox fan, Jim Ryan is not on the Don Mattrick level yet (as you said), but it’s a slippery slope. And he has proven that he is on that path.
Mattrick ticked me off so much that I got rid of my 360 for a PS3 for a few years. Mattrick almost completely killed off the Xbox brand. I don’t think Jim Ryan could ever do that to Sony, but if I were a PlayStation owner, I would be concerned with this guy in charge.
@TheGamerKing PS5 has 9TF as stated by sony itself. PS5 reach 10TF in boost mode, that will not be used at all times. Just watch Mark Cerny presentation, he said it himself.
@TheGamerKing I got mine from box.co.uk
Will be my first playstation ever. I'm also getting the series X on tuesday if I can get a preorder (will try amazon first, then game if no luck)
I'm going to have to hide the ps5 behind my TV since it's so huge and ugly. But I would like to (for the first time ever) be able to play sony console exclusives. I intend to buy 2nd hand games and wait for sales because of the game prices. But I'll likely get spiderman on release so I have something to play. Otherwise why get a ps5 on release? I'll get multiplat games on the series X though.
I don't like a lot of Sony's actions recently but I still appreciate the fact they make some great exclusive games.
@TheGamerKing
I didn't mean you especially. But I agree with that huge asian market. Microsoft has done good job to get more japanese games recently, that is a start.
@nessisonett This.
There is a lot more at play here and his comments only to speak to one group of people not the rest of consumers. And that group would get the Series X anyway. Remember that Ubisoft still put Just Dance 2020 on the Wii? Yeah, there are other consumers out there. The only thing MS has really done here is give consumers a choice; how is that a bad thing? Anyway, it's hardly their only machine and what developers support in the coming years, is prediction. Which I don't know about anyone on this board, but I know I can't see into the future.
Who takes Jim Ryan seriously? He says one thing and the next day he does the opposite. He seems afraid of Series S performing well.
Series S can upscale to 4K and its CPU is better than PS5 while Series X is clearly more powerful than PS5. PS5 can't sustain high clock speeds on both CPU and GPU and even at the top of its capabilities PS5 is inferior to Series X. Sony shouldn't focus that much on Series X/S specifications for their own good.
This guy is an idiot, Biggest Sony shill and homer on the planet.. You don't see Doug Bowser or Phil Spencer saying things like this.. Guy is a complete fraud..
@KelticDevil He was like that even before being head of Playstation, most well known for his infamous comments about backwards compatibility in 2017. I was wary about the PS5 era with him as head of Playstation but can't say I expected the crossgen situation revealed a few days ago.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2017/06/sonys_jim_ryan_just_said_a_stupid_thing_about_backwards_compatibility
"Based on our research, it’s clear that people who buy a game console want to continue using it for four, five, six or even seven years. They want to believe they have bought something that is future-proofed and not going to be outdated in two-to-three years."
"Which is why we made the PS4 Pro."
Jim, shut up. For the love of God. It's bad enough Horizon 2 is ruined via cross-gen with the PS4, we don't need a Phil 'double-talk' Spencer working for Sony.
Let me start by saying the fact he is saying this tells me he is honestly terrified of the impact the Series S will do on his market share. I doubt Sony will shrink to nothing, it will likely will remain the dominant console in most markets, but they will see their market share shrink, and thanks to Series S low price, way more than originally expected.
That said: I can only think of 3 things that resemole examples of low spec consoles.
One S VS One X (igniting launch model) is close, the S had a launch lead but over the lifetime or both, I'm almost certain S sold better than X every singe month.
PS4 Slim VS PS4 Pro (again, ignore launch model) is almost perfect since I think they launched together (might be wrong, on the phone but will edit later if wrong) again, the Slim charted better than the pro constantly.
Finally Nintendo 3DS VS 2DS. I am less confident as to what model sold more on this one, on a monthly basis, but the lower spec model came, ironically, later. It sold extremely well, mostly because of extremely aggressive pricing.
I guess we can also. Throw the Switch light on that list, a machine with tons of limitations compared to the regular model, and although not outselling, it's still selling gangbusters.
@Grumblevolcano by this point, either their BC is extremely unreliable and spotty (nowhere near 99%) or he is so desperate to talk about any feature Xbox can unquestionably claim they do better (3 back gens VS 1.)
He already shown he is willing to hide what they doing simply because Xbox is doing it better (smart delivery with back and forth save file cloud sync VS akward upgrade routes.)
At this point I would not be shocked if the next we hear about BC officially is hands on by consumers getting the console in November.
@Tharsman Recently, the next step with these launches is giving the console/game to streamers and the like to build up hype. This is not being done. I’m not much of a doomer with this stuff but the PS5 launch is a bit of a mess even if I’ll end up picking one up eventually.
@Tharsman I do feel there's a catch with backwards compatibility because why would you hide it in a blog post rather than mention it in the event. Given there's no talk about timing, I'm guessing the catch is a gradual process so like hundreds are available at launch and over a certain period that grows to thousands.
@nessisonett this whole preorder thing, i think, will also backfire.
Here is a hypothesis of mine:
Sony rushed their preorders to go first, they originally likely planned a week from now, but that would had placed them after XBox preorders. They could not accept that, so they rushed, and messed the scheduling with retailers.
Going first, likely backfires. Tons of scalpers get the console before players do. Anyone that just wants to play their Call of Dutties or Maddens, but want in on the next gen, might simply give up on the PS5 preorder and try to get an XBox Tuesday.
This will result in some console conversions to the next gen that would had not happened had PlayStation preorders gone second.
Going second would mean those same people would not even try to go for an XBox, and just wait for a PS5 preorder to open. They likely would had failed at that point too, but the XBox preorders would had sold out, and they would get fewer conversions.
@Grumblevolcano "I do feel there's a catch with backwards compatibility because why would you hide it in a blog post rather than mention it in the event."
If I give them the benefit of the doubt, and they themselves are buying their fanbase rants, then because they see their rabid fans continue to scream "I don't buy a new console to play old games."
@Tharsman Yeah, I see a lot of grumblings from ‘gamers’ about this Xbox Series S but it’s a slam dunk for the casual market. They’ll buy whatever they can play the latest FPS/Sports game on and at that price, who’ll pass it up! There’s a lot of nonsense from ‘gamers’ anyway but this situation has just shows the ones who are too far up their own arse to think of casual players as anything less than scum. And they’re usually the ones who go to see superhero movies in the cinema and complain about ‘movie elitists’ 😉
What are Jim Ryan's strong points? He's not intelligent, he's not doing his job well, he's not charismatic and he's not handsome.
Consoles are effectively old tech as soon as they release. Didn’t stop gameboy, Wii and switch from selling bucket loads...
@BlueOcean I’m not sure but so far I preferred it when kaz Hirai and Andrew house were in charge...
@KelticDevil Completely agree. His lie about 'We believe in generations' to then say 'Oh by the way all these games are coming out on PS4'. What a fool.
@Tharsman That would be a foolish mistake if that is the case. It's obvious the fans wouldn't be saying "I don't buy a new console to play old games." if backwards compatibility was present.
The PS5 has, indeed, PS4 and PS4 Pro profiles on the respective chips, similar to Nintendo DS and the original PS3 so I'm not even sure that PS4 games will run better on PS5 at all. They don't care much about backwards compatibility and if they can sell PS4 hits as PS5 remasters, they will. Haven't they started yet?
I don’t know much about Jim Ryan, but I personally also think that the XSS will feel outdated in maybe 3-4 years.
Games that have 1080/1440p + 60fps performance modes on XSX will not run and look great on XSS running maybe even sub-1080p just to hit those frames or go back to being 1080/1440p + 30fps.
Besides that, most consumers play a console on a larger TV. And the 4K market share is only growing, not being stagnant.
People throw in the pandemic now, but that is just temporary and not all people are hit as hard. Hell, I even got a bigger bonus because this year our business went better than ever before.
@Beerculies because they were outdated too quickly, they released a mid-term update in form of PS4 Pro and Xbox One X to get with the times of 4K TVs.
But they also couldn’t just cut off the weaker consoles, because then all the talk about supporting both types of consoles would have become a lie.
@tatsumi Why would games run at 1080p60 on Series X? No developer would do that.
I may be getting it wrong but everyone saying the series S will run same as X but with less resolution here? My thoughts were that the S would be like playing games with lower “graphics” like on a PC with a shot graphics card where you have to turn everything down to low (like my pc).
I wonder if that’s what he means? Its the reason I wouldn’t consider an S over an X as in my head it’s the one without all them cool graphix so to speak.
Surely the difference in the GPU is large enough to not be just resolution?
Again I’m not so sure about it all. As bad as Jimmy boy is right now I’m struggling to believe the MS message of resolution only is true as they say?
Seriously if the only difference all generation is no 4K output then yes it’s far more appealing to me.
The PS5 is outdated right now.
@Grumblevolcano
Very true! “Nobody plays old games”, but Sony will sell you a PS2 game on PSN for $10. Lol!! 😂
@Grot
Agreed. Like Mattrick, he tells US what WE want instead of actually listening to what we want.
We'll see how the market reacts. Game pricing might be more make or break than ever, and MS' ace in the hole is Game Pass.
@StonyKL Only way you can be sure is wait until games and Digital Foundry analyses are out.
Wow, ol Jim is down to low key FUD. Isn't it time he moved on to Zynga with Donny boy? Rather than making a case for improved consumer value in his 4k console for only $100 more, he's resorting to spreading FUD based on insinuation and false equivalence about the competitor???
Every time this guy opens his mouth i start actively disliking PlayStation. I'm a ps fan as well as xb fan. But launch hype should build pride of ownership, and every time he's done talking, which is rare, i feel dirty and used for owning their products. He truly needs to be sent packing. I shouldn't feel like I'm abusing myself for having bought their console.
@kelticdevil The only reason he's not at Matrick levels of bad yet it's he never actually speaks, and Matrick wouldn't shut up. Now that he's speaking he's rapidly entering #dealwithit territory. He's sabotaging all good will Sony built in the ps4 era and returning to the horrid ps3 era. They've been hiding everything ebout their console, even after selling out of them, and when he confirms details, it's always the worst case. Project nimble my rear, they didn't adjust to Microsoft they just hid and he sound terrible in the defensive now sewing false doubt about XSeS.... And the market is buying. Countless people on push square really think XSeS will hold back games... And that was before Ryan made it official spin. He's really got to go. Now. Before he butchers the brand.
And i say this as someone with a ps5 preorder.... (Probably...)
@StonyKL 4k is 4x the pixels to render. Double horizontal, double vertical. Add to that things like ray tracing and you have 4x the number of lighting calculations. Yeah, you can get away with a LOT less graphics power and memory bandwidth at 1080 (or 1440 which i don't think many games will target. Better yet, 1080 to 4k scaling looks great unlike 720 to 4k, because there's not much interpolation going on, it's mostly just pixel doubling. Even native 1080p switch games like acnh are tack sharp scaled to 4k with a cheap in-screen scaler. (Too sharp. Switch doesn't usually anti alias.....)
Every time he opens his mouth, Sony gets one more negative mark. I understand there are "strategies" involved in the way he talks and in the things he says but there was a time when guys in his position spoke and people took it as the truth. Now people have information available a click away. Who will believe him after so much bs he's been spitting out?
@StonyKL It might vary from game to game, but my understanding is the hardware and APIs are all configured in such a way that a dev can easily just make the game run at a quarter of the resolution, example:
4k on XSX => 1440p on XSS
1440p on XSX => 720p on XSS
Thats the easy path, because they claim the GPU can simply do everything the big one can, but only on fewer pixels.
However, any developer could customize their output. Someone might decide they rather try something a bit different, like bit higher res but lower fps, or who knows what. Its up to the developer of each game at the end of the day.
@Medic_Alert yeah I'm honestly debating not buying tsushima now despite waiting years for it. I assumed free ps5 patches like Microsoft. But after Spiderman I'm afraid they'd just announce Tsushima remastered 2 years after release end sell it to me for almost the same price again. I might treat it as not yet released. Heck is not even in sale yet and they might resell it. We're literally down to remasters of 2 year old games..... Maybe they'll start charging for firmware updates too...
Fans defend it. All that extra work cost money! What extra work, the game is 2 years old. You mean they didn't know there was a ps5 in the works?
The devs said ratchet and clank rifts apart couldn't run on a ps4. Hardware's not there. But could it run on a serious s, if so, you're good
@NEStalgia According to PushSquare "to be fair, the developer has put a lot of effort into this remaster", meaning, "charge them twice and thrice and rip them off" or "Microsoft haven't put a lot of effort into backwards compatibility and enhancements" or "CD Projekt and the other developers that offer free upgrades is because they haven't worked hard enough".
If Sony charges you twice is because they deserve it, according to PS's insinuations.
I ignore everything this lying fool says, he is very economical with the truth and this interview and quote was pure marketing defence strategy, sad really, he knows he has the weaker machine and will lie to defend that. The Series S has caught Sony with their trousers down, they have nothing to compete with against it. And a PS5 digital with very expensive games is not a competitor to a bargain Series S and Game Pass Ultimate where one PS5 game would cost as much as 5 to 6 months of Game Pass subscription.
@S1ayeR74 to me he comes across as insecure about his product, and out of touch with his market, while coming from a position of overconfidence. He thought he knew the playing field and marched into it for years thinking he controlled it. When Nintendo flipped the script Sony changed strategy a bit. But they thought ms was going to keep matching whatever they do. They thought the market was a power arms race, and ms history showed it would be. And all the clever ms talk about x, x, x,x really pushed that idea. And in their arrogance,i think they assumed Lockhart was just Microsoft's digital box. I'm sure they started figuring it out a year ago, but it was far too late, thus waiting it out.
But Jim's reactions recently are baffling. he had those comments of "we thought of doing that, but weaker, lower cost consoles don't traditionaly sell", this lame FUD here that developers have got to be hearing and wondering just where the heck Sony is...
He seems to be digging in to defend his decisions like a cornered animal even if it makes no sense. Probably for investors. But it's rediculous and proves he's unfit for the job. He could be spinning his advantage. 4k for 100 less. The first party library. The usual Sony fan ways of saying there's no need for an xbox. But no, he's busy throwing shade and pretending to have technological superiority and worse, that price point doesn't matter. I was up until 3:30 am Wednesday to get a pre-order and every time he speaks i start questioning why i want a ps5 at all. He makes it seem entirely unappealing. The die hard fans accept anything with a PlayStation logo, but the die hard fans weren't enough to carry ps3 and vita across the finish line.
@BlueOcean I think it's half Sony nickel and diming to recoup hardware subsidy on the whales, but i also think it's Sony playing lapdog to the industry. They want high prices, and Sony the immovable leader will be their vanguard.
I said it on psquare, if ms comes out, hopefully after preorders, and says msgs games rrp 59.99 + 10% discount for gp subs, that will be their "this is how you share games on ps4" moment.
It's a bleak day for Sony when Sammy Barker starts complaining about anything Sony does. A month ago he'd have cleaned their bathrooms with his tongue and thanked them for the honor. . On a scale of 1 to 10 on the "how screwed are we in the general market o meter" that should read somewhere around "i wonder what Sega stock swaps are valued at today?" 'p
Yet the Sony fans still defend it! It's like smash and undertale. Ps fans make me dislike ps more than anything Sony does. Except Jim "Matrick" Ryan. I'm technically one of them, but sheesh.... Then again if they swarm xbox this time as a result, well be dealing with their zealous anti sony bile here soon enough
Edit. I also get the impression Sony was doing what sony always does and tried to position PlayStation as the brand of rich boys toys. An upscale, exclusive gaming product. The monied, and especially in Asia will only buy if it's exclusive enough... The more expensive the more "worthy"of their status. Maybe also a play to enter the China market big. But Sony has long had an apple complex, believing themselves to be a status symbol brand (remember the cringey Sony Style stores?). They price themselves out of their own markets. That's how LG and Samsung ate their lunch in consumer electronics, and Japan's fame in electronics moved to Korea.
@PhhhCough ratchet needs an ssd because it alternates entire environments as it's gimmick. It could work on ps4 with load screens, but that breaks the gimmick. That's the only reason it can't run.
@Tharsman it’s a tough one to accept right now without these machines to confirm. It still feels like if the S has to be the same but 4 times less than the X resolution max, that feels like the X is restricted to the S but 4 times the resolution.
Basically when all last gen games were shown on pc they were super amazing (watchdogs for example) then the game came out with less than half the number of detail on screen, less people, less debris, worse lighting etc. If the games have to be same for S and X, will it be build to the limitations of S then resolution up to 4K for X or built for the X then take some of the detail out?
I still don’t think that’s been made clear enough yet, even if it’s a dev by dev decision. I don’t think I could preorder the S without knowing and my guess is it’ll be this way. If it was the other way (X limited by the S) I’d be very disappointed.
I think Jim Ryan overestimates how often real world people actually replace their TV.
I haven't read any other comments yet, had to post this...
The man is talking rubbish, PS4 and Xbox One/One S have been supported all the way through the near 7 year cycle of their generation (and will continue to receive support post Series console launch) and sold the most units of their respective brands.
The Series S will receive support for the entire generation, no doubt about that at all, especially as it could end up being the top selling console anyway.
Try harder Sony dude, you're talking like a desperate and foolish man.
I think Sony has been caught off guard with Series S and the value it offers.
I was all for that cheaper PS5 Digital, $100 more than the Series S but more powerful, but as soon as they announced $70 games and trying to resell stuff like Spiderman PS4 upgrade, they lost me.
It's PS3 era all over again...
Seriously, this is an imbecile. I'm convinced at this point all the success PlayStation has had in Europe over the years is in spite of him not because he's some great business person.
@NEStalgia I agree with everything that you said 😉.
Regarding electronic devices, my whole family used to like Sony (they liked "luxury" things) but we got more issues with Sony CD players than any other, cheaper brands. PS4 is the only console I own that has technical issues (random disc ejection, HDMI micro blackouts and high-level noise).
@StonyKL It's worth remembering that Xbox One and Xbox One S have a weaker CPU than Xbox One X while Series S has basically the same CPU as Series X. The real difference between Series S and X is the GPU capabilities but both ray tracing and Auto HDR are hardware features so the only real difference between Series S and X is the resolution capabilities and the quality of the textures (less memory for the GPU).
It's possible that some developers will offer a resolution or quality mode in order to improve the native resolution and quality of the graphics on Series S but why would they focus on native resolution when the console can upscale to 4K and it's not marketed as a graphics console?
Anyone concerned about resolution and Xbox One X enhancements in backwards compatible games should shell out 200 more for Series X. People that are not that concerned about native resolution, even if they own a 4K TV, should save 200. At the end of the day, 1080p and 1440p games look good upscaled to 4K, just not as good as native 4K. Series S would be a bit like PS4 Pro (no real 4K) and Series X like Xbox One X (real 4K) but Series S and X CPU is the same and both are better than PS5 in terms of CPU power.
In short, Series S will sacrifice native resolution and 4K textures because it has less GPU power than PS5 but it's not less powerful than PS5 as the liars suggest, it has a better CPU and more built-in hardware features.
@BlueOcean my problem is I don’t believe this as true only because this isn’t how it works on my pc. I have a top range cpu with no limitations gaming wise there but my settings are all limited by the gpu. Not the resolution but the sliding bars for things like AA and environmental detail levels. I struggle to understand why this is so different? Maybe it is but just can’t get my head around it!
@StonyKL It's because of the hardware architecture which is very different in a PC and in a console. Series S/X have hardware features built in such as:
Variable Rate Shading
Mesh Shading
DXR Ray Tracing
Rapid-packed Math
DirectML Machine Learning
SDR to HDR Conversion
Hardware-accelerated ray tracing
ESRGAN Technology
Codemasters already confirmed that it's essentially, turning down the resolution and possibly some very minor shading adjustments at most. I think the arguments like this are stupid and a weak attempt by Sony to downplay the competition. All these games that release on console and PC have to have much much more scalability on PC. People act like PC hasn't been doing this forever already. And the fact that the Series S is capable of the same features as X but at a lower resolution (still with 4k upscaling), should be no problem at all this generation. We are still a ways away from a general adoption of 8k. That realistically, won't be the standard format until the next generation. 4k is just now becoming mainstream.
@BlueOcean They only people that think Sony is a luxury brand post 1989 are Sony executives.... (and your family, apparently) Honestly Sony wasn't a luxury brand in the 80's either but for some odd reason it attained a semi-luxury status.....mostly in Japan, though. Samsung is starting to get that old Sony arrogance...maybe it's endemic to the consumer electronics industry?
@RadioHedgeFund Might have something to do with the fact that he works for a company who's primary physical product other than Playstation and batteries is TVs.... "4k is everything" makes sense in Sony's world. They make movies, cinema equipment, and TVs. In their world, 8k is so 2015. Unfortunately they've failed to step out of their caviar lounges to notice all the 1080p TVs still being sold in Walmart.... Go figure it's Walmart that broke their preorders
@Xiovanni Sadly, it's the internet and gaslighting works. Sony's executives have officially become reddit trolls. Within a week you won't be able to get a word in edgewise on forums before being screamed down that "weak consoles don't sell and hold back games, and XSeS will be obsolete and replaced with a new model every 3 years." We saw how well "Spiderman MM needs the power of PS5 and couldn't run on PS4, this is the power of generations unlike Halo getting held back by X1" ran on the internet, and Sony merely suggested the idea subtlety.
@Gamer83 Imbecile is a kindness. "I don't see why anyone would want to play old games via BC".....
Meanwhile at Nintendo: Old games for $60 limited edition! #2 selling Amazon game of 2020.
If I didn't know better I'd think they found this guy inside their film business.....
I think Playstation been falling apart internally for years and we hardly noticed at the time because they went silent. Yeah, he ran the EU rollout for ps4, but that was a platform that sold itself because Microsoft deleted itself before the race, and Nintendo never showed up at all. This isn't 2013 anymore. We used to have Shaun Layden, the wonderful face of SIE, the "less geeky" counterpart to Phil. He's the one that ran that "Year of Dreams" E3 and the fantastic early years. And then he got pidgeon holed with that dreadful final E3. Then they stopped doing E3 entirely. Then they stopped doing their own events entirely. Shu Yoshida was vanished away to Twitter-presence-only. Layden quit the company....rumor has it there was an internal power struggle between him and Ryan and Ryan's plans on restructuring worldwide studios. Hirai quit, or "retired"... Other high level people quit. Or were reassigned. Ryan has seemingly been on a rampage between maneuvering to the position and then once in it (and Kodera wasn't much better) to implement "his" vision of corporate efficiency at the cost of everything that built success last time. And that somehow included withdrawing almost all PR events including E3 and going wholly silent except for the weird "I'm late for my tee time, can we get this over with?" approach to messaging.
The problem at Sony right now is he runs Playstation and reports directly to Yoshida (Kenchiro, not Shuhei)......who was the former CFO. You have the bean counter running the company, and the ambitious corporate lion burried in spreadsheets and strategic goal charts running playstation unrestrained.
Nintendo has a similar problem with Furukawa, the bean counter, running the company after Kimishima the banker, all replacing Iwata the gamer and designer. He's also whisked away the talent and faces of t he company entirely so there's no relatable presence anymore. They drop games on Twitter and that's that. But at least Nintendo has a lot of "fun" people behind the scenes that make it work. Sony seems to have lost the "fun" people and has gone full EA/Activision that views gamers as "engagement rates."
Meanwhile Microsoft has Phil Spencer, the guy who started out wanting to get into gaming running the show who understands the market, because he's also a customer. Yeah, MS has bean counters running the show higher up, but Phil + Beancounter means the business revolves around the market at an operations level. Ambitious goal chart lion + Beancounter means the business operates around the bar graphs on monthly revenue, and long term projections by sales goals rather than building the firmament of the business. So we have a reverse of last gen. Microsoft is building a platform people want to play games on and understand what the business offers. And in doing that they make money. A lot of money. Over time... Sony's projecting the 2026 financials, and building a finance scheme to monetize past opex by Q322, and it just so happens your $20 is a calculation on the chart! You win a trophy!
Isn't so that XSS will have just games in lesser resolution etc?
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