@Trikeboy I'm playing devil's advocate a little here, Trikeboy, but a lot of the media hub stuff doesn't necessarily add to the console's price. The PlayStation 4 has the technological ability to show HD movies and TV from any service, give you interactive fantasy league stuff via the web, and even gesture control via the PlayStation Eye - depending on the Eye's resolution, of course.

When the 360 came out, it wasn't designed for media, necessarily. Netflix, Amazon, Xbox Video, Hulu, Internet Explorer, Sky TV, and all that jazz was added much, much later. The 360 was a games console that became a media hub - if you wanted it to be. Surely the Xbox One could be the same thing? If you want it to be a media hub, use it as a media hub. If you want it to be a games console, use it for that. If you want both, do both.

The only thing I can see that cost money, was the NFL deal, which will cost Microsoft 400 million over 5 years. They'll make that back through subscriptions and the like, rather than building it in to the price of the hardware.

Also, this is far from a final list, as we know. There are a LOT of games to come at E3. I don't see how anyone can pass judgement until then. Microsoft can spend their entire time at E3 talking about games. Sony has to put time aside to show us the console and demo the UI before it can even get started. Then again, there's no time limit on these shows, so we could be in for a pair of 3 hour waffle-fests!

@Gamer83 When they announce Halo 5 and 6, I'll add it to the list. Too Human was presented as a trilogy, after all!

@Sony_70 To be fair, their doing it mainly for the hardcore FIFA 360 crowd who'll buy it in September, and then again on Xbox One

@Sony_70 Oh, I don't know. I really enjoyed the two Criterion-developed Need For Speed games. Just good arcade-style fun, as opposed to the sim-ness of Forza.

Need for Speed Rivals is already there, but I missed Quantum Break. Oops!

@Slapshot Yeah, those blackout areas were killing me when my beloved Maple Leafs were still in the playoffs. Ended up getting around them with Unblock Us. Fantasy NHL Hockey via the Xbox One? Sold. Day One. Done.

@Trikeboy I can't see that the Wii U is in the best position myself, unfortunately. I almost want it to be, given that mine has barely been switched on since Christmas. Wii U has some HUGE games coming for it, but when it comes to the holiday season, I think Sony and Microsoft will launch right in the middle of the present-buying period, and the Wii U will end up being swallowed up in the wake. I hope Nintendo finds some defence.

@FullbringIchigo It IS a little creepy - you're not wrong. However, I'm sure that functionality is optional. After all, our cellphones have the ability to tell the phone company where we are with ridiculous precision at every minute of every day - and those who find that invasive can turn that off. It'll be available while the console is in "sleep" mode, and Microsoft will undoubtedly give you the opportunity to turn sleep mode off altogether if you'd like. I hope.

@Slapshot No offence taken, my friend. It's all good.

I would have preferred to have seen the games first too. I think everyone would have. A big old presentation at E3 would have done the job. The problems that are afoot have Mr. Harrison's pawprints all over them, unfortunately.

@Trikeboy I know what you're saying, but I'm finding it hard to be excited by ANY of the platform holders at this point. Nintendo have a lot of work to do to make me want to boot up my Wii U again. Sony need to show me a console. Microsoft need to show me some games.

To be fair though, a lot of people looked at FIFA 14 with exclusive features, and said "I NEED THAT!!" A good percentage of the millions of CoD fans looked at Call of Duty - which didn't interest me at all - and said "I NEED THAT!!" The Forza community saw Forza 5 and nearly passed out with happiness. As a fantasy sports player, I looked at the NFL stuff and said "I NEED THAT, BUT FOR HOCKEY!!" - Everyone wants different things. If Nintendo released Smash Bros. tomorrow for Wii U, I wouldn't care. I'm not a fan of the game, but you (I'm assuming, here) would be as happy as can be.

As Slapshot says, when the consoles hit the shelves, all of these issues will have been forgotten about - I hope!

@Slapshot I think "fanboy rant" is massively unfair, Slapshot, if I'm honest with you. Massively unfair.

I agree with your comment about games. I just also commented on the legions of people who are saying "It's all about TV. There are no games. Sony wins!" - simply because nobody else seems to be doing so. Major news organisations are reporting that gamers are up in arms because of a lack of games for the new system, as if nothing is coming and nothing will be shown at E3. Microsoft said the majority of games would be shown at E3 when they announced the reveal show. The said it AT the reveal show. They've said it multiple times since.

But all we get is "FIFA? CALL OF DUTY? Duuuuuuuur. That's all? Durrrrr. HAR HAR it's all about TV." from legions of people. Legions of people who will - eventually - affect the purchasing decisions of others.

Why WOULDN'T I speak out about that?

With regards to preowned, I say: "This isn’t something I’m particularly happy about but there’s nothing to be done about it" and then give the reasons for why I think that Microsoft isn't necessarily going to be the only platform holder to do it. I'm not spinning anything. It sucks. But I can also see why it's happening in an industry that is constantly complaining about being in decline.

I also say I'll be purchasing a PS4, and that neither console should be judged yet.

What's fanboyish about that?

@HeatBombastic I think it'll be a lot bigger than some suspect, but maybe not a killer app.

I think this looks cool, if I'm honest. The Wii U chat thing was horrendous when I tried it here, and Skype on my PC means I have to shuffle my laptop to be in front of me instead of to the side (I have a bigger work screen, which my laptop plugs into, which doesn't have a camera) - so this will be real handy.

@Gamer83 That's the feeling I'm getting, to be honest. The Xbox One and PS4 both show a lot of promise, and they've just been slated ever since they were revealed. A lot of people seem to be forgetting that we've barely seen any games from either console.

The industry is changing, and a lot of people don't like it - even though it means that they'll still get to play the same amazing games that they always could.

@Tasuki It does, unfortunately, yeah.

Good work Sony_70, but there are no winners today. We'll roll the prizes over to a Twitter giveaway tomorrow.

As always, ladies and gentlemen, watch the language in the comments, please. This is a family site.

@Ryno Sounders fan signing in here, too.

@DarkNinja9 Not here, I'm afraid. You can stream it via Xbox.com, or via Xbox Live.

@HeatBombastic Our cards are all the same here at pX.

@Sony_70 That's not a picture. That's a REMBRANDT. Beautifully done.

@HeatBombastic Thanks for visiting! We're relatively new compared to NintendoLife, so we don't have as many commenters (yet!)

@DarkNinja9 The full stream will be available on-demand from Xbox.com and Xbox Live 1 hour after the show has finished, I'm told.

@antdickens It just kinda...came to me, y'know?

Yeah, I think this is a good idea, too. It doesn't really make a difference to me if I'm honest, but a lot of people will appreciate the points system being given the boot, I think.

@VincentV I think it's just a difference of opinion to be fair. I used WIndows 7 for a year or so before Windows 8, and I don't have a touchscreen. I can see why some would find it cumbersome though, I have to say - I think I just forced myself to get used to it as I kind of had to

@VincentV I haven't had a problem with it, if I'm honest. My main PC is running it and I found that once I got used to it, I can do things a heck of a lot quicker than I used to

@szchifo I'm going to stick my neck out, and say "What's wrong with Windows 8?" Mainly because I installed it on day one and I've not had a single problem with it. First O/S I've had that hasn't crashed once!

@szchifo Well, he was too busy hanging out at tennis tournaments, golf tournaments....any tournaments that would get him on TV, really...to play rock and roll.

I actually like the name Xbox Infinity, if I'm honest. If it ends up being real, I have a feeling British Telecom will have something to say about it, given that they're the biggest broadband provider in the UK, and their high-speed fibre broadband product is called (and trademarked as) BT Infinity....but there you go

@XD375 Story duly updated, many thanks.

@Banjogeek I'm not sure, to be honest. I guess there are still folks out there who are scared to use Microsoft Points or enter their credit card details. Also, I know at least one grandparent who is planning on buying it for their grandson. I guess giving an actual game as opposed to a points card feels more personal, somehow?

@SigourneyBeaver Well, it would be cool if it did something other than just straight-out FPS play...I'd go for a bit of stealth CoD

@Majin-Naruto True, true - I forgot about that, to be honest!

@Majin-Naruto This is very true - I'm waiting to see what editing functionality each of the consoles will provide, though. With this, you can cut your footage and then edit it however you wish - add titles, bumpers, etc. - before uploading it. I'd imagine that the PS4/720 will just provide a straight upload.

Would be nice if they provided more than that, though!

@GEEKYMICK Yes, I think we'll see the console itself. Historically, it appears to be more important to Microsoft than it is to Sony, to show people what they're getting.

Pre-orders will be down to the retailers. Stores in the UK are taking PS4 pre-orders without a final release date being known, so it's totally up to them.

I'd be surprised if you couldn't talk to your 360-owning friends on your new Xbox, but we'll wait and see.

@hydeks As I mention in the article, there are some definite slight differences. Only slight, mind...

@GEEKYMICK To be fair, Telltale's other games are generally very, VERY good. This is a rare missed step.

@Majin-Naruto Yup, then Nordic Games paid a bunch of money for them and now uses JoWooD as a label rather than a separate entitiy. The quality of the games has not gone up, though.

@VincentV Yep! It never seems to drop far from the top ten.

@Red_Kinetic It is a next-generation console, yes, but its already for sale. If it was coming to Wii U, they'd say it was coming to Wii U. They're only saying "next-generation platforms" to cover up the details of the unnanounced Xbox 720/Durango/Whatever They Call It.

@Red_Kinetic Only announced for 360, PS3, PC, and "Next-generation platforms" - so I doubt it.

@Kaeobais We'll have a review coming up on Monday.

@antdickens Agreed - what they could do from Most Wanted is very limited, but I just think that their obvious talent for racing games could be utilised in another way, somehow. A racing title somehow tied into e-sports might be a good play right now, or even an entirely new subgenre of racing.

Still, I can't wait to see what they come up with next.

@Majin-Naruto I guess so! Although saying that, I think I only failed to connect for about 30 minutes. A lot of folks were off for 6 hours.

@Sony_70 Yeah, he refused to patch it based on the cost - and made it very clear that was the case.

I would be VERY happy with a Skies of Arcadia HD re-release, too. Loved that game.

@Tasuki Good point about the headline. It was 3am, so I was half-asleep. Changed.

Yeah, I like this idea if I'm honest. If they make it so the two devices "stack" together like the old Mega/Sega CD, then I'm sold!

@Sony_70 There's certainly plenty to it! We'll have a full review tomorrow.

I think I'm right in saying that the nominations closed before they were released, but I'm not sure.

@Tasuki "Sounds kinda of funny but I think Nintendo may have win this Gen here." - A bold statement indeed. I'll be honest and say that they'll win the handheld side of things (barely, given how mobiles are doing), but I would think that they'll end up very much in third place in terms of home console sales. They can't even sell Wii U's unapposed at the moment :/